Vincent Janssen

[Darth Vega]

While we're all throwing up suggestions for alternatives to Janssen, or not as the case may be, may I make a case for our youth system?

I'd be happy if Janssen got another shot, but at the same time, I wouldn't mind us looking toward our youth system and giving players like Harrison or Sterling a chance, assuming Janssen doesn't show any signs of improvement this season.

I appreciate that they're raw, unproven and may not be ready, but I think it's our best chance of finding a striker who is competent, knows how to play the way we want, is within our budget - free in this case - and would be happy to sit on the bench for the biggest and most important games.

In Harrison's case, he already had a brief appearance against Liverpool in the league cup last season, and I think he's been on the bench a few times already, so he's clearly not a million miles away from the first team squad.

Not to mention, it'd be great to have another young player break through; the more the merrier.

 

[Ossie85]

Here is a list of some of the criteria one would have to go by to find somebody "better".
Initial cost: Under 20M
Age: 23 or under
In the contention for his national team: Yes
Proven on a senior level: Yes
Represents a possible attitude problem: No

Janssen is one of the top strikers in the PL in his age bracket. Very few players (eg. Rashford) are as young/younger and better.

Janssen is not a top striker in any age bracket

 

[goughie1966]

Here is a list of some of the criteria one would have to go by to find somebody "better".
Initial cost: Under 20M
Age: 23 or under
In the contention for his national team: Yes
Proven on a senior level: Yes
Represents a possible attitude problem: No

Janssen is one of the top strikers in the PL in his age bracket. Very few players (eg. Rashford) are as young/younger and better.

I can't think of any players to match that criteria, what about old ones? All of these are over 30...

Llorente
Robben
Tevez
Berbatov
Defoe
David Villa
Lavezzi
Dzeko
Mertens

 

[pffft]

I'm glad to know that you can both read and relay statistics. Then surely, you would also know that this is better than a player who is older, has also played both in the highest and second highest division, and out of all those seasons on various levels still has only made 4-5 months of something close to decent. If I've said to you in December, let's pay 30M for King, you'd call me barking mad. He simply hasn't transformed into this must-have world beater. We've got what we need for striker position in the squad already. Let's see it through.

I haven't mentioned anything about Josh King. You said that Janssen had had several good seasons in Holland, and I merely gave you the stats to show you what they actually are.

Perhaps if you learnt to read statistics before calling people liars when they disagreed with you - when you're clearly wrong- then people wouldn't have to set you straight by relaying facts that you haven't bothered to check for yourself.

 

[goughie1966]

Janssen is not a top striker in any age bracket

Do you have any alternatives to Janssen?

 

[Shea]

While we're all throwing up suggestions for alternatives to Janssen, or not as the case may be, may I make a case for our youth system?

I'd be happy if Janssen got another shot, but at the same time, I wouldn't mind us looking toward our youth system and giving players like Harrison or Sterling a chance, assuming Janssen doesn't show any signs of improvement this season.

I appreciate that they're raw, unproven and may not be ready, but I think it's our best chance of finding a striker who is competent, knows how to play the way we want, is within our budget - free in this case - and would be happy to sit on the bench for the biggest and most important games.

In Harrison's case, he already had a brief appearance against Liverpool in the league cup last season, and I think he's been on the bench a few times already, so he's clearly not a million miles away from the first team squad.

Not to mention, it'd be great to have another young player break through; the more the merrier.

The last time we dropped a bollock in the striker transfer market with Soldado it afforded Kane the opportunity to break through and become the world star he is

I hope that Janssen does become a decent player but if he does fail to improve perhaps like Soldado his failure will result in a break through opportunity for one of our youngsters too

I don't know enough about of youth squad but from what little I've read of the youth threads in here our most promising talents appear to be central or creative midfielders rather than strikers per say so I'm not overly confident there's someone who can profit from Janssen failing to produce

 

[Shadydan]

Put the claws away lads

Not sure what the debate is...we don't need to tweak anything in terms of our forward options tbh, I personally think we have a decent balance up front with Kane, Jansen and Son being able to play as strikers although Jansen will need to improve obviously...I just don't see much point in replacing him at the moment I mean it's hardly an area that needs drastic improvements, let him get his head down and carry on working, the player and the club be much better for it.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I haven't mentioned anything about Josh King. You said that Janssen had had several good seasons in Holland, and I merely gave you the stats to show you what they actually are.

Perhaps if you learnt to read statistics before calling people liars when they disagreed with you - when you're clearly wrong- then people wouldn't have to set you straight by relaying facts that you haven't bothered to check for yourself.

He has had several good seasons "in Holland". You your self should know this having taken the time to post a summary of his various seasons. He has scored plenty of goals, over various seasons, on different levels, in Holland. That's the facts.

 

[Shea]

Put the claws away lads

Not sure what the debate is...we don't need to tweak anything in terms of our forward options tbh, I personally think we have a decent balance up front with Kane, Jansen and Son being able to play as strikers although Jansen will need to improve obviously...I don't see much point in replacing him at the moment I mean it's hardly an area that needs drastic improvements.

The only concern is what happens if Kane is out for any period of time

Last year when he was out early doors and Janssen had to cover we struggled to score and dropped a few points we shouldn't have

It's fair to say we have other goal scoring options in the team but ideally if we had a striker who could actually offer a goal threat in the absence of Kane we'd be a stronger squad

Hopefully Janssen can show improvement from last year and offer more as and when he's called upon, but I'm sure in the big wide world of football there are youth strikers that have greater potential than him we could bring in if Poch decides he's not likely to ever step up to the required level

 

[nailsy]

Consider the fact that we sold Kyle Walker to Man City for £50m because it is generally regarded we have enough cover in that position. Now compare that to Morata signing for Chelsea for just £60m despite the fact that they already have Michy Batshuayi as their main attacker. He is willing to come to the club and fight for the top striker role and cost a mere £10m more than the Walker sale. Are you seriously telling me that Janssen is 'the best of a bad lot' and we keep him in the squad simply because he's willing to warm his arse on the substitutes bench if Harry is available ??.
We are facing the most demanding season in a long, long, time with a new ground, serious title challenge and the CPL to look forward to. There just isn't room for passengers. It's not a question of liking or hating it's simple facts...we cannot afford to have the likes of Vincent or Sissoko in our squad because they provide absolutely nothing in the way of cover or that something extra when coming on as a substitute. There are many on here who say 'give him one more season' but what happens if he is still found wanting and doesn't suddenly emerge as the beautiful swan from the ugly duckling he is now ?. We will face yet another season keeping everything crossed that nothing serious happens to Harry and he continues his golden goal scoring vein. Then Vincent will be worth about £5m and let out on loan somewhere.
I spoke about Josh King who I firmly believe under the guidance of Poch and integration into the current first team squad could prove to be an absolute bargain. People quote his current scoring stats but that is where he is playing now and the class of players around him. Anybody remember a guy called Thierry Henri and his evolvement into a world class striker ??.
To say nobody wants to play second fiddle to Harry Kane is just not true...there are young strikers out there who would give their eye teeth to have an opportunity at Spurs to give Harry a run for his money and isn't that a good thing ?. There should be no automatic choices for a first team place...everyone should feel someone breathing down their necks just to give them that 'edge'.
My views may not be shared by all but we cannot keep adopting the doctrine "In Harry We Trust"....he needs support and competition for his place and Mr Janssen just isn't the guy to offer that (in my opinion). I believe totally in our managerial set up and the quality of our current squad except for this Achilles heel we have in the striker department.
Morata did not join Chelsea thinking he would just walk into the striker's role but he was willing to try for just £60m....was that really too much of a gamble for Spurs to make ??. When you say 'who else' and 'who would you pick' please do not insinuate we are in a one way street signposted "Janssen" and have no other possible options.

Morata knows he's going to be first choice at Chelsea. It's the second time that Conte has signed him and he already knows that Costa is on the way out. I did find this little quote from Morata which was quite interesting though....

"Various Premier League coaches called to tell me to play for them. I said yeah, I’d like to, that if I had to leave I would almost certainly go to London, but that I didn’t know what Madrid would do. I knew they’d bring me back, but I didn’t know if it was to keep me or sell me.

“I spoke directly to Mauricio Pochettino and Antonio Conte, although the norm is clubs call my dad or agent. Madrid said they didn’t want to sell. I remember talking to my dad then and him saying ‘This guy (Conte) is going to win the League there (in England).”

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

Basically you haven't got a clue. Thank fuck you're not in charge

Where's your suggestion then you offensive prick

 

[pffft]

He has had several good seasons "in Holland". You your self should know this having taken the time to post a summary of his various seasons. He has scored plenty of goals, over various seasons, on different levels, in Holland. That's the facts.

Two decent seasons in the Eerste and one excellent half season in the Eredivisie are the facts. If we can agree on that then we'll just have to accept that we have different interpretations of the phrase "several good seasons".

I actually agree with you that Janssen is worth persevering with because he has shown he can score goals at international level as well as in Holland, is still fairly young, and it has been proven over and over again that it can take a year or more for players to settle into the Prem.

Now if we're done arguing, I'll let you buy me a pint. I'm good like that.

 

[Ossie85]

Do you have any alternatives to Janssen?

I honestly prefer to give our academy players game time instead of him

I just can't rate him. I've been trying to hold on to something positive about him to be optimistic but I can't.
I keep reading stats, his goals, how he apparently improved last season, but I don't like what I see.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Where's your suggestion then you offensive prick

I think his suggestion is that finding an upgrade on Janssen as Kane's second fiddle is far tougher than people seem to realise.

 

[Sweech]

Nice to be able to rate someone's opinion....so let's see your choices of a Janssen replacement.

gilzeantheking
bc205
Sweech

who thought Josh King was 'funny' and Mister Jez who 'disagreed'

...or do you believe there just isn't one ?

I don't rate Josh King. I've stated it numerous times before.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

My choice would be Ben Brereton. 18 year old striker who plays for Forest.

Thats if we were looking to offload Jansen of course.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

My choice would be Ben Brereton. 18 year old striker who plays for Forest.

Thats if we were looking to offload Jansen of course.

Is he better than the teenage strikers already at the club?

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

Is he better than the teenage strikers already at the club?

I'd say so, he's a serious prospect already playing first team football.

 

[thebenjamin]

You're right of course. But very few posters can provide an alternative. @Krule has provided a good shout in Josh King, but that's all we have from the anti Janssen brigade. I can't think of alternatives either and I just don't think there's any out there

You don't think there's an attainable striker in the world better than Janssen?

 

[Ben1]

You don't think there's an attainable striker in the world better than Janssen?

This has been the whole crux of this thread for three pages..people claim there are loads of options, others ask for names, no one has come up with anything bar Josh King or chucking some kids in. Repeat.