[Update 24] Madrid Spur on the Papers and RVN

[sunnydelight786]

Ok, he was a success as a number 2 keeper.

 

[Coyboy]

Whether he was successful or not, he was an experienced keeper brought into back up Gomes (I seem to remember Ramos not having massive confidence to bring him on when Gomes got hurt at Stoke) and GDS signed for the future- my point being Ramos being our manager hardly pre-empted an influx of Spanish based players. This isn't the place for GDS debate and debating Cesar is pretty futile, just that the fact that we had a Spanish manager didn't automatically mean we signed a lot of Spanish based players just as the fact we have an English manager doesn't in itself prevent it.

 

[spurs_viola]

How many players were signed under Ramos from La Liga- the not so successful Cesar and Dos Santos. He hardly brought a huge number of disciples.

I know you will never believe this because it does not conform to your entrenched views, but I believe Ramos did want players like Milito, Albelda, Capel from La Liga. Capel may not have wanted to leave Sevilla, but with the other targets Ramos simply was not supported as much as Redknapp has been.

Something went badly wrong at the board level which led to disastrous summer transfer window in 2008, and Ramos may well have been part of that. I just don't believe he would not have wanted more La Liga based players whom he knew he could rely on.
I think Levy was still too wrapped up in his "buy younger English talent now - sell with big profit later" policy, and did not want to sanction pursuing players like Milito then.

 

[Coyboy]

You have not source for that so it's just conjecture. Maybe he did maybe he didn't. You don't know he was not supported at all. My point being maybe Ramos didn't want a huge influx of Spanish based players as you suggest because it's a different league and style of football. Maybe he did, and they didn't want to come. I don't think Sevilla would sell us Capel anyhow.

In reference to this ITK, I don't think the nationality of the manager makes a massive difference whomever we go after- if the move and the money is right, they will more likely come than who the manager is. He plays a part of course but his nationality and previous experience doesn't not confirm or prevent us from signing player x from Spain or wherever.

The idea that we lost our chance to sign La Liga players once Ramos left is fiction because he didn't sign many such players anyway and there is nothing to suggest Redknapp will not or cannot sign such players if they are right.

 

[DiscoD1882]

I know you will never believe this because it does not conform to your entrenched views, but I believe Ramos did want players like Milito, Albelda, Capel from La Liga. Capel may not have wanted to leave Sevilla, but with the other targets Ramos simply was not supported as much as Redknapp has been.

Something went badly wrong at the board level which led to disastrous summer transfer window in 2008, and Ramos may well have been part of that. I just don't believe he would not have wanted more La Liga based players whom he knew he could rely on.
I think Levy was still too wrapped up in his "buy younger English talent now - sell with big profit later" policy, and did not want to sanction pursuing players like Milito then.

What was the point in destabilising the club by going behind the current manager back to get another manager in and then not supporting him?? Your argument makes no sense at all.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I know you will never believe this because it does not conform to your entrenched views, but I believe Ramos did want players like Milito, Albelda, Capel from La Liga. Capel may not have wanted to leave Sevilla, but with the other targets Ramos simply was not supported as much as Redknapp has been.

Something went badly wrong at the board level which led to disastrous summer transfer window in 2008, and Ramos may well have been part of that. I just don't believe he would not have wanted more La Liga based players whom he knew he could rely on.
I think Levy was still too wrapped up in his "buy younger English talent now - sell with big profit later" policy, and did not want to sanction pursuing players like Milito then.

So using that profound 'logic' what you are saying is that Juande had a meeting with Levy and said something along the lines of to get into the top 4 we will need some reinforcements, I would like you to look at Albelda, Milito and Capel please Mr Chairman. Levy's reponse was "listen here Wendy, even though I paid loads of money to bring you here as the coach due to your successful stint with Sevilla, and you have delivered me our first trophy for god knows how many years, I refuse to back you on any transfer targets that you might have, and not only that I am going to sell your 2 best strikers and replace them with a Russian striker who might not be very good and a young English striker called Campbell who would probably struggle in League 1. Make do with that."

After the disastrous start and the sacking of Ramos, Harry then came in and in the January window went back to the Levy and said "Big Dan, I want you to bend over and re-sign two players that you sold in the last year, just to make you look stupid for doing it in the first place, plus I also want you to give me circa £14m for Palacios who was signed less than 2 years ago for 500k." To which Levy responded something like "Yes H, I know you have only won 1 FA Cup in your 25 year management career but I will back you in every decision that you make."

What a load of nonsense. Definitely no hint of an agenda there.

 

[spurs_viola]

What was the point in destabilising the club by going behind the current manager back to get another manager in and then not supporting him?? Your argument makes no sense at all.

Totally agree, it doesn't make much sense to go to such lengths to get a Head Coach and then let him down so badly in the summer.
Because having got over 50 mil and not replacing the team's front two, who were two of the most important players and leaving the Head Coach with a forward who was far from best in the league plus a reserve youngster from Man U on loan definitely did not make any sense at all.
The panic buy of a player who did not speak any English, never played outside Russia and did not really want to come, who was injured and could not start until mid September was not much help at all.

So if you believe that Ramos was fully supported by the board, then there is nothing else I can say to make any sense for you.

 

[chrissivad]

going way off the topic of talking about the ITK now guys

 

[spursandbarca]

i wasnt the onw who posted madrid being in for him. all i said is there is no chance of him joining madrid

 

[pistolP]

cesc will be a barca player in June.


Rosell

Ferrer

Godall

all 3 will pledge his signing in their manifesto. Fabregas's father already said this to el mundo deportivo.

i cannot see a catalan playing for Madrid. If he was available in January Laporta would break the bank to sign him. It would look awful for Godall or Ferrer(Laportas candidates) if Madrid signed someone that Laporta has pledged to sign.

I hope, Barca signs Fabregas and David Villa and get ride of Henry.

 

[pistolP]

Since it was posted as SC ITK, perhaps? Bit harsh there I think ever. I for one thinks Van the man's still got it, but where does that leave Keano? Still think Keano and Defoe where great together at the start of the season but seems once again they cant be in the same team and this time Keano's the odd man out...

Van the man anytime over Robbie Keane.