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Khilari

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And it's not complete rubbish, for once!

Tottenham's tactics too cautious to win title, says Robbie Savage

Link: BBC Sport

In his regular BBC Sport column on football tactics, Robbie Savage looks at Tottenham's goalless daw at Everton.

Some people might argue that this was a good result for Spurs: they moved level on points with second-placed Chelsea after keeping a clean sheet and drawing away from home, against another team that is in touch with them near the top of the table.

But, if they are serious about winning the title, then Tottenham have got to win these sort of tight games.

With their team selection and tactics against the Toffees, they did not try hard enough to do that.

Spurs have conceded just five goals in 10 league games this season, but they have only scored nine themselves. Being so tight at the back will only take them so far - and it is their lack of goal-threat that will hold them back.

Clean sheets come at the cost of creativity
Looking at the team sheet before kick-off, it appeared Spurs boss Andre Villas-Boas had set up his side in his usual way - a 4-2-3-1 with two holding midfielders and three players trying to support the lone striker, Roberto Soldado.

But in the first half, Tottenham's formation was actually more like a 4-1-4-1, with only Sandro holding and Paulinho, who usually operates alongside him, getting into more advanced positions.

Their full-backs, particularly Jan Vertonghen on the left, were getting forward too, along with Aaron Lennon and Andros Townsend, who joined Paulinho and Lewis Holtby behind Soldado.

Everton were on the back foot and could not impose themselves on the game - before the break, Spurs had 58.3% of the possession.

This was not a cavalier approach from Villas-Boas, however. Far from it.

Even though Tottenham were seeing more of the ball, getting more men forward and playing the game in Everton's half to force the home side back, they struggled to create any clear-cut chances.

Villas-Boas picked Holtby instead of Sigurdsson in that attacking midfield trio because of his defensive qualities - he is much more of a "ratter" when it comes to chasing the ball.

Holtby was hassling Leighton Baines and the other Everton defenders and stopping them from building anything from the back. That was Villas-Boas's main aim.

From that point of view, his tactics worked - again. Everton improved after the break and had more possession (52% to 48%) by the end but they created little and Spurs have now conceded only one goal in five away league games.

But that comes at a cost. Tottenham have only scored four times in those five matches, which can at least partly be put down to the way they are set up.

Soldado feeding on scraps as Spurs striker
It is no wonder Soldado has got only one goal from open play in the Premier League this season.

Seven out of their 10 efforts on goal before half-time came from outside the area and their clearest sight of goal was a Soldado header from an Aaron Lennon cross, which flew a long way wide.

Opening Everton up was never Villas-Boas's intention, however. You can tell that because he started with his most creative players - Christian Eriksen and Gylfi Sigurdsson - on the bench.

I felt sorry for the Spanish striker on Sunday because he got such poor service.

Tottenham have managed more dribbles than any other team in the league this season (150) and their wide men saw plenty of the ball at Goodison Park.

That did not help Soldado much, because Townsend and Lennon kept cutting inside to shoot rather than trying to cross. At times he looked isolated, waiting in the middle for a ball that never came.

At Valencia last season, he also played on his own up front so he can operate as a lone striker - and he scored 24 goals in 35 La Liga games.

But all of those goals came from inside the box and only four were headers. More often than not they came from low crosses or pull-backs from the bye-line, and Tottenham are just not creating those kind of chances for him.

Apart from that header he missed against Everton, Soldado only touched the ball on one other occasion in the Toffees area, and his only other effort on goal saw him blast over from the edge of the box.

Despite Tottenham's territorial advantage in the first half, he touched the ball fewer times (17) than any of their outfield players.

And he finished the game with fewer touches (36) than any of the 14 outfield players from either team to play the entire 90 minutes.

That in itself is not an issue - Soldado only made an average of 30.9 touches in each of his 35 La Liga games last season.

What is a problem for Villas-Boas is whether he is getting the best out of his £26m striker when he does touch the ball.

After 10 games, we know Soldado can take a good penalty - he has scored three of them - but it is very difficult to judge him otherwise because of how little Spurs are creating for him.

Spurs have made solid start - but need more goals
Ten games in, Tottenham are level on points with the team in second place in the table. Defensively, they are very effective, and they are also very good at keeping the ball.

Only Southampton (four) have conceded fewer goals than Tottenham (five), and only Manchester City have faced fewer shots (91 to Spurs' 95) or had more possession on average in each game (60.4% to 58.65%)

They have a fantastic keeper in Hugo Lloris, who patrols the edge of his box and helps their centre-backs keep a high line. In front of them, Sandro is very efficient at shutting the ball down quickly.

It is further forward where their problems lie. They have had more shots (133) than any other team, but have the lowest goals-to-shot ratio in the top flight, just 6.77%.

Is that Soldado's fault? No. The people who have been calling for Jermain Defoe to be recalled up front in place of him are missing the point.

What Spurs need to do is create more good chances for whoever their striker is. To do that, they need Eriksen in their team.

Tottenham do have creative players to match their rivals. But they do not use them in the same way their rivals do.
 

Khilari

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I think he makes a fair point, but I'm not sure simply clamouring for Eriksen based on only a handful of quality performances is reasonable.
 

Ghost Hardware

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I think he makes a fair point, but I'm not sure simply clamouring for Eriksen based on only a handful of quality performances is reasonable.
Agreed, I think he makes some very relevant points about the way we set up and the way we play but I think the issue with our toothless attack is not so simple as putting Eriksen in for Holtby.
 

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He is not wrong but everyone on the planet can see this. The thing is I don't think AVB will change much. I said often at the start of last season that AVB is a defence minded coach which we saw from his repeated substitutions of defenders for attacking players as soon as we got a goal ahead in games. I think this season I would settle for that as it would mean we at least score a goal a game, which we are not. So far we have played three games against top seven clubs and got two points out of nine. Don't expect much to change in the near future. If players can stay positive then hopefully we will get better as they find ways to overcome his tactically inexperience
 

jezz

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Well done Robbie.
usually i think you a twat without a brain.
But you have hit the nail on the head.
The front 3 AM are not creating anything.
MOTD 2 hartson banging on about Defoe, should be playing.
Yeah try watching some games he has played in the league and then say hes better.
 

CowInAComa

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If we go behind in a game we've as good as lost. That's why we wont challenge for anything (though we have the squad to)
 

ethanedwards

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He is not wrong but everyone on the planet can see this. The thing is I don't think AVB will change much. I said often at the start of last season that AVB is a defence minded coach which we saw from his repeated substitutions of defenders for attacking players as soon as we got a goal ahead in games. I think this season I would settle for that as it would mean we at least score a goal a game, which we are not. So far we have played three games against top seven clubs and got two points out of nine. Don't expect much to change in the near future. If players can stay positive then hopefully we will get better as they find ways to overcome his tactically inexperience
Is AVB George Graham mk2 ?
 

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And it's not complete rubbish, for once!

Tottenham's tactics too cautious to win title, says Robbie Savage

Link: BBC Sport

In his regular BBC Sport column on football tactics, Robbie Savage looks at Tottenham's goalless daw at Everton.

Some people might argue that this was a good result for Spurs: they moved level on points with second-placed Chelsea after keeping a clean sheet and drawing away from home, against another team that is in touch with them near the top of the table.

But, if they are serious about winning the title, then Tottenham have got to win these sort of tight games.

With their team selection and tactics against the Toffees, they did not try hard enough to do that.

Spurs have conceded just five goals in 10 league games this season, but they have only scored nine themselves. Being so tight at the back will only take them so far - and it is their lack of goal-threat that will hold them back.

Clean sheets come at the cost of creativity
Looking at the team sheet before kick-off, it appeared Spurs boss Andre Villas-Boas had set up his side in his usual way - a 4-2-3-1 with two holding midfielders and three players trying to support the lone striker, Roberto Soldado.

But in the first half, Tottenham's formation was actually more like a 4-1-4-1, with only Sandro holding and Paulinho, who usually operates alongside him, getting into more advanced positions.

Their full-backs, particularly Jan Vertonghen on the left, were getting forward too, along with Aaron Lennon and Andros Townsend, who joined Paulinho and Lewis Holtby behind Soldado.

Everton were on the back foot and could not impose themselves on the game - before the break, Spurs had 58.3% of the possession.

This was not a cavalier approach from Villas-Boas, however. Far from it.

Even though Tottenham were seeing more of the ball, getting more men forward and playing the game in Everton's half to force the home side back, they struggled to create any clear-cut chances.

Villas-Boas picked Holtby instead of Sigurdsson in that attacking midfield trio because of his defensive qualities - he is much more of a "ratter" when it comes to chasing the ball.

Holtby was hassling Leighton Baines and the other Everton defenders and stopping them from building anything from the back. That was Villas-Boas's main aim.

From that point of view, his tactics worked - again. Everton improved after the break and had more possession (52% to 48%) by the end but they created little and Spurs have now conceded only one goal in five away league games.

But that comes at a cost. Tottenham have only scored four times in those five matches, which can at least partly be put down to the way they are set up.

Soldado feeding on scraps as Spurs striker
It is no wonder Soldado has got only one goal from open play in the Premier League this season.

Seven out of their 10 efforts on goal before half-time came from outside the area and their clearest sight of goal was a Soldado header from an Aaron Lennon cross, which flew a long way wide.

Opening Everton up was never Villas-Boas's intention, however. You can tell that because he started with his most creative players - Christian Eriksen and Gylfi Sigurdsson - on the bench.

I felt sorry for the Spanish striker on Sunday because he got such poor service.

Tottenham have managed more dribbles than any other team in the league this season (150) and their wide men saw plenty of the ball at Goodison Park.

That did not help Soldado much, because Townsend and Lennon kept cutting inside to shoot rather than trying to cross. At times he looked isolated, waiting in the middle for a ball that never came.

At Valencia last season, he also played on his own up front so he can operate as a lone striker - and he scored 24 goals in 35 La Liga games.

But all of those goals came from inside the box and only four were headers. More often than not they came from low crosses or pull-backs from the bye-line, and Tottenham are just not creating those kind of chances for him.

Apart from that header he missed against Everton, Soldado only touched the ball on one other occasion in the Toffees area, and his only other effort on goal saw him blast over from the edge of the box.

Despite Tottenham's territorial advantage in the first half, he touched the ball fewer times (17) than any of their outfield players.

And he finished the game with fewer touches (36) than any of the 14 outfield players from either team to play the entire 90 minutes.

That in itself is not an issue - Soldado only made an average of 30.9 touches in each of his 35 La Liga games last season.

What is a problem for Villas-Boas is whether he is getting the best out of his £26m striker when he does touch the ball.

After 10 games, we know Soldado can take a good penalty - he has scored three of them - but it is very difficult to judge him otherwise because of how little Spurs are creating for him.

Spurs have made solid start - but need more goals
Ten games in, Tottenham are level on points with the team in second place in the table. Defensively, they are very effective, and they are also very good at keeping the ball.

Only Southampton (four) have conceded fewer goals than Tottenham (five), and only Manchester City have faced fewer shots (91 to Spurs' 95) or had more possession on average in each game (60.4% to 58.65%)

They have a fantastic keeper in Hugo Lloris, who patrols the edge of his box and helps their centre-backs keep a high line. In front of them, Sandro is very efficient at shutting the ball down quickly.

It is further forward where their problems lie. They have had more shots (133) than any other team, but have the lowest goals-to-shot ratio in the top flight, just 6.77%.

Is that Soldado's fault? No. The people who have been calling for Jermain Defoe to be recalled up front in place of him are missing the point.

What Spurs need to do is create more good chances for whoever their striker is. To do that, they need Eriksen in their team.

Tottenham do have creative players to match their rivals. But they do not use them in the same way their rivals do.


Please don't ever post anything that fucktard says on here. I am trying very hard to expunge his existence from my consciousness, and shit like this doesn't help.
 

lillywhites61

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Very valid comments, most of which we already know but it seems others need educating, such as all those pundits like Dean Saunders continuously asking for JD to come in! It's not the fault of the striker if he doesn't get the service.
 

dontcallme

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Saying we are not creative enough to win the league is fair enough if not obvious point.

But I don't think his solutions are the right ones.

Soldado has not had better service when Eriksen or Siggy have played.

The biggest change we could make to create more is playing Paulinho in a more advanced role. Holtby, Townsend, Siggy and Eriksen all love a long range shot but Paulinho is the one with the intelligence of movement to get in the box and score regularly.

We are not going to get this team to gel quickly enough for a title challenge this season regardless of the starting lineup.
 

HotspurFC1950

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Savage some fair points excepting our aim is top four not the title.

Citeh have scored 19 goals more but are a point behind.

Rather have that point than 19 more goals personally.
 

dontcallme

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1.After ten premier league fixtures
Tottenham have averaged exactly 2
points per game, take a look at the final
table from last season and you will
realise that only the Manchester clubs
achieved that feat over the course of
the thirty-eight game season. AVB is on
an upward spiral in relation to average
points per game and even allowing for a
poor return of goals so far the reality is
that if they maintain that average then
they will almost certainly guarantee
themselves Champions League football
at the very least.
2.It took until the 25/11 and fixture
thirteen before Tottenham hit 20 points
last season and so they are already well
ahead of the game. With a three game
cushion still to play who knows yet how
far they can go, it is certainly not the
time to doubt the coach and players,
let’s face it it’s not as if Tottenham
have won too many trophies in the last
twenty years, there is no great recent
history which the supporters are
comparing this squad to
3.Tottenham have played seventeen
games so far this season and have lost
just the two fixtures, a difficult away
game early in the season to the league
leaders and a home defeat to West
Ham who were in reality fortunate to
get the breaks and the first couple of
goals to set them on their way. Only
Southampton with one defeat and
Everton with the same two defeats have
a comparable record but have played
six games less. The leaders Arsenal have
lost three in cups and the league as
have Chelsea, Liverpool and United
while City have already lost four.
4.When you consider that AVB has had
to contend with the loss of two world
class talents in the two summer
transfer windows he has been in charge
it is a minor miracle that he has still
managed to achieve a record points
haul for the club, he has clearly done
remarkably well, the fact that he is on
course to do so again after integrating
what amounts to fourteen new players
into the squad in little over a year
warrants every Tottenham supporters
unquestioned support.
5.There have been many instances of
teams winning titles and trophies built
on the back of a rock solid defence,
Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are
testament to that. We all know that
Tottenham are renowned as a club that
plays with flair and style but we don’t
need reminding that since 1961 that has
been limited to cup wins and at a
decreasing rate. The teams that usually
succeed more often than not do so with
a strong defence and now we have one
of the best, 17 games played and only
four teams have breached the defence
is testament to a good team, the fact
that in almost every game Tottenham
have also easily been the more
offensive team, that combination is
generally associated with a very good
team.
6.Just this week Steve Bruce and
Roberto Martinez have suggested that
Tottenham are genuine title contenders,
before them Mourinho, Houghton and
most other opposition managers have
said the same, nothing so far suggests
that they are wrong, performances have
all been tremendous with the one
exception being too few goals scored
and that was ultimately the reason for
the W.Ham defeat. I firmly believe that
even that issue will be addressed and
soon, there is far too much quality
within the squad for it to be more than
a matter of work on the training ground.

You really need to space long posts out a bit.
 

CowInAComa

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Most sides with a negative mindset compensate to a degree with their set piece proficiency.

If our aim every game is to maintain our goals against record we should set some time aside each week to practice free kicks and long throws. We clearly havent started practicing them at all yet, whilst we are continuing and concentrating on our 'building from the back'

just 10-15mins a day would be a start. If we could score from a set piece once in while we could have 11-12 goals by now.
 

Flashspur

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i dont think the club is targeting the title right now....its more top 4 'steady as she goes'

what i believe will happen is that if we are still top 4 by December then you will see a push but for now it good solid progress first....fireworks later
 

CowInAComa

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i dont think the club is targeting the title right now....its more top 4 'steady as she goes'

what i believe will happen is that if we are still top 4 by December then you will see a push but for now it good solid progress first....fireworks later

Its that sort of attitude that stops us ever being contenders. If we stopped concentrating on arsenal and 4th last couple of seasons and looked upwards we would have ultimately done better.. our ambitions are always set so low and consequently our inferior 'not worthy' mindset kicks in when push comes to show.

see how it goes by xmas then maybe have a push. pretty certain thats not the attitude of any of the other clubs in the top 4 currently.

inferiority complex.
 

Legend10

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Most sides with a negative mindset compensate to a degree with their set piece proficiency.

If our aim every game is to maintain our goals against record we should set some time aside each week to practice free kicks and long throws. We clearly havent started practicing them at all yet, whilst we are continuing and concentrating on our 'building from the back'

just 10-15mins a day would be a start. If we could score from a set piece once in while we could have 11-12 goals by now.


Seriously how do you know what goes on in training?
 
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