We should have been made to pay more for Bostock

[Kyras]

Although title relates to us and should be in Spurs chat, This thread is about where the power lies.

Personally, I believe in the cases of Bostock, Fabregas and Flamini, us and Arsenal should have paid more, with Fabregas it's less of a problem as it was Barcelona, but we only paid 700k for Bostock which can only potentially rise to 1.25m.

As a spurs fan, I'm pleased that we only paid that much, and I'm not blaming us, because we're a business, and Daniel Levy's a great businessman, but the authorities should do more to protect clubs producing players.

I understand that we're paying for potential, and it's difficult to price it fairly, but in that case, the courts should rule that we pay up to £5m (including installments), and if we don't like it, then he stays at Palace or goes somewhere who wants to pay £5m.

£5m broken down like this seems fair to me:

£700k initially
£300k after 10 appearances.
£1m after 10 starts
£1m after a year at the club
£1m after 50 appearances
£1m after international debut

Although it could be argued that it would discourage clubs from playing these players, clubs like us wouldn't even think about this, and would understand these restrictions when taking on the players. This would also discourage big clubs from buying all the young talent and putting them in the reserves.

Discuss.

 

[chivers!]

The kid's out of contract, and the payment's compensation for the cost of his development, not for his worth / potential.

 

[Kyras]

Out of contract because his head's been turned? and just because it is, doesn't mean it should be, it makes it pointless having an academy. They outlay money on a whole squad in each year group in the hope that 1 makes it, so if they are just reimbursed for his personal development, then they make a loss on that year.

 

[Joycer]

Never Mind Thats Jordans fault for being a **** ! :grin:

 

[chivers!]

They outlay money on a whole squad in each year group in the hope that 1 makes it, so if they are just reimbursed for his personal development, then they make a loss on that year.

I don't have the figures. How much does running their academy cost them, and how much do they make out of it in terms of selling players on and progressing them into the squad?
Are they making a loss?

 

[Kyras]

I don't have the figures. How much does running their academy cost them, and how much do they make out of it in terms of selling players on and progressing them into the squad?
Are they making a loss?

IF they are only being reimbursed for hsi development, and no-one else makes it from that year, then yes, they are making a loss on his group, unless the training of everyone else in his year group was free.

 

[chivers!]

Yes, I understand the principle, but does anyone know if it's actually running at a loss?

 

[DEFchenkOE]

If I was a Palace fan i'd be fuming. Just imagine if one of our most promising players, say Terry Dixon (before the injury) got poached by Barcelona and we only got 700k for him from a tribunal and he turned out to be a superstar then we'd all be pissed.

I'm not a fan at all of Simon Jordan but from Palace fans point of view they have every right to be annoyed. Arsenal have been doing this sort of thing for a while now, I don't think it's right.

 

[chivers!]

Nope, but what are you gonna do? Not many plcs are going bung in more cash than they've been instructed to, by a tribunal that they didn't want to go to.

 

[JKSpurs]

Say for example you had a young Central defender who you had brought up through the ranks and had the potential to be the best in the country. If say for example that player promised to sign a new contract all the time confessed his loyalty to the club constantly then had his head turned by rival and went back on his supposed word and signed for someone else. Would you not be slightly upset ?

N.B Its not Bostock fault, Its not Spurs Fault and its Not CP or SJ fault... its the sad state of affairs with fotball.

 

[Kyras]

Say for example you had a young Central defender who you had brought up through the ranks and had the potential to be the best in the country. If say for example that player promised to sign a new contract all the time confessed his loyalty to the club constantly then had his head turned by rival and went back on his supposed word and signed for someone else. Would you not be slightly upset ?

N.B Its not Bostock fault, Its not Spurs Fault and its Not CP or SJ fault... its the sad state of affairs with fotball.

That's kinda the point I was trying to make, in my own twisted, retarded way.

 

[chivers!]

Say for example you had a young Central defender who you had brought up through the ranks and had the potential to be the best in the country. If say for example that player promised to sign a new contract all the time confessed his loyalty to the club constantly then had his head turned by rival and went back on his supposed word and signed for someone else. Would you not be slightly upset ?

Yes, and you'll remember that in that particular example, the board came in for criticism for letting things get to that state.

 

[worcestersauce]

Say for example you had a young Central defender who you had brought up through the ranks and had the potential to be the best in the country. If say for example that player promised to sign a new contract all the time confessed his loyalty to the club constantly then had his head turned by rival and went back on his supposed word and signed for someone else. Would you not be slightly upset ?

N.B Its not Bostock fault, Its not Spurs Fault and its Not CP or SJ fault... its the sad state of affairs with fotball.

But the bottom line is that Bostock looked at Palace system and decided it wasn't good enough at a critical time in his development it's as simple as that. If it had been good enough he would have stayed signed and improved knowing that he would get his move to a bigger club eventually and probably quite soon.
A club does not have the right to keep a youngster against his better footballing interests, if their acadamy or youth system is not up to scratch they have no moral or ethical right to keep that player just because they got hold of him as a kid.

 

[Rumbaldo]

yeah when i read how much we had to pay i felt sorry for palace and if its true they only wanted 2 - 2.5m why on earth did we go to tribunal. but its simon jordan and ultimately he is a gobby prick who probably brought this all on himself still chin up simon thats alot of fake tan and hair dye you can get for 700k.

 

[Shanks]

Lets be honest here. Palace or Spurs.....

If Palace didn't sort out contract, then they cannot complain, like we couldn't really complain about Sol leaving us. (although in the manner in which he did was ****ish), but thats the person.

 

[Kushal]

Players who've spent at least 3 years at an academy and are under the age of 18 should by default be contracted to the club. (cue Stoof to show up with his law books!)

This gives time for the club to judge the player's potential and if he's not good enough, he won't be released for free without compensation.

 

[worcestersauce]

Players who've spent at least 3 years at an academy and are under the age of 18 should by default be contracted to the club. (cue Stoof to show up with his law books!)

This gives time for the club to judge the player's potential and if he's not good enough, he won't be released for free without compensation.

Even if it is fucking up their development?

 

[Montasura]

From a sensible point of view, I think the 700k was an absolute disgrace. We should have been forced to pay far more for a player of such calibre.

There is no doubt that it makes a mockery out of having a great youth academy and makes it pointless for clubs to have one as it simply is not worth the money to have such an academy. I genuinely feel sorry for the financial guys behind Palace football club.

That said, from a Spurs fan point of view, I think it is great. I just hope we take it easy on the young lad and mould him into a Spurs legend.....an not another Routeledge!!

Finally, the fact that Simon Jordan is a grade A tosser just makes the whole deal that little bit sweeter :grin:

 

[chivers!]

How about £500,000?

Simon Jordan, his chairman at Crystal Palace, estimates that he could squeeze £500,000 from a list of suitors who include Manchester United, Liverpool, Tottenham Hotspur, Chelsea and Barcelona. (Times Online, October 2007)

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/article1662642.ece

 

[General Levy]

How about £500,000?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/columnists/article1662642.ece

Love the comments:

he's proper pants! just bigger than all the other kids!


mike, london,



Cheers Mike!


I'm a personal friend of Johnny as he went to my local football club before he signed for palace and he is a really nice guy and is completely level headed ive been to his matches on several ocaasions and he is quality


Johnny Kay, London, England


I watched him play for England U16 at Wembley yesterday, he came on at half time and looked like he could grace any pitch at any level. His Dad's got it in perspective but he's definitely one for the future


Brian O'Leary, London, UK


Having seen this kid play football, trust me when i say this, he is the real deal, and injury permiting he will play for the full England side by the time he is 19 years old, and he is the best young English player i have seen in a long time


paul harding, dunstable, England


There are better qualified people in terms of his football knowledge than me to comment on whether John Bostock will fulfill his potential. However, as one of his teachers, he has a number of qualities that others in his position could benefit from, a totally dedicated approach to both his training and school work, combined with a modesty and maturity that impresses everybody who meets him. In addition a totally supportive family who shield him from the enormous pressure scouts and agents exert. It remains to be seen whether John reaches the heights expected, but he possesses the attributes that Ajax with their renowned youth development have always looked for in a young player,{tips} technique, intelligence, personality,and speed. He also certanly has option of university as he is a bright and academic young man.
Neil McGregor, london, UK