Vincent Janssen

[yanno]

This has been the whole crux of this thread for three pages..people claim there are loads of options, others ask for names, no one has come up with anything bar Josh King or chucking some kids in. Repeat.

Anthony Martial - if Mourinho in his infinite stupidity decides to let him go.

 

[Ben1]

Anthony Martial - if Mourinho in his infinite stupidity decides to let him go.

Ideal, but attainable seems unlikely, considering he is apparently staying and no way we get him without dier moving.

 

[thebenjamin]

This has been the whole crux of this thread for three pages..people claim there are loads of options, others ask for names, no one has come up with anything bar Josh King or chucking some kids in. Repeat.

Well fortunately that isn't going to be the case for Mauricio Pochettino and professional football scouts who are paid a lot of money to have an encyclopedic knowledge of the world's footballers.

To put this another way - if we hadn't signed Janssen last season but he'd gone to say, West Bromwich, and had the exact same season he's just had for us - would people, having watched him play as he has for us, for West brom, be saying that's the player we should have as an alternative to Kane?

 

[Shadydan]

The only concern is what happens if Kane is out for any period of time

Last year when he was out early doors and Janssen had to cover we struggled to score and dropped a few points we shouldn't have

It's fair to say we have other goal scoring options in the team but ideally if we had a striker who could actually offer a goal threat in the absence of Kane we'd be a stronger squad

Hopefully Janssen can show improvement from last year and offer more as and when he's called upon, but I'm sure in the big wide world of football there are youth strikers that have greater potential than him we could bring in if Poch decides he's not likely to ever step up to the required level

Thing is that we struggled as an offensive unit in the early months and we weren't as creative as we could have been, we had players off form, when Kane was out in the 2nd spell around March we didn't miss him, I believe we won all our matches.

 

[gavspur]

I want him to work out, like I do all our players. I just think that he's the wrong kind of striker for our system. He can't run in behind defences, he's not actually great at holding it up, and he isn't getting in goal scoring positions.

He seems very much a head down sort of player, sometimes that works out, but more often that it doesn't. This team is based on movement and bringing others in to play. He just doesn't seem on the same wavelength. Unfortunately.

 

[Ben1]

Well fortunately that isn't going to be the case for Mauricio Pochettino and professional football scouts who are paid a lot of money to have an encyclopedic knowledge of the world's footballers.

To put this another way - if we hadn't signed Janssen last season but he'd gone to say, West Bromwich, and had the exact same season he's just had for us - would people, having watched him play as he has for us, for West brom, be saying that's the player we should have as an alternative to Kane?

I wasn't backing the view that there is no one, merely summing up the last 3 pages which have gone round in circles discussing it. I agree, id hope scouts could find someone, but they also came up with Janssen in the first place.

 

[Shea]

Thing is that we struggled as an offensive unit in the early months and we weren't as creative as we could have been, we had players off form, when Kane was out in the 2nd spell around March we didn't miss him, I believe we won all our matches.

Yes and hopefully if he is out again we will be able to cope, but unless he improves significantly we will be coping in-spite of Janssen rather than because of him and for that reason I still believe we'd ultimately have a stronger squad if we were able to sell and upgrade on him with a better prospect striker

 

[Shadydan]

Well fortunately that isn't going to be the case for Mauricio Pochettino and professional football scouts who are paid a lot of money to have an encyclopedic knowledge of the world's footballers.

To put this another way - if we hadn't signed Janssen last season but he'd gone to say, West Bromwich, and had the exact same season he's just had for us - would people, having watched him play as he has for us, for West brom, be saying that's the player we should have as an alternative to Kane?

No but that's not the point thought is it? Janssen is our player that we invested in last season for £18m, we can't just ditch him at the first sign of trouble, not only is it bad business and just creates more upheaval and uncertainty in the squad. There's no immediate requirement to ship him out as he's currently a 3rd choice striker and we also have Son who can come in and help score goals, I don't get the rush to replace him personally, people just need to chill out IMO.

 

[thebenjamin]

I wasn't backing the view that there is no one, merely summing up the last 3 pages which have gone round in circles discussing it. I agree, id hope scouts could find someone, but they also came up with Janssen in the first place.

That's true, but obviously we thought Batshuayi was in the bag after months of talks, and when that fell apart Janssen was the fall back option. Obviously he was a punt, having only played 1 season of Dutch first division football.

In reality i think Pochettino wants a striker who's able to play wide or deep as well, so you're not buying pure back up but someone who could force their way into the side alongside Kane. Janssen is never going to be anything other than backup.

Obviously there's Son but he doesn't look comfortable playing at 9 in the Premier league and he's so much better from deep.

 

[Shadydan]

Yes and hopefully if he is out again we will be able to cope, but unless he improves significantly we will be coping in-spite of Janssen rather than because of him and for that reason I still believe we'd ultimately have a stronger squad if we were able to sell and upgrade on him with a better prospect striker

That's the thing, we just gotta show some patience and with this manager's track record I'm willing to wait, we probably could upgrade but ultimately I think it's sticking it out and also there's no guarantees that another prospect will be any better than Janssen, as much as we may think there's a better player out there there must be a multitude of reasons that we aren't seeing as to why Poch prefers to stick rather than twist - verdict I'm pretty much willing to trust the manager on this one.

 

[thebenjamin]

No but that's not the point thought is it? Janssen is our player that we invested in last season for £18m, we can't just ditch him at the first sign of trouble, not only is it bad business and just creates more upheaval and uncertainty in the squad. There's no immediate requirement to ship him out as he's currently a 3rd choice striker and we also have Son who can come in and help score goals, I don't get the rush to replace him personally, people just need to chill out IMO.

I'm not saying ditch him . if they think he can improve, keep him. But that's a long term project because he isn't good enough right now.

We clearly need someone else as well. The drop from Kane to Janssen is way too big, hence why Pochettino even prefers Son up there instead. And son is wasted there and the team suffers from an inability to hold the ball up.

 

[Ben1]

The fact is Poch and the scouting set up saw something in Janssen 12 months ago. This summer to replace him, we'd be on the same mission, looking for a young striker that has performed in a lower league/team, that we can attract with our fees/wages AND is happy to play second fiddle. That field is potentially so small and includes the same element of risk that Janssen did. Therefore, I can understand why people want to stick with the man who now has a year of settling here, playing in the league, playing for poch, playing with spurs pressure under his belt. Especially when its incredibly difficult to achieve that for any new striker, especially with minimal football. Whether the quality is there with Janssen, it didn't seem it enough, but there were small glimpses.

 

[Shea]

That's the thing, we just gotta show some patience and with this manager's track record I'm willing to wait, we probably could upgrade but ultimately I think it's sticking it out and also there's no guarantees that another prospect will be any better than Janssen, as much as we may think there's a better player out there there must be a multitude of reasons that we aren't seeing as to why Poch prefers to stick rather than twist - verdict I'm pretty much willing to trust the manager on this one.

Yes, I've said many times that if Poch feels he's worth persisting with I will trust his judgement as he's obviously seen more of Janssen and knows a great deal more about football and football talent/potential than I do

I hope we don't just keep him because we can't get a decent price back for him though because I'd rather we moved any deadwood on and try to either promote youth or bring in better options

 

[Ben1]

Yes, I've said many times that if Poch feels he's worth persisting with I will trust his judgement as he's obviously seen more of Janssen and knows a great deal more about football and football talent/potential than I do

I hope we don't just keep him because we can't get a decent price back for him though because I'd rather we moved any deadwood on and try to either promote youth or bring in better options

it comes down to this, if poch wants him to stay and he does, good good...if poch wants him gone but doesn't happen in order to save money etc, big nope.

 

[Krule]

I don't rate Josh King. I've stated it numerous times before.

That's fine... but if Janssen did leave who would you have as his replacement ??

 

[Shadydan]

The fact is Poch and the scouting set up saw something in Janssen 12 months ago. This summer to replace him, we'd be on the same mission, looking for a young striker that has performed in a lower league/team, that we can attract with our fees/wages AND is happy to play second fiddle. That field is potentially so small and includes the same element of risk that Janssen did. Therefore, I can understand why people want to stick with the man who now has a year of settling here, playing in the league, playing for poch, playing with spurs pressure under his belt. Especially when its incredibly difficult to achieve that for any new striker, especially with minimal football. Whether the quality is there with Janssen, it didn't seem it enough, but there were small glimpses.

This is the thing for me, people want to rid of Janssen or push him further down the pecking order yet they want the very same scouts to go out and find a replacement, what happens if the replacement isn't up to par either, do we keep the conveyor belt going until we stumble upon a player who is able to hit the ground running?

 

[Snarfalicious]

I find Giovanni Simeone to be an interesting striker option. If he'd be anything near an "upgrade" on Janssen is a whole other question. Could also fit with the Northern Italy ITK (Genoa).

 

[Tyler24durden]

Still amazed that we didn't go for Solanke or Ramirez considering their cost, potential and wouldn't demand being 1st choice.

Solanke especially would have been perfect for us.

Janssen simply doesn't have quick enough feet, good enough control or vision.

He works hard but he needs to move on imho.

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Still amazed that we didn't go for Solanke or Ramirez considering their cost, potential and wouldn't demand being 1st choice.

Solanke especially would have been perfect for us.

Janssen simply doesn't have quick enough feet, good enough control or vision.

He works hard but he needs to move on imho.

His vision is fine, created a great chance yesterday and he did that during last season as well.

 

[Krule]

In my opinion when you intend to be a constant and serious title challenger with also the demands of CPL and domestic cup competitions ahead there is little room for carrying passengers. Sissoko, Janssen and N'Koudou are three players who have had little or no impact since joining the club. Sissoko is an absolute waste of both money and resources and will hopefully get shipped off to WBA...Janssen is still sitting in Poch's "Pending Projects" file but surely he has only a limited amount of time and opportunity left next season to prove he can score goals in Harry's absence. I can see Vincent going somewhere like Palace / Watford / Huddersfield and being relatively successful but he just doesn't adequately fill that gap for me when Kane is not there. I don't expect an avalanche of goals from him but being a constant threat to the defences and bagging a few would be nice. N'Koudou just isn't good enough for Spurs and never will be, plain and simple.
Maybe Poch is looking at this season as a transitional one not only regarding Wembley but also certain players....one thing is clear though, if Janssen does have one more year to prove his worth then he needs to show a bit more prowess in goal scoring or he most definitely will not be running out at the new stadium in 2018/19.
I don't hate the lad, as I said before, and I'll cheer him gladly and loudly when he does turn out hoping for the metamorphosis that others are expecting to actually occur. I would love him to prove myself and the other doubters wrong so let's see what has happened when we review the season on May 13th 2018 after the Leicester game. COYS !