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What do we think of Poch?

jambreck

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It's also worth pointing out that, back in the day, the cups (and the FA Cup especially) were far more highly valued. Conversely, league positions - other than Champions or relegation places - weren't so important. So if a club had no chance of winning the title or being relegated but was having a good cup run, it was considered perfectly acceptable to prioritise the cup.

That's no longer the case. The riches on offer for finishing in the top four have dramatically altered priorities for those clubs which stand a chance of doing so - like Spurs so often over the past 8-9 years.
 

Frozen_Waffles

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I am optimistic....

Youth dev..... trying the youngsters out, putting Kane in, instead of resigning Defoe

Passing forward.... I think Mason has potential, but it is clear he was brought in because none of our other cm will pass forward. Bored of watching sideways passing like all of us.

Changing positions of players.... finally Dembelee looks decent, mainly because he is not playing cm. Rose at LM, Kane as no 10 etc...

Fitness

If your good enough your old enough

No catering to ego's

No over the top degrading of players in the press

The only thing I am worried about is ths fixation on the same formation, but other than that all good. Also he came in at a time when with the current playing staff, it seemed an impossible job (for the objectives).
 

StockSpur

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http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/31126792
This is all we need to know, despite the BBC blowing smoke up Koeman's ass for his 'success' at Southampton they also mention that:

And while outsiders thought Koeman was joining a club in crisis, Koeman's risk was a calculated one, because he had done his homework and knew he was actually joining one of the best-run clubs in England.

"And he was smart enough to go in there, see how they had been trained and accept that Mauricio Pochettino [who joined Tottenham last summer] had done a great job before him. Therefore it was just a case of adding his little nuances."

If Poch manages to install this at Spurs I think they could find the blueprint that Levy has been desperately seeking for many years..
 

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I suspect, in fact, that if any party was being economical with the truth, it was Spurs. They would rather have waited until the end of the season before waving goodbye to AVB
This would be true if the club hadn't thought that Tim could stop the rot against the sides above us. No way you can ship 4 or 5 repeatedly without getting sacked.

I'm having difficulty following the negative in this one? The way I read it is:
Spurs would have kept AVB until the end of the season if they thought Tim couldn't stop the rot against the sides above us.

Not sure if that's worded wrong, but Tim's record against the bigger sides (and rivals) was pretty catastrophic. Not to spoil anyone's distorted view of the past, but under Tim we lost:
  • Both games against West Ham (2-1 LC, 2-0 PL)
  • Both games against Arsenal (2-0 FA, 1-0 PL)
  • 4-0 to both Liverpool and Chelsea in the league
  • 5-1 to City (not a massive upgrade on 6-0
Sherwood was just as tactically naive as AVB with those games, but also had some good results too. I reckon we would have kept AVB until the end of the season anyway, as both managers, outside of the big defeats, did a decent job on points.
This weekend will be very decisive on the results, but so far Pochettino has improved the team well in that respect.
 

PLTuck

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I'll be honest, I love the bloke. The way he conducts himself is exemplary. He sets a good example in his methods and policies. He's also thoroughly likeable in my opinion. I loved when after playing Utd on 28th December a repoter asked him "So big game coming up against Chelsea in 3 days, is it now rest, rest, rest?" to which Poch smiled and said "No. Train, train, train."
 

Shadydan

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I am really happy with him and the way things are going and extremely excited for the club's future.

I love the fact that he is looking to focus on youth and isn't hung up on star players, couldn't get his man MS in the summer but instead of moaning he's got on with it and instead he's stuck Bentaleb, a move that seems to be paying off and will reap the benefits in the coming years as he gets more experienced. Could have stuck with the likes of Capoue and Kaboul but rightly dropped them after inconsistent performances and has placed his faith in Mason which was a good move, we were devoid of energy and drive in the middle of the park.

Whilst we're not playing well in some of our matches we are grinding out results, he has seemingly improved the mentality and got the players to believe in themselves, we now have a set of players who want to fight for the manager and fight for the club which is a stark contrast the last season so he deserves immense credit for that. I love the fact that we are probably the fittest team in the league and you can see evidence of that when we are pressing and harrying the opposition to the 90th minute

He also seems perfect for the club in the way he conducts himself in interviews, IMO that's another big reason why Levy hired him because he has class and he acts as a good ambassador for the club.

The only negatives is giving the captaincy to Ade and Kaboul, everyone could see that was a ridiculous decision, maybe he thought that it would bring the best out of them but in my mind if you're the captain and the vice captain then you should have the respect of your team mates when neither of them do.
 

Blake Griffin

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i like that he believes in growing a team rather than buying one, i also like that he values english players. two things some of our fans will have to get on board with.
 

thinktank

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http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/31126792
This is all we need to know, despite the BBC blowing smoke up Koeman's ass for his 'success' at Southampton they also mention that:

And while outsiders thought Koeman was joining a club in crisis, Koeman's risk was a calculated one, because he had done his homework and knew he was actually joining one of the best-run clubs in England.

"And he was smart enough to go in there, see how they had been trained and accept that Mauricio Pochettino [who joined Tottenham last summer] had done a great job before him. Therefore it was just a case of adding his little nuances."


If Poch manages to install this at Spurs I think they could find the blueprint that Levy has been desperately seeking for many years..

The anti mob will still deny he had any influence on s'ton current functionality even though they play exactly the same way now as he trained them to, then.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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i like that he believes in growing a team rather than buying one, i also like that he values english players. two things some of our fans will have to get on board with.

I think the attitude has been reversed within our fan base, there is now a preference of English players instead of foreign signings. Which is a change from the last few years and back to where we where in the Jol days.

It's always going to change depending on success.

Personally it doesn't matter to me where they come from if they have the right attitude or can have it instilled in them and if Poch rates/wants them.
 

Blake Griffin

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I think the attitude has been reversed within our fan base, there is now a preference of English players instead of foreign signings. Which is a change from the last few years and back to where we where in the Jol days.

It's always going to change depending on success.

Personally it doesn't matter to me where they come from if they have the right attitude or can have it instilled in them and if Poch rates/wants them.

perhaps, i still reckon the majority of our fans would sell our club growns down the river for the chance to sign the next big foreign star they'd heard good things about though. i think some definitely need to get used to the idea that we won't be spending big on established stars from now on, the whole idea of appointing poch imo was that he could work with younger players and progress a team through to the opening of the new stadium without the need to drop 25m here and 30m there like avb insisted we had to.
 
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Spurger King

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I'll be honest, I love the bloke. The way he conducts himself is exemplary. He sets a good example in his methods and policies. He's also thoroughly likeable in my opinion. I loved when after playing Utd on 28th December a repoter asked him "So big game coming up against Chelsea in 3 days, is it now rest, rest, rest?" to which Poch smiled and said "No. Train, train, train."

And then he took the squad on a trip on the Orient Express...
 

TottenhamLegend

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I am extremely positive re. Poch and our current situation in general, but those subs cost us the game today. After Sturridge went off and Lovren came on, they would have been there for the taking if we played it right.

But Paulinho came on at DM and taking off Eriksen over Lamela for Chadli was just a horrible decision.

So frustrating as we could even have gone on to win that.

But still, as I say, positive in general.
 

MattyP

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I am extremely positive re. Poch and our current situation in general, but those subs cost us the game today. After Sturridge went off and Lovren came on, they would have been there for the taking if we played it right.

But Paulinho came on at DM and taking off Eriksen over Lamela for Chadli was just a horrible decision.

So frustrating as we could even have gone on to win that.

But still, as I say, positive in general.

Eriksen was poor tonight, Lamela was not. On tonight's performance, correct decision, on the basis of late goals, no.

He, Poch, does need to find something else to say other than "this is football".
 

Damian99

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Inability to sort out a defence is worrying


Not sure why you got a "wtf" rating, imo you are correct. We aren't that difficult to score against and even easier to create chances on target.

Have to be much better without the ball than we currently are, did Liverpool have to work hard for their goals tonight or did we serve them up on a plate?
 

DEFchenkOE

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Not sure why you got a "wtf" rating, imo you are correct. We aren't that difficult to score against and even easier to create chances on target.

Have to be much better without the ball than we currently are, did Liverpool have to work hard for their goals tonight or did we serve them up on a plate?

Our defensive shape for their 3rd was pretty dreadful. We always seem to have players out of position.
 

Derp

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I love Poch, but i just don't get why he can't see that playing Eriksen as a winger only works when we are in control. We are always getting raped down our left when we play against teams were we arent the favorites. It was the same shite the last couple of games against liverpoool. Rodgers is a clever manager and liverpools counterattacks are always giving us trouble. Liverpool have trouble against sides that are sitting deep, but i think they might have the best counter attacking side in the league. We were lucky today that Sturridge isn't fully fit. Sturridge on 100% would have scored a hattrick today.

I think Poch did everything wrong today.
 
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