Was the appointment of Ryan Mason racist?

[The Scarecrow]

I think it’s a valid, interesting question to raise; whether it’s true or not is another debate.

But I think we’re thoughtful enough to have that conversation?

Maybe not.

There's zero evidence to support Windy's claim. It's disrespectful towards Mason, Powell and the board.

 

[MassadaTom]

or anti Semitic even if you dare to suggest the same Jesus was sent to revive the hard hearted condition of the Jews!

you anti Semite gramma troglodyte you!

 

[Shadydan]

I think it’s a valid, interesting question to raise; whether it’s true or not is another debate.

But I think we’re thoughtful enough to have that conversation?

Maybe not.

Reckon the racism thread is better TBH Posts seem much more thought provoking and considered in there and in it just seems more sympathetic.

Racism is a such a touchy subject and linear at best, I don't think mixing the conversation it up with the Spurs manager job is the best place for it because people will have already made their minds up.

 

[Trix]

Catching up on various Podcasts and discovered Chris Miller (aka WinydCoys) using the forums of The Extra Inch and Fighting Cock podcasts to push the accusation that Ryan Mason being appointed Interim Head Coach over the more qualified and experienced Chris Powell was an act of "structural racism".


What do people think?

I think Windy is a prick!

 

[dontcallme]

Reckon the racism thread is better TBH Posts seem much more thought provoking and considered in there and in it just seems more sympathetic.

Racism is a such a touchy subject and linear at best, I don't think mixing the conversation it up with the Spurs manager job is the best place for it because people will have already made their minds up.

I feel the problem with the thread is that we are being asked to discuss the possibility of racism with very little basis. The resulting answer will be that it is not racist based on what we know.

But when discussing racism surely it is better to discuss actual racism. There's a growing amount of discussion pointing out that things aren't racist rather than looking at actual racism.

To me this is a step backwards.

 

[brasil_spur]

There's zero evidence to support Windy's claim. It's disrespectful towards Mason, Powell and the board.

Not to mention we have appointed a non-white caretaker manager in Chris Hughton before. So the precedent set by us a club is one that doesn't seem to fit the narrative of institutionalised racism.

 

[DarwinSpur]

I think Windy is a prick!

I must admit I felt the same when listening to him. It seemed such a lazy and self-aggrandizing accusation to make given the very real problem of racism in football and lack of opportunity for black coaches. I found the assumption that Powell would remain in post if he'd been the target of discrimination based on the colour of his skin a little bit offensive and made Windy come across all "white saviour".

But it's a real issue. Paul Ince talks eloquently about it and makes some very powerful points. I just wasn't sure this was a good example. At all.

But maybe I'm wrong? It's entirely possible.

 

[spurs mental]

I've said it before about Windy, and I'll say it again.

He's a very weird human being

 

[Trix]

I must admit I felt the same when listening to him. It seemed such a lazy and self-aggrandizing accusation to make given the very real problem of racism in football and lack of opportunity for black coaches. I found the assumption that Powell would remain in post if he'd been the target of discrimination based on the colour of his skin a little bit offensive and made Windy come across all "white saviour".

But it's a real issue. Paul Ince talks eloquently about it and makes some very powerful points. I just wasn't sure this was a good example. At all.

But maybe I'm wrong? It's entirely possible.

Windy used to be a really good read when he talked about the youth teams etc.

Now he just comes across a miserable, bitter, whiney twat that only ever has negative stuff to say.

I'd say the reason mason got the job in the short term over Chris is because of his relationship with the players. We needed a quick bounce and who better to get it than one of their mates. If this was a long term thing I think there would be more of a case but it was only ever going to be 6 games.

 

[Lea]

This person Windy thinks he has invented football, if you read his posts you would think pep needs his advise never mind the rest of managers. Try asking him how many matches he attended he will immediately block you. Stirring race issues is an acceptable.

 

[onthetwo]

i thought it was a 'throw-away' comment/thought, not a lot more, but not an unreasonable question to ask under the circumstances.

 

[dontcallme]

I must admit I felt the same when listening to him. It seemed such a lazy and self-aggrandizing accusation to make given the very real problem of racism in football and lack of opportunity for black coaches. I found the assumption that Powell would remain in post if he'd been the target of discrimination based on the colour of his skin a little bit offensive and made Windy come across all "white saviour".

But it's a real issue. Paul Ince talks eloquently about it and makes some very powerful points. I just wasn't sure this was a good example. At all.

But maybe I'm wrong? It's entirely possible.

The lack of black football managers in comparison with the amount of black players is an interesting topic.

The problem is trying to pinpoint individual cases of racism.

John Barnes got a big job for his first managerial job with very little coaching experience. He failed there then at his next 2 jobs and found no one else willing to take a chance on him.

Paul Ince did very well in the lower leagues but then took a solid Prem team to a relegation battle. My understanding is he struggled in every job he had since.

I remember an interview with Ian Wright years ago where he said he and other black players felt getting their coaching badges was pointless. The fact that people feel that way suggests something has gone wrong. But this is more about institutionalised racism and attitudes. This is something many find hard to understand or accept.

 

[Bobbins]

How do we know that Powell wasn’t offered the job and said no thanks ? I am sure I read somewhere on SC that he didn’t want to be a No. 1 and was happier at No 2 or 3.



I didn’t realise you are ITK and were aware what went on with this temporary appointment.

You're right - no-one should ever say what they think or ever express an opinion unless they're "ITK" or Levy's wife.

Close down the forums - we don't need them anymore! Just one giant read-only ITK thread for the future thanks

 

[allatsea]

This person Windy thinks he has invented football, if you read his posts you would think pep needs his advise never mind the rest of managers. Try asking him how many matches he attended he will immediately block you. Stirring race issues is an acceptable.

Sorry but it was Brenda Rogers that invented football and passing as well.

 

[Tim Spur Would]

Can this be moved to the batshit conspiracies thread?

 

[Sp3akerboxxx]

People have to remember that Windy himself has said that he judges players differently based on the colour of their skin.

It is not too surprising that he thinks that everyone else must be doing the same thing.

 

[Coneilly]

I must admit I felt the same when listening to him. It seemed such a lazy and self-aggrandizing accusation to make given the very real problem of racism in football and lack of opportunity for black coaches. I found the assumption that Powell would remain in post if he'd been the target of discrimination based on the colour of his skin a little bit offensive and made Windy come across all "white saviour".

But it's a real issue. Paul Ince talks eloquently about it and makes some very powerful points. I just wasn't sure this was a good example. At all.

But maybe I'm wrong? It's entirely possible.

I don’t believe you

 

[dontcallme]

Can this be moved to the batshit conspiracies thread?

Erm....no.

Maybe to one of the racism threads though.

 

[chrisd2k]

Really? FFS

 

[tottenhamlad]

Does this really belong in the Spurs chat.