What our opponents' fans are saying about us 17/18

[Monkey boy]

A thread started on Everton's Grand Old Team forum on Friday evening, which invited posters to say which was the better out of: Lukaku and Kane; and Barkley and Dele.

Lots of pro-Everton bias as you might expect until post 116 at 3.26pm this afternoon...

"Well, we have our answer "

That particular thread is quite amazing. Most people are still adamant that both Barkley and Lukaku are much better than Kane and Dele????

People saying that Kane wouldn't score as much in the Everton team as Lukaku does and that with Dembele and Eriksen creating Kane should be scoring more than he does.

FFS football fans are the most deluded bunch of idiots you'll ever come across.

 

[Mr Pink]

If they were even in with half a chance of signing him they'd be creaming their shorts.

 

[Gb160]

So the latest is that Kane doesn't score in big matches even though his record in the big matches is moderately respectful, people then bring up his CL record when his record is 2 in 3, then people are bringing up his England performances against him as of he isn't the only top class player to struggle with the national team.

Great thing about those threads is when you have matches like today where yet again he proves his doubters wrong those same people end up with egg on their face.

It's just typical nonsense rival football fans who just do not want to admit the truth and will desperately try to find ANYTHING they can use to justify their stance against a player because they don't want to be proved wrong, it's beyond pathetic.

I think a lot of it is fuelled by the anonymity that forums/twitter provide...people must be aware they look stupid/ridiculous but aren't really that bothered because no one knows who they actually are.
You won't find many people that don't rate Kane actually in person, because no one likes to be laughed at.

 

[DIEHARD]

That particular thread is quite amazing. Most people are still adamant that both Barkley and Lukaku are much better than Kane and Dele????

People saying that Kane wouldn't score as much in the Everton team as Lukaku does and that with Dembele and Eriksen creating Kane should be scoring more than he does.

FFS football fans are the most deluded bunch of idiots you'll ever come across.

Barkley is a better dribbler and midfielder than dele but dele scores goals and that's a good trait and skill to have.

 

[Blake Griffin]

technically and physically they're fairly close but alli is simply a far more intelligent footballer.

 

[Xeeleeyid]

Barkley is a better dribbler and midfielder than dele but dele scores goals and that's a good trait and skill to have.

Really? I think Alli is at least as good at dribbling, which is Barkley's main thing. Alli loves a nutmeg. In every other respect to Barkley he is superior. Work rate, tackling, strength, touch, control, technique, finishing, left foot, right foot, heading, movement, timing of his runs, team work, instinct.

Put it this way, if Barkley was within touching distance of Alli's talent, he'd have been poached from Everton probably two or three years ago.

 

[double0]

Alli is far superior to Barkley in assist goal and dribbles whats scary there's much more to come from Alli.

I think Everton are using Barkley wrong and should employ Barkley in a similar role position to Bale.

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

technically and physically they're fairly close but alli is simply a far more intelligent footballer.

I like them both. If Dele is going to fulfill his potential, he could do with bulking up a bit more like Barkley. And learn how to beat players at close quarters. What Barkley needs is to move the ball much quicker, take less responsibility in the moment, and get into the kind of positions that Dele gets into. I think Dele has the easier way forward. But I do like them both.

 

[DIEHARD]

Really? I think Alli is at least as good at dribbling, which is Barkley's main thing. Alli loves a nutmeg. In every other respect to Barkley he is superior. Work rate, tackling, strength, touch, control, technique, finishing, left foot, right foot, heading, movement, timing of his runs, team work, instinct.

Put it this way, if Barkley was within touching distance of Alli's talent, he'd have been poached from Everton probably two or three years ago.

Like for instance today dele so many times just didn't hold onto the ball. Barkley is a good ball carrier who makes effective driving runs. Dele always tries to perhaps nutmeg someone or whatever which doesn't come off.

They're both different players hence I didn't directly compare them but compared certain facets.

I don't think dele should ever be considered a midfielder and that's why I don't think the comparison works directly.

 

[IGSpur]

Some of the opinions on that forum don't make sense

"Lukaku is matching Kane for goals while being served mostly by pretty unimpressive footballers, while Kane plays alongside Alli and Eriksen ffs.

Without penalties."

This just doesn't make much sense. They contradict themselves so much. For one Harry Kane has scored more goals excluding penalties (47) than any other Premier League player since January 2015.

Then they're saying that Kane gets to play with Alli whereas Lukaku plays with Barkley et al. hence Kane's record. When you think of the players that contribute to our attack you have our fullbacks, CMs and 3 attacking players, 2 of the 3 being Kane and Alli. In one breath they're saying our FBs, CMs, and Lukaku and Barkely are comparable, the next they're saying Kane and Alli play in a significantly better team. Guess Eriksen is the real and only star.

Also so many are saying things like Barkley and Lukaku have more potential and greater scope to improve, yet Alli is 3 years younger than Barkley and Kane is a couple of months younger than Lukaku. One poster even used the fact that apparently Kane was 3 or 4 years older as a reason to sway is opinion to believing Lukaku was better.

But there is this one guy, Tree13, that is funny, and tbf someone called Carlito is trying to educate him

"Tree13
Rom's comparable stats:
10 in 36
18 in 37
17 in 25

In the first two seasons of the three we're looking at, Spurs had the better manager, better goalkeeper, better CB pair, and better midfield. In the current season the gap between Lukaku and Kane has reduced significantly... because we have upgraded our manager, our CB pair and our midfield. I would still give Spurs the edge at the GK and CB positions, and wide midfield, but suddenly Kane isn't far ahead in the goalscoring stakes. Because Lukaku is the better player.

Carlito
By that Logic, Defoe is the best striker in the league.

Tree13
The only reason Defoe isn't highly rated is his age. But you already knew that, and ignored it in order to introduce your strawman argument."

In Kane's first season he was playing in an unstable team, where there was essentially a player revolt, and making his breakthrough. Also the majority of the team had to be filled in with inexpereinced academy players. Also apprently despite Defoe's age he is still better than both Lukaku and Kane based off the fact that he is doing it at Sunderland. Then follows it up with this gem

"Tree13
Defoe scores a lot of goals, regularly, for a dire team. If he and Kane swapped around tomorrow, Defoe would score plenty for Spurs but Kane would score far less for Sunderland... as proven by his reduced scoring rate with England."

I can only assume this guy forgot Defoe has spent around 9 years playing for Spurs. With Modric, Bale, VDV etc. and in his whole time with us scored a max of 18 league goals in one season. I liked Defoe and wish he had played more, but I don't think one Spurs fan would think Defoe was better than Kane yet this guy does smh. If he knew what was going on he'd realise his experiment has already been done.

For the record I actually really like both of their players and can see arguments for both, but I would still go for Alli and Kane for the consistency if nothing else. Ability, potential can be argued all day long for either or, I'd still say Kane and Alli, but cold hard contribution you can't look further than our two. Their players have also had so many more PL games and are still struggling to match Kane and Alli's stats yet we've got to wait to see what they can really do when they fulfill their potential but Kane and Alli have peaked.

EDIT - Finally I love how they say that we are a top 4 team hence Kane scores goals but don't think, may be we're a top 4 team because Kane scores goals. As if we are there despite Kane's lack of ability. I think Janssen will come good, but does anyone want to tell them about our lack of goals when Janssen was playing, and why we magically started scoring again when Kane returned.

 

[Mr Pink]

All the talk about Harry is funny anyway. It's very obvious he's going to tear this league up for years to come if he avoids serious injury - touch wood.

His stats are insane, for anyone who's interested check them out on Football 365.

There's no getting away from the fact that he's one of the most lethal forwards in the world at the moment and he's not even close to his peak yet.

100 per cent bitterness from the vast majority of rival fans.

 

[danielneeds]

That argument about Lukaku doing better for Spurs is so redundant - he's a player who actually does better with space to counter attack into, when he has to manufacture space he's not got a clue.

 

[TheHoddleWaddle]

All the talk about Harry is funny anyway. It's very obvious he's going to tear this league up for years to come if he avoids serious injury - touch wood.

His stats are insane, for anyone who's interested check them out on Football 365.

There's no getting away from the fact that he's one of the most lethal forwards in the world at the moment and he's not even close to his peak yet.

100 per cent bitterness from the vast majority of rival fans.

Long may those fans who don't understand Kanes ability continue to under rate him. It just makes it more enjoyable when he continues to score so many. All that matters is that we, as Spurs fans, along with Pochettino know how good he is. The Kafir of Kane = white noise.

 

[Mr Pink]

That argument about Lukaku doing better for Spurs is so redundant - he's a player who actually does better with space to counter attack into, when he has to manufacture space he's not got a clue.

Exactly, would of scored a shit load for Leicester last season

 

[stewartd]

What all these toffees seem to forget is the major difference between Harry and Lukaku is Harry will be scoring 20+ a season for us for many seasons to come whereas Lukaku is a mercenary who probably wont be there next season, and its doubtful if Barkley will be either.

 

[tobi]

What all these toffees seem to forget is the major difference between Harry and Lukaku is Harry will be scoring 20+ a season for us for many seasons to come whereas Lukaku is a mercenary who probably wont be there next season, and its doubtful if Barkley will be either.

Why is Lukaku a mercenary?

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Why is Lukaku a mercenary?

You're joking right? He gives an interview every other week about wanting to play in the CL. Loves to flirt with other clubs too.

 

[luRRka]

You're joking right? He gives an interview every other week about wanting to play in the CL. Loves to flirt with other clubs too.

Beat me to it. He mentioned the champions league again today and how he wants to play in it as that is where reputations are made. He also regularly tweets stuff about wanting to play in the champions league. I dont see him getting the opportunity with Everton any time soon

 

[DIEHARD]

I despise Lukaku with a passion. He is like. A bad girlfriend who thinks she is constantly better than you and making you a paranoid that she will or is cheating. He is only in it for himself and just urgh argh urgh

He will be off next season.

PS anyone who keeps disagreeing with my earlier comparison of Barkley v Dele

GRRRRRRRRRRRR

 

[nightgoat]

Alli is far superior to Barkley in assist goal and dribbles whats scary there's much more to come from Alli.

I think Everton are using Barkley wrong and should employ Barkley in a similar role position to Bale.

Don't think Barkley would be much cop at left back, mate.