Well done Arsenal ….We are million miles behind you in so many ways……
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Don't be surprised if they are temporarily but then finish below us as they have a harder run-in - bookmark if like.
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I hope so..but it always ends in tears
Does it.
Some of us older members remember many seasons when it hasn't ended in tears.
There has been plenty of seasons before my memory kicks-in where it didn't end in tears.
This team is better than anything we have seen in decades, and the Chariman has resurrected this club from the torpor it was in. Thereforeit is, frankly, wrong-headed to extrapolate from our period of decline to now.
Honestly, how do you actually expect the players to start believing when, after 6 seasons of slow but steady improvement (with a few set-backs), fans like you still absolutely steadfsatly refuse to be anything but absolutely rooted in a recent past of absolute pessimism :shrug:
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15 years OF FAILURE in the Champion's League ? Not worth boasting about.
As I said in another thread recently in the last 59 years Arsenal have had only 12 seasons in which they won a trophy, sometimes two admittedly.
In the same period Spurs have had 13 years of trophies.
A lot of folk think that the Emirates is another thing they have over us, well if they need to have pre-recorded fans singing in the stadium that ain't my bag.
They are also known throughout history for cheating, bad sportsmanship, financial misdealings and even now have a lot of dirty Russian oil money being laundered through the club. The directors have filled all their pockets with countless millions of pounds while the manager is given a shoestring budget to play with.
Scum of the highest order.
As I said in another thread recently in the last 59 years Arsenal have had only 12 seasons in which they won a trophy, sometimes two admittedly.
In the same period Spurs have had 13 years of trophies.
A lot of folk think that the Emirates is another thing they have over us, well if they need to have pre-recorded fans singing in the stadium that ain't my bag.
They are also known throughout history for cheating, bad sportsmanship, financial misdealings and even now have a lot of dirty Russian oil money being laundered through the club. The directors have filled all their pockets with countless millions of pounds while the manager is given a shoestring budget to play with.
Scum of the highest order.
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And don't forget their 100 years of hoof football - yes, 100 years
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Well that's provocative
A weird mixture of insight and complete lack of perspective.
I think what you've done here is mistaken the personal journey you're on, to whatever enlightenment you think you've reached, for some more universal journey/experience.
You're also, if you don't me saying so, only part way there, so maybe it's bit early to be showering us all with the fruits of your epiphany.
Anyway, I guess the insightful part of your post is the realisation that success can be judged by different standards and across various lengths of time.
Arsenal are the model Levy has tried to follow.
Sadly for us, we're attempting to do it in the time of billionaire backers and the Sky Four with the extra financial muscle that implies. Wenger was a visionary, he didn't follow anyone's path, and the reward for that was a decade at the top table.
What's incredible in that context is that we have got to where we have got to.
Our books are balanced, we have a world-class training facility coming on line in the summer, plans for a new stadium (albeit unfunded), our turnover (income) has tripled in five years, and we possess a squad capable of finishing above at least two of our six better funded rivals, two years out of three. A squad moreover, worth many multiples of what we invested in it.
Atm our first team and squad is better than Arsenal's, the key players are signed to long contracts (which is not the case at the Emirates), we have a group of exciting players in their early to mid-twenties coming into their full powers, augmented and mentored by a sprinkling of experience which we picked up for virtually nothing. It is a very good balance and something that the Arsenal team lacks.
Our first team and squad cost far less than Arsenal's, indeed we spend something like £30m a year less than them each year on our player's wages (which is double our average annual transfer expenditure.).
So despite spending less, starting from much further back, not benefiting from a decade of CL revenues, being less profitable with a far smaller turnover, we have overhauled them.
Which is the reality.
You make an interesting point about the sustainability of our success without the income stream a larger stadium guarantees. And you are also correct to point out that it's far from certain we'll be able to balance the investment required to keep the squad competitive as well as find the finance for the new stadium. This will be a challenge, and it is one that Arsenal have met with aplomb.
Their long-term prospects therefore, are better than ours.
But they were better in each year we've been chasing them down. They were better last year and the year before, and they were better this year, the year in which we surpassed them.
We may not succeed in over-taking them over the longer-term, we may well look back at this period as a high water-mark.
But we may not.
I think it's that which you've failed to grasp and which has skewed your OP.
Just a quick post-script, you could have written and titled your piece far less provocatively. I understand why you didn't. It was supposed to be provocative and by being so it got us all talking. But therefore it's pretty disingenuous of you to get all sensitive when funnily enough it does provoke, isn't it?
Very credible and valid response.... I will respond when I am sober! :wink:
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Good, we are still third and four points in front of Arsenal after spending only 5m in the summer so its definately not the time to berate Redknapp and then finger fuck Arsenal.
bigpalacios
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Yes, just because we got beat by Arsenal and Utd doesnt mean we will collapse, we are 3rd because upon till this minute,second, micro-second we are the 3rd best team in the league by 4 points and I dont expect it to change as dramatically as you think.
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I believe I made a valid and credible response too...and :roll: not one element of that response was dependent on us not getting a disappointing result today (with Parker, Bale and VDV out, and Modric out of position, I may add). Just makes your subsequent posts seem even more knee-jerkand lacking in perspective, TBH. Linda like ha ha, we had a bad result so I'm right :roll:
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Great post.
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