We got our Tottenham back

[Paxtonite]

Erratic, sublime one week, grafting the next, complacent the week after that and down right crap when you expect them to win easily.

Scaling the heights of the premier league is clearly not our forte. Everytime our club has an opportunity to make real progress over the years, you can always guarantee a tottenham style cock up. Lasagne gate was just the cherry on the icing.

Being favourites in cup finals agains Blackburn and Coventry are just examples of where the dreaded complacency has reared its head before.

Having one or two bad days at the office a season is acceptable. This season so far we have blown home "bankers" against Stoke and Wolves; were unable to finish off Villa after playing them off the park; and despite two bites at the cherry at Goodison we still couldnt win. I wonder if "Arrry is trying to reverse the club form of last season??

We won't make top four this season lads i am sorry to say. We don't have the mentality for it, and it is starting to seem that no matter how much wheeling and dealing we do each year we still don't appear to have the players for it. Do we even have the manager for it?

There is something rotten in the state of Tottenham. Either that or we are just cursed.

:bang:

 

[shelfmonkey]

Those pikeys scumbags down the road cursed us when they pitched up in Shitebury.:evil::evil::evil:

 

[3Dnata]

We got it back? It never went away.
I could die for a few unjust 1-nils in our favour but can't for the life of me see how we'd get them.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I believe the club is cursed.

We need to ask some Haitian voodoo dr's to lift the spell.

 

[IamCelestial]

nice opening post.

our team is better than wolves team at each position. so today it must've been a mentality/and or tactics problem. for any of these, harry is the one to, at least partially, blame.

 

[ShelfSide18]

What a load of doom mongering nonsense.

You support one of the most successful teams in English football, be grateful. Bad day today but we are genuinely a club on the up, have some excellent players, play some lovely football and are on a sound financial footing.

If you look at spurs in this way you will never ever be happy.

 

[WexfordTownSpur]

What a load of doom mongering nonsense.

You support one of the most successful teams in English football, be grateful. Bad day today but we are genuinely a club on the up, have some excellent players, play some lovely football and are on a sound financial footing.

If you look at spurs in this way you will never ever be happy.

if this is on the up we are in real trouble when we start to go down!

 

[ShelfSide18]

if this is on the up we are in real trouble when we start to go down!

We came in to today after beating Wigan 9 (yes NINE) 1, playing Villa, a team considered our equals pre season, completely off the park, the same Villa who beat Man Utd away at Old Trafford today, and playing Everton, a team considered our equals pre season, completely off the park, the same Everton who got an excellent draw away to Chelsea today.

It's really not doom and gloom is it?

One of my best mates is a Notts County fan, he finds it hilarious when we Spurs fans whinge like this - his team got voted the 92nd worst team to support in the football league last year after the most managerial changes, relegations and least promotions etc etc etc. We were 5th or something, he says to me, and I'm inclined to agree, that we haven't got the foggiest idea what real pain is like when it comes to supporting a football club.

FFS, some people just build themselves up to be unhappy.

 

[mezza84]

We really should have won today and backed up a couple of half decent away results in the league (ok we really should have won them both but we'd have lost games like that a season ago).

The positive to me is we are getting much better at keeping the ball but yes, villa in the second half, and wolves today made it easy for us to do so.

It's not great to hear (-)ve mumbling and moaning when a backwards or square pass is played tho. Often in the long run these kind of passes are (+)ve in terms of ball retention/moving the ball into better space/chaniging the angle of attack.

 

[Paxtonite]

We came in to today after beating Wigan 9 (yes NINE) 1, playing Villa, a team considered our equals pre season, completely off the park, the same Villa who beat Man Utd away at Old Trafford today, and playing Everton, a team considered our equals pre season, completely off the park, the same Everton who got an excellent draw away to Chelsea today.

It's really not doom and gloom is it?

One of my best mates is a Notts County fan, he finds it hilarious when we Spurs fans whinge like this - his team got voted the 92nd worst team to support in the football league last year after the most managerial changes, relegations and least promotions etc etc etc. We were 5th or something, he says to me, and I'm inclined to agree, that we haven't got the foggiest idea what real pain is like when it comes to supporting a football club.

FFS, some people just build themselves up to be unhappy.

The game is about expectations and aspirations. If you think i should be happy because my club is better than Notts County then that is rubbish. The fact is that regardless of how well we played against Villa and Everton we got 2 points. Add on the games against Stoke and Wolves and we still got 2 points. That's 2 points out of a possible 12. Last season we had 2 points from our first 8 games and were teetering with relegation.

I am proud to be a spurs fan and proud of the clubs history, but unlike the "always half full" brigade of which you seem to be one, i aspire to better things, and the only way we are going to achieve better things is to be a better club. We have been "on the up" for the last 5 years. All i see is us standing still and failing to make that real push in to the elite that we need to make.

If you are happy for your "great" club not having won a top division title for nearly 50 years and being an also ran then that is your prerogative. I on the other hand am not happy, especially after the crud we were served up today.

 

[ShelfSide18]

Please find one example, just one - and feel free to sift through all 2600 posts I have made on Spurs Community if you must, of where I have said I don't want Spurs to aspire to better things. Just one will do.

I do have expectations and aspirations, but I don't let a few dodgy results taint my overall perspective of what my club is trying to achieve. We may not get 4th this season which is nothing to be ashamed of, then again we might finish 4th which will result in serious egg on many faces. If you think our Champions League challenge is over already well then I despair, and if we don't get 4th then no big deal - we won't be far off and we can build further in the summer and go again. My glass is half full yes, yours seems to be bottomless - maybe I am easily pleased but at least I can be happy with my club - which I don't see how you ever be if you look at Spurs the way you say you do.

You talk about us standing still for the last five years, which is bizarre because compared to the 15 odd years before we were far more successful. But the main thing that has hamstrung our club in the last 5 years is not having no ambitions and aspirations but being wildly over ambitious, greedy, and trying to achieve too much far too quickly.

We are showing signs we are getting it right, that we are going in the right direction and a few dodgy results aren't going to get me running back to Spurs Community to tell everyone how shit we are. How about let this club evolve without being so bloody reactionary when we have a poor result and realise that we are on the right tracks as a club but we need to be patient and then when success does come it will taste ever so sweet.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Every time we put a good run together the expectation rises to almost fever pitch which makes the lets downs so much harder to bear. At some point we'll have another run of good results and everyone will get all over excited again.

Bang, a bad result or two and the mass wrist slitting starts all over again.

I'm happy with the way we're heading*. Yes we could have done so much better recently and if we do find that elusive consistency, robert is your mothers brother.

*But then I am as high as a kite having just taken a double dose of painkillers and topped it off with a large 7 star Metaxa

 

[Jimmypearce7]

No excuses today "One of those days" the Official Site says. What crap. We bottled it, its what Spurs do. The club has done nothing for years because when the chips are down or an opportunity presents itself, we lack the courage to take the opportunity. Managers change, players change, the failings of the club remain the same.
For years now the club has exhibited no qualities that i would like to associate myself with. I only go our loyalty and an irrational faith that things will get better. But they wont will they?

 

[ShelfSide18]

No excuses today "One of those days" the Official Site says. What crap. We bottled it, its what Spurs do. The club has done nothing for years because when the chips are down or an opportunity presents itself, we lack the courage to take the opportunity. Managers change, players change, the failings of the club remain the same.
For years now the club has exhibited no qualities that i would like to associate myself with. I only go our loyalty and an irrational faith that things will get better. But they wont will they?

We're 5th and 2 points off 3rd.

Reactionary and knee jerk, that's what this post is and what the clubs main failing been in recent years.

Lets have a bit of perspective mate.

 

[DiscoD1882]

We came in to today after beating Wigan 9 (yes NINE) 1, playing Villa, a team considered our equals pre season, completely off the park, the same Villa who beat Man Utd away at Old Trafford today, and playing Everton, a team considered our equals pre season, completely off the park, the same Everton who got an excellent draw away to Chelsea today.

It's really not doom and gloom is it?

One of my best mates is a Notts County fan, he finds it hilarious when we Spurs fans whinge like this - his team got voted the 92nd worst team to support in the football league last year after the most managerial changes, relegations and least promotions etc etc etc. We were 5th or something, he says to me, and I'm inclined to agree, that we haven't got the foggiest idea what real pain is like when it comes to supporting a football club.

FFS, some people just build themselves up to be unhappy.

:clap::clap::clap::clap: sense!

 

[riversmonkey]

It's weird because if we had have won today the two previous points we picked up away from home would look more credible, but after losing today they just look like massively missed opportunities.

But we are still in the hunt, so let's stay positive.

 

[ajspurs]

Yea we're still in the hunt but, we definitely need to improve. Our central midfield needs to be stronger and more creative.

I gotta say if we stick with Hud and Palacios in the centre we're not gonna make top 4, that's just my opinion, and the season would be a hell of a lot easier if we got someone else in to partner Defoe and had a more solid regular centre back partnership.

We can still do it, first we need to beat City though, and then we need to start beating the teams weaker than us, well, I mean all the teams below the top 8, home and away. If we can become more solid and fiesty, we will pick up a hell of a lot more points, we have enough flair in the team but we don't have that steel yet

Today we were awful, but we're so close to being at the level we need to be at, I just hope Harry knows what tweaking he needs to do get is there, because I don't think Hud is good enough in the centre, as well as Crouch and Keane up front.

 

[kaz Hirai]

meh i wont let spurs ruin my mood, its christmas damn it!

anyway looking at today, birmingham, and stoke it seems if a team decides to park the bus theres nothing we can do about it. those 3 teams are shocking aswell, yet we make them look like the itallian nation team when it comes to defending.

now why is that, strikers with poor movement? Huddlestone doesnt help for me as wilson is the defensive midfielder, he needs to take responsibilty and be the Attacking midfielder, which means moving beyond the front two at times, late charges into the box, playing through balls and passes in the area to the strikers, and not from our own half like he usually does.
Think eventually JJ needs to loose the shackles and play as attacking as he can and use his pace to get beyond people and move the opposition out position freeing up our other attacking players or we play niko or modric in centre midfield, this is all probably best a tactic for home games against weaker teams mind.

all in all i think looking at the game today we are a bit predictable really, and very static. youve got wilson and tom just sitting in our own half passing it to the wide men, maybe at times tom will try and wild hollywood pass that ends up going nowhere.
no great movement from our strikers, keane probably being the best at this to be honest but his touch and vision seem poor at the moment, seem to pin alot of hope on lennon aswell, lets spread the ball to him and he'll do something. wolves marked him out of the game and we looked toothless, a bit like at united away recently. Maybe this will all change now with modric back as you cant double up on lennon and luka

anyway i hope to see something more like this in future at home

Lennon--Krancjar--Palacios--Modric

-----------Gio/keane
-------------------Defoe/crouch

(i think we really need that movement of gio or keane in the side)

i said it during the game but if Wolves tried that tactic against arsenal today, even if they were 2 goals up i would have bet steak dinners on arsenal winning it still with 85 plus minutes on the clock.:shrug:

end of line.

 

[StartingPrice]

We got it back? It never went away.
I could die for a few unjust 1-nils in our favour but can't for the life of me see how we'd get them.

Got one against Sunderland...and half the folk on here whinged 'cos it wasn't a great performance. I thought it was the best result we had had in years and loved the sheer unfairness of it.

 

[Paxtonite]

Please find one example, just one - and feel free to sift through all 2600 posts I have made on Spurs Community if you must, of where I have said I don't want Spurs to aspire to better things. Just one will do.

I do have expectations and aspirations, but I don't let a few dodgy results taint my overall perspective of what my club is trying to achieve. We may not get 4th this season which is nothing to be ashamed of, then again we might finish 4th which will result in serious egg on many faces. If you think our Champions League challenge is over already well then I despair, and if we don't get 4th then no big deal - we won't be far off and we can build further in the summer and go again. My glass is half full yes, yours seems to be bottomless - maybe I am easily pleased but at least I can be happy with my club - which I don't see how you ever be if you look at Spurs the way you say you do.

You talk about us standing still for the last five years, which is bizarre because compared to the 15 odd years before we were far more successful. But the main thing that has hamstrung our club in the last 5 years is not having no ambitions and aspirations but being wildly over ambitious, greedy, and trying to achieve too much far too quickly.

We are showing signs we are getting it right, that we are going in the right direction and a few dodgy results aren't going to get me running back to Spurs Community to tell everyone how shit we are. How about let this club evolve without being so bloody reactionary when we have a poor result and realise that we are on the right tracks as a club but we need to be patient and then when success does come it will taste ever so sweet.

That's almost laughable to be honest. This club has been "evolving" since 1882 but i guess youre talking about recent years. Well we have been showing the same signs of getting it right for the last 5 years and the 15 before that should not be a benchmark of progress. This clubs aspirations were laid many years ago. Its history dictates where we perceive ourselves to be and we can only be in the wilderness (for want of a better phrase) for so long.

I am glad you are happy. Good luck to you mate. If you read my original post with the same objectivity that you preach, you will see that it was primarily centred on our lack of consistency and our tendency to shoot ourselves in the foot, so despite our position in the league at the moment my belief is that we wont get 4th this season (even though i want us to and will still support us in achieving that). You can still believe that we will get there this season and i sincerely hope that this team proves me wrong but while i see good things happening i dont see enough to maintain a challenge. At no point btw did i say i would stop supporting this great club and i didn't rush back here to tell everyone how shit we are. This is a fans forum and we are all entitled to opinions. I reckon the majority of fans come here after a game and i think the seriousness of my post was in the title and the frustration indicated by the banging head at the end of it.

What we can't afford to do however is bang 9 goals in one week and then produce performances like todays and i have not even mentioned the three goal maulings where we waved the white flag against Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal. There was a time when we used to compete with these teams home and away. You may be too young to remember which is why you may have a different basis point than me. Just so you know I have been a spurs supporter for over 40 years.

My frustration is centred also on the fact that this year i see Arsenal and Liverpool fading. But i also see City and Villa strengthening. That is why for me this season is crucial as an opportunity for my beloved club.

So enjoy your happiness with our "progress". Reality though tells me that whilst we may have progressed from the dross of the 90's, the last 5 years has seen us get to a certain level and no further (for whatever reason both on and off the pitch). If days like today don't hurt then perhaps its that which differentiates us.

Tomorrow is a new day.