What Should We Do ?

[mrlilywhite]

To compete with Chelsea and City, You need to spend like them and we don't have that. Levy won't break the wage structure and rightly so, As we would drop like Leeds did years ago, I know your all passionate and I know none of you want that. You can however compete by implementing some stability and working towards a project that works with-in the ethos of our club. We need to start again and rip through the core of the club and start by putting in a structure that enables every part of the club to function with precision, Right now we are a dis-functioning club at every level and that is expressed through the pitch. The one true denominator in this is Levy and ENIC and this is not just my opinion, This is fact. If you want a perfect model to copy then you look at clubs like Barca, Arsenal and until recently Man utd. Those clubs have a defined path and dedicated system which they always work towards, Sometimes it does not work but they continue regardless, As more often than not it is a winning formula. Man utd's success was built on stability, There was never a transition period from one manager to the next. The only thing that stops Arsenal from having the same type of success is the teams like City and Chelsea, Think of a league with-out them and arsenal would be running away with it this year. for every team that spends millions and millions there will always be transition in that club, But that don't apply to them because money buy's out their problems. We can not afford to think like that, As much as you might hate it, We have to copy the blue print laid down by the likes of Arsenal.

 

[TheSpillage]

To compete with Chelsea and City, You need to spend like them and we don't have that. Levy won't break the wage structure and rightly so, As we would drop like Leeds did years ago, I know your all passionate and I know none of you want that. You can however compete by implementing some stability and working towards a project that works with-in the ethos of our club. We need to start again and rip through the core of the club and start by putting in a structure that enables every part of the club to function with precision, Right now we are a dis-functioning club at every level and that is expressed through the pitch. The one true denominator in this is Levy and ENIC and this is not just my opinion, This is fact. If you want a perfect model to copy then you look at clubs like Barca, Arsenal and until recently Man utd. Those clubs have a defined path and dedicated system which they always work towards, Sometimes it does not work but they continue regardless, As more often than not it is a winning formula. Man utd's success was built on stability, There was never a transition period from one manager to the next. The only thing that stops Arsenal from having the same type of success is the teams like City and Chelsea, Think of a league with-out them and arsenal would be running away with it this year. for every team that spends millions and millions there will always be transition in that club, But that don't apply to them because money buy's out their problems. We can not afford to think like that, As much as you might hate it, We have to copy the blue print laid down by the likes of Arsenal.

It's a lovely point but I'm not sure it belongs in this thread. We're trying to have a conversation about corrupt officials here for crying loud

 

[Gambler]

I think it has happened so many times that the players are just resigned to giving up when it happens again. These lads are not mentally strong enough to cope (despite the away record we have).

The away record is great but the record against the current top 4 is dismal

 

[jimtheyid]

What a joke. The players need to take some responsibility. Not capitulate like little children who didnt get their own way.

Fuck them all off. Gutless ****s.

 

[ilikeost]

Sorry mate, I was more talking about these shocking decisions in big games that always go against us.
Does anyone believe it's coincidence anymore ?

I'll have whatever you are smoking.

 

[Hoddle&Waddle]

There's no doubt Ref's get intimidated by the bigger name Managers like Fergie, Mourinho ect ect.

What makes this particularly disgusting is that it has cost a young English Manager his job.

 

[worcestersauce]

A quick question, Kaboul got a red card that our players, with only minimal comment, accepted; does anyone think, had it been the other way, that the chelsea players would have accepted it so easily?

 

[Macspur261]

I'll have whatever you are smoking.

Golden Virginia, rollups.
I'd send you one, but I can't , I smoked it : )

 

[fortworthspur]

A quick question, Kaboul got a red card that our players, with only minimal comment, accepted; does anyone think, had it been the other way, that the chelsea players would have accepted it so easily?

no. where was our captain in all that? I remember Rio Ferdinand running up and shouting in the refs face until United got their way with the bullshit Nani goal a few years ago. I remember Coles studs up challenge on the Scottish FB (cant remember his name) as well.

 

[Macspur261]

Scum and Liverpool to play, let's have a sweepstake in a totally fair and unpredictable game like PL football.
Hugo will get sent off in one of them.
Well I never, when will the shock horror end ?

 

[UncleBuck]

The referee isn't the problem though, the referee is always right. He's applying the law in a fraction of a second and often from a restricted vantage point, his decision is final and no amount of arguing from players will change his mind.
The ire should be directed towards Eto'o and all the players and commentators who either commit, condone or say nothing against simulation, not the referees who have a shit job that is made massively harder by arsehole footballers.

You can think that the officials are in the pockets of the billionaires or that there is some plot against us if you want but let me know if you do because I'll make an investment in aluminium before you go and clear out sainsburys of bacofoil

And there is always one constant.....video technology. We seem to have this discussion every couple of weeks in relation to decisions for and against us. Decisions are made by officials every weekend that leave supporters, managers and critics bewildered!
Unfortunately these decisions seem to favour the bigger clubs nearly all the time. Conspiracy theory? Officials in awe of bigger teams? Scared? I don't know anymore, the one thing I do know is that for a sport that is so eager to chase the money and claims to be innovative I find it amazing that technology is not used as it is in other sports. It's almost like football has delusions of grandeur over every other sport on the planet.
That is the real problem and that is why people are so disillusioned with football, especially clubs that are supposedly 'inferior' to the jewels in the EPL crown as they always end up with a custard pie in their face.

 

[TheSpillage]

A quick question, Kaboul got a red card that our players, with only minimal comment, accepted; does anyone think, had it been the other way, that the chelsea players would have accepted it so easily?

Perhaps not, who knows? If it had been the other way round and their player had been sent off then there would've been nothing they could of done about it, no matter how much they protested.

Are you asking whether we feel that player's reactions potentially influence refs decisions in the long term? ie. that because we don't normally swarm the refs they're more likely to give decisions against us; but because they do, refs are less likely to give them against them.

I very much doubt it. But would be interested if anyone had anything to back it up.

 

[Lufti]

You make your own luck. The bottom line is we're not good enough for the level we want. Do we expect it or draw another long term plan.

You don't make your own luck. It wouldn't be luck then would it?

 

[KingKay]

For the first time ever i walked out of the room during a Spurs game. I really don't see the point in sitting there and getting wound up by it anymore.The frequency with which we get fucked over as a club is truly outstanding. Are we cursed? In all seriousness, something is fundamentally wrong within the club, we need a no nonsense manager to bring about the complete cultural overhaul that has been necessary for decades. Enough is enough, i'm sick and tired of being second best. It's no coincidence that we're always on the receiving end of shite decisions, we're too nice.

 

[TheSpillage]

no. where was our captain in all that? I remember Rio Ferdinand running up and shouting in the refs face until United got their way with the bullshit Nani goal a few years ago. I remember Coles studs up challenge on the Scottish FB (cant remember his name) as well.

Yes and we all thought he was a dick for it. Do we want Dawson doing that? Would that make us happy?

 

[worcestersauce]

Perhaps not, who knows? If it had been the other way round and their player had been sent off then there would've been nothing they could of done about it, no matter how much they protested.

Are you asking whether we feel that player's reactions potentially influence refs decisions in the long term? ie. that because we don't normally swarm the refs they're more likely to give decisions against us; but because they do, refs are less likely to give them against them.

I very much doubt it. But would be interested if anyone had anything to back it up.

I am asking the question, you seem to think not, I have seen no evidence that they wouldn't.

 

[$herringham]

Anyone who thinks Man Utd, Chelsea and now City too get weak decisions in their favour is seriously deluded. Or maybe I'm deluded thinking they do. Either way, one of us is deluded. So to conclude, "decisions" is a crappy excuse for losing unless you were actually going to get a win or even scrape a draw. No way on earth would we have got anything from today's game even with 11 men and no penalty given against Kaboul. Not when ours defenders were playing superb passes and throughballs to their strikers. Tactics were pretty good to be honest but I saw no intention of "playing to win" today. 4-0 was harsh but defeat was deserved

 

[worcestersauce]

Yes and we all thought he was a dick for it. Do we want Dawson doing that? Would that make us happy?

Yes if it wad advantageous to us although there is a variety of reactions between that and doing nothing.

 

[KingKay]

The sad thing is i'm not even blaming the referee's anymore. It goes far deeper than that, we lack a cutting edge, 'win at all costs' mentality.

 

[TheSpillage]

I am asking the question, you seem to think not, I have seen no evidence that they wouldn't.

Well, I think maybe the Chelsea players would've protested more.

But I was just trying to coax a point out of you. Yes, they may have protested more. What is your point?