What our opponents' fans are saying

[DaSpurs]

Hughes has quite a pull on European players thanks to his time at Barca.

Laudrup has quite the playing resume at the same club, but there's no way he could've pulled Shaqiri to Swansea in his time there. There is just simply no way that these clubs could be bringing in the players that they are without the modern TV money. Stoke wouldn't have had the money to even make the purchase, let alone pay the demanded wages, without it.

 

[Hoops]

From a purely EPL-fan standpoint, yes that is true. But for me as a Spurs fan and a fan of other leagues, I don't like what the future holds. We cleverly fought for our position among the elite, and now it seems as if several other clubs have been simply handed a much better opportunity to fight for those positions, and I can't help but resent that a bit.

West Ham would never have been able to attract a player like Payet a few seasons ago. Now, with a government handing them a stadium and broadcasters handing them TV money, their financial pull is now suddenly more than tenfold what it was so recently ago. Personally, I find that rather frustrating after watching our club fight via trial-and-error for a decade to cleverly find a way into the elite positions within the financial means.

No point being bitter. The new TV deal would have made them attractive regardless of the stadium.

 

[Hoops]

Hughes has quite a pull on European players thanks to his time at Barca.

Really? I doubt any of them were alive when he played for Barca.

It more likely Xhaquiri went there because they doubled his 40k a week.

 

[Lilbaz]

No point being bitter. The new TV deal would have made them attractive regardless of the stadium.

It would have gone to paying their debts rather than them selling their stadium.

 

[DaSpurs]

No point being bitter. The new TV deal would have made them attractive regardless of the stadium.

Haha well of course there's no point, but there's very often not much sense in sport fandom is there?

Nonetheless, I don't much fancy the implications of this new money, and that's only one reason. You may think it bollocks after that above point, but the thing that bothers me the most in truth is what this means for the rest of Europe. I don't think one nation having the single most desirable league is a good thing for football as a whole, and while it was likely always going to be inevitable, I think this new deal has sped up that process considerably.

 

[Gb160]

Yeah actually, I quite like the Bundesliga. The style of football is extremely entertaining and the atmospheres are great, and I deem those things as more valuable components of footballing entertainment than who exactly will win the title.

Tbh, no I don't really like how overbearing the wealth is becoming in the EPL. Sure, it's more entertaining if you're only a fan of the EPL, but the difference it's already making and will continue to make on the other leagues is quite stunning. The consequent allure then is great for the EPL, but not for the rest of football on the continent. I think we're only just beginning to see the tip of the iceberg of impact this new TV money will hold.

As for the top four winning it all in the Prem, I think it's quite clear that we set the foundations of our current success well before the TV deals were even on the horizon. We placed immense focus on strong youth development a decade ago, and are only just now reaping the benefits of that. Our success has been bred from careful scrutiny and planning, not TV money splurging. If anything, this money provides more potential for clubs such as West Ham, Southampton, and Everton to better jostle with us for the elite positions rather than it buoys us, especially while we'll be trying to pay off the new stadium.

You raise some valid points but for me, competition is everything....without it the league would just become a procession every year, regardless of the quality of football being played.
Even before this TV deal any team could beat any team.
This is why our league is so popular world wide, it generates the most money because that's what people want to see, competition....not Bayern Munich/Barcelona smashing five or six past 90% of their opposition most weeks.
Each to their own though, but I think you're in the minority with your view of quality over competition.

 

[Lighty64]

From a purely EPL-fan standpoint, yes that is true. But for me as a Spurs fan and a fan of other leagues, I don't like what the future holds. We cleverly fought for our position among the elite, and now it seems as if several other clubs have been simply handed a much better opportunity to fight for those positions, and I can't help but resent that a bit.

West Ham would never have been able to attract a player like Payet a few seasons ago. Now, with a government handing them a stadium and broadcasters handing them TV money, their financial pull is now suddenly more than tenfold what it was so recently ago. Personally, I find that rather frustrating after watching our club fight via trial-and-error for a decade to cleverly find a way into the elite positions within the financial means.

the good thing about the way we have gone about it, with the extra TV money, our debt towards the stadium won't slow us up as much as it did the goons, and with all the extra money coming in from the stadium should help us strengthen.

the Wet Spam situation is very annoying I agree, we will just have to hope they don't become to strong through the charity they have received

 

[DaSpurs]

You raise some valid points but for me, competition is everything....without it the league would just become a procession every year, regardless of the quality of football being played.
Even before this TV deal any team could beat any team.
This is why our league is so popular world wide, it generates the most money because that's what people want to see, competition....not Bayern Munich/Barcelona smashing five or six past 90% of their opposition most weeks.
Each to their own though, but I think you're in the minority with your view of quality over competition.

I would agree with you that I'm in a minority there. As a player for some time myself, I'm more attracted to playing styles than outright club competition, and I'm aware that that is unusual/weird for the typical worldwide fan of the game. I don't want to see the game as a whole harmed for the sake of one league's competition, but that's just me. I love Spurs, immensely so, but I fell in love with this game long before I even knew London had boroughs and named neighborhoods, let alone one named Tottenham

So I can certainly understand why so many appreciate these changes, I just personally don't like the implications they potentially hold for the future of the game.

 

[olliec]

I absolutely hate West Ham fans so much. They are deluded, arrogant and full of themselves. I mean they think Payet is not only better than Modric, but Zidane in his prime. The crazy thing is they probably really believe that. Them getting into CL will be a nightmare and will never hear the end of it. I'll take city and Utd over Woolich and West Ham any day.

I wish I was making it up!

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...m-fans-better-than-zidane-chant-a3098331.html

 

[Hoops]

Haha well of course there's no point, but there's very often not much sense in sport fandom is there?

Nonetheless, I don't much fancy the implications of this new money, and that's only one reason. You may think it bollocks after that above point, but the thing that bothers me the most in truth is what this means for the rest of Europe. I don't think one nation having the single most desirable league is a good thing for football as a whole, and while it was likely always going to be inevitable, I think this new deal has sped up that process considerably.

The deal won't change alot until there is a large pool of homegrown players. The spanish clubs can get a player for 1m that is as good as the English equivalent for 5m. Look at Sterling, Llanna, Carrol, Henderson and so on.

 

[Shadydan]

I absolutely hate West Ham fans so much. They are deluded, arrogant and full of themselves. I mean they think Payet is not only better than Modric, but Zidane in his prime. The crazy thing is they probably really believe that. Them getting into CL will be a nightmare and will never hear the end of it. I'll take city and Utd over Woolich and West Ham any day.

I wish I was making it up!

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...m-fans-better-than-zidane-chant-a3098331.html

They're OBVIOUSLY joking.

 

[olliec]

They're OBVIOUSLY joking.

You shouldn't even joke about that, even if they were. Zidane was untouchable.

 

[kitchen]

The deal won't change alot until there is a large pool of homegrown players. The spanish clubs can get a player for 1m that is as good as the English equivalent for 20m. Look at Sterling, Llanna, Carrol, Henderson and so on.

Fixed your post.

 

[Tucker]

Both Everton and Newcastle were busy splunking big money on several other targets that summer, so I don't think that's necessarily a slight on Payet. Even so, a good French player moving from Marseille to West Ham is still a surprising move by their historical standards. Quite a few people were surprised by the move at the time, and for good reason. Payet moving to West Ham and Shaqiri moving to Stoke are two moves which would never have happened without the influx of TV money into the Prem.

It's not like West Ham haven't been able to spunk money on fairly big signings in the past. Tevez and Mascherano being just two examples. Payet isn't some golden boy of European football, he's someone who never lived up to his vast potential and has spent most of his career in obscurity. Ditto Shaquiri.

It's hardly Klinsmann signing for Spurs is it, so calm down.

 

[EnfieldYiddo]

You shouldn't even joke about that, even if they were. Zidane was untouchable.

What an odd thing to get rustled about.

I don't like West Ham but...?

Surprised you aren't up in arms everytime we sing about being the greatest team the world has ever seen.

 

[olliec]

What an odd thing to get rustled about.

I don't like West Ham but...?

Surprised you aren't up in arms everytime we sing about being the greatest team the world has ever seen.

But we are

 

[DaSpurs]

The deal won't change alot until there is a large pool of homegrown players. The spanish clubs can get a player for 1m that is as good as the English equivalent for 5m. Look at Sterling, Llanna, Carrol, Henderson and so on.

Oh it already has changed much for the rest of Europe. The amount Liverpool paid Hoffenheim for Firmino is more than the entire net worth of several Bundesliga squads. The game has changed with this, and will continue to change as that money multiplies and more players look to England.

 

[DaSpurs]

It's not like West Ham haven't been able to spunk money on fairly big signings in the past. Tevez and Mascherano being just two examples. Payet isn't some golden boy of European football, he's someone who never lived up to his vast potential and has spent most of his career in obscurity. Ditto Shaquiri.

It's hardly Klinsmann signing for Spurs is it, so calm down.

Haha I'm not really sure what I need to "calm down" from. Number of responses to individual responses does not necessarily correlate with animation.

Tevez and Mascherano were quite different, as they were each signed directly from Argentina. That's considerably different than a European player signed from one of the biggest French clubs, and indeed a player who was second to only Messi in successful throughballs in Europe's top five leagues the season before moving to England. No, he's no Klinnsman, but he's nonetheless a move to a club which would not have happened without the TV money. I don't think West Ham would have been able to afford the fee in previous seasons without that money.

The point here though is not to debate the "prestige" of the Payet signing, but rather to point out that this money has changed the landscape of European and even world football. There is simply no debate to that. Whether you view it as a good thing or a bad thing is a valid debate, but not the simple fact that the disproportionate influx of money into EPL clubs will hold significant impact on the market of European football.

 

[Hotspur33]

Bournemouth fan:

after watching spurs twice and leicester twice against AFCB I know which team I think deserves the title, and that team does not include Vardy

I wouldn't be surprised if more fans don't share this opinion. But that is to Leicester's credit. They're style of play leaves opposition teams feeling like they have just been mugged.

 

[dontcallme]

Once again, can you please take these debates to threads where they are relevant. This is a thread for what our opponents fans are saying.

Bournemouth fans, From Vital Football:

Spurs fans...owe us beer and lots of it if they win the league.

My logic:

Played them twice and we haven't even turned up on either occasion. Hence 6 easy points.

And.

Allowed Leicester to take only 2 points from us.

I hope you chaps at the game are being looked after

They were shockingly quiet considering their league position and the score line today

They are a much better team than Leicester and I feel deserve to win the league. Can't believe they are trailing on what I have seen this season.

Well done harry Kane...Now just be honest about your sexuality

No wonder none of our team are included in the England Squad. One step up from normal PL level and we currently can't compete.

Men against Boys

In fairness, this is one of the few games where we've looked completely outclassed. Against the league leaders we matched them and were actually better. Obviously we've beaten Man U and Chelsea. Yeah, Arsenal, Man City and Spurs have looked a lot better than us, but that's not a bad effort for a first season.

Spurs have been very good, but the biggest difference is in the full backs and pressing. Smith and Daniels are being pinned back by Spurs and as a result we look really limited going forward. And we are playing into their hands somewhat by dropping deeper because of their pressing.

Beaten by a better team. Simple.

One side playing in the top flight for the first time, the other competing for the PL title and only just knocked in the quarter finals of the Europa League.

The result wasn't a surprise, we move on to the next game.

fook me that was a lesson from the champions elect

The good thing about our recent results is that it allowed us to go there and try rather than shut up shop which doesn't suit us at all.

Ok, it failed miserably but the point about being an open and attacking side is that, unless you're the best side in the league which we are a long way from, there will be times we set up like that and get punished.

You just have to roll with those punches and go again in the next game.

Spurs were superb. I think the hardest thing about today was knowing that finally some of our club's finest servants have hit that glass ceiling and if we want to push on we're slowly going to begin replacing them.