What to do with Danny Rose?

[C0YS]

Meh, I'm not a fan of judging people by their childhood/teens. Most kids are twats really. The fact he was an arrogant cocky kid is not a big expose. I firmly remember reading his outrageously arrogant bebo profile when he first signed. But he was a kid.

He's done good things and bad things. But he has shown good character traits. His work in helping young players is commendable and his public statements on mental health could have inspired people to get the help they need.

So, I'm not going to make broad sweeping judgements based on a few comments of character.

I mean, it's clear he isn't, shall we say, the most diplomatic of people, based on past behaviour, but I don't like this urge some people have to define players as being one thing or another.

Frankly, societies need to define people in black and white is toxic. Being Human fundamentally doesn't work that way.

 

[Locotoro]

Meh, I'm not a fan of judging people by their childhood/teens. Most kids are twats really. The fact he was an arrogant cocky kid is not a big expose. I firmly remember reading his outrageously arrogant bebo profile when he first signed. But he was a kid.

He's done good things and bad things. But he has shown good character traits. His work in helping young players is commendable and his public statements on mental health could have inspired people to get the help they need.

So, I'm not going to make broad sweeping judgements based on a few comments of character.

I mean, it's clear he isn't, shall we say, the most diplomatic of people, based on past behaviour, but I don't like this urge some people have to define players as being one thing or another.

Frankly, societies need to define people in black and white is toxic. Being Human fundamentally doesn't work that way.

I agree wholeheartedly with your post. My experiences of meeting and interacting with him were first hand and not a single one pleasant.

But to your point, when you are revered by many and considered a hero to some due to your sporting prowess and earn a living based on that fandom then I think you become game for people to correct the perspective held on you.

 

[riggi]

Didn’t like that chat he had with Mourinho. Chucked his team mates under the bus.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Not sure if this is true but I read that he might be given a contract at Tottenham and will play as an over age player in u21a and coach as well which apparently is useful for the Home Grown content which according to some is an issue - not sure if its been mentioned anywhere or the relevance of it but I did see it I am sure others have a lot more knowledge of the home grown business

 

[Bluto Blutarsky]

Not sure if this is true but I read that he might be given a contract at Tottenham and will play as an over age player in u21a and coach as well which apparently is useful for the Home Grown content which according to some is an issue - not sure if its been mentioned anywhere or the relevance of it but I did see it I am sure others have a lot more knowledge of the home grown business

if he is not playing for the 1st team - his HG status is of no importance whatsoever.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

if he is not playing for the 1st team - his HG status is of no importance whatsoever.

can''t pretend I know anything about quotas but surely you only have to be registered as a player - what I read suggested that Liverpool did the same thing with one of their coaches also an ex Liverpool youth player Tony Spearing

 

[spids]

can''t pretend I know anything about quotas but surely you only have to be registered as a player - what I read suggested that Liverpool did the same thing with one of their coaches also an ex Liverpool youth player Tony Spearing

Maybe you should read up on it as you’re very wide of the mark.

in a nutshell, you can only name 17 players in your PL or CL squad who are not Club or association trained. It really isn’t a major problem if we’re happy to omit the likes of Ndombele, Lo Celso and Reguilon and loan out Sarr and Gil. Signing a home grown player is only beneficial if they will be a contributing member of first team match day squads, and it is safe to say Rose will not be playing for our first team ever again. Great player 5 years ago. Loyal and out spoken. But our best hope is that he is a good coach to the U21s.

 

[McFlash]

Yeah, I have to say that while I don't mind him training with us (I like the club helping ex players), I don't really want him taking up a place that could be benefitting our youngsters.
Training, fine but playing for the youth teams can fuck right off!

 

[Locotoro]

Training to maintain fitness should be fine but imagine our youth Left backs looking forward to a season of development only to be left on the bench for an overage former player looking to wind down his career

 

[ralphs bald spot]

Maybe you should read up on it as you’re very wide of the mark.

in a nutshell, you can only name 17 players in your PL or CL squad who are not Club or association trained. It really isn’t a major problem if we’re happy to omit the likes of Ndombele, Lo Celso and Reguilon and loan out Sarr and Gil. Signing a home grown player is only beneficial if they will be a contributing member of first team match day squads, and it is safe to say Rose will not be playing for our first team ever again. Great player 5 years ago. Loyal and out spoken. But our best hope is that he is a good coach to the U21s.

sounds about right but I have read on here more that once about quotas and was passing something that I read - not something that I have any interest in to be honest I leave that to others to worry about

Rose played for U21s again on Saturday so I did think that there could be some substance to the story as for contributing member of the first team match day squad we have had players playing who have never managed that

 

[Blake Griffin]

lb isn't a particularly strong area of the u21s at the moment so i don't think danny would be blocking anyone that we have high hopes for, the trade off of having an experienced player around the other kids is probably worth it.

 

[mr ashley]

To be honest, I’m quite wary about having him back on the scene.
Based on how things ended at Watford (shouting abuse at ranieri across the training ground), then I’d worry that his influence on younger players could be very negative.
It’s not like he was able to behave in front of the Watford academy squad so why would that change here?

 

[EQP]

To be honest, I’m quite wary about having him back on the scene.
Based on how things ended at Watford (shouting abuse at ranieri across the training ground), then I’d worry that his influence on younger players could be very negative.
It’s not like he was able to behave in front of the Watford academy squad so why would that change here?

I do remember Danny actually doing a ton of stuff with the academy players in terms of helping them improve. There was a photo of him showing up to I believe the last game of the season for the U23's to impart some knowledge and just support them, even when he was no longer with the club.

'The side people don't see of Danny Rose' - How Spurs mishandled one of their modern legends

Whether in dealing with Rose, Pochettino or the European Super League, Spurs have developed an unwavering knack for misreading the public mood

inews.co.uk

There can be no denying he is no longer the left-back he once was and a devastating knee injury four years ago effectively spelled the end of his very best form.

Perhaps where Tottenham went wrong was in supposing he had no more to offer. Elliot Thorpe was among the Spurs youngsters to pay tribute to Rose, the 20-year-old writing: “It’s sad that people will never know how much Danny did for all of us young players.

“The most professional and humble player I’ve ever met & a great guy I could go to for anything! Thank you Danny, you’ll be missed by all of us.”

Samuel Peter Cox, meanwhile, who plays for Hampton & Richmond Borough but also works as a coach at Spurs’ academy, added: “The side people don’t see of Danny Rose. Despite no involvement with the first team this season and playing and training with the u23’s, Dan has been nothing short of a role model for all of our young players, showing leadership, humility and a great attitude throughout.

“Even despite coming to the end of his contract, he still turned up to watch our young academy players last night at the stadium and give them some priceless advice after the game. A top professional and a top human being who will be missed. Love my brother.”

Clearly, there are those within the club who still value Rose highly, but just as with the failure to heed the defender’s warnings, the sacking of Pochettino, and the botched European Super League project, the board badly misread the room.

 

[mr ashley]

I do remember Danny actually doing a ton of stuff with the academy players in terms of helping them improve. There was a photo of him showing up to I believe the last game of the season for the U23's to impart some knowledge and just support them, even when he was no longer with the club.

'The side people don't see of Danny Rose' - How Spurs mishandled one of their modern legends

Whether in dealing with Rose, Pochettino or the European Super League, Spurs have developed an unwavering knack for misreading the public mood

inews.co.uk

There can be no denying he is no longer the left-back he once was and a devastating knee injury four years ago effectively spelled the end of his very best form.

Perhaps where Tottenham went wrong was in supposing he had no more to offer. Elliot Thorpe was among the Spurs youngsters to pay tribute to Rose, the 20-year-old writing: “It’s sad that people will never know how much Danny did for all of us young players.

“The most professional and humble player I’ve ever met & a great guy I could go to for anything! Thank you Danny, you’ll be missed by all of us.”

Samuel Peter Cox, meanwhile, who plays for Hampton & Richmond Borough but also works as a coach at Spurs’ academy, added: “The side people don’t see of Danny Rose. Despite no involvement with the first team this season and playing and training with the u23’s, Dan has been nothing short of a role model for all of our young players, showing leadership, humility and a great attitude throughout.

“Even despite coming to the end of his contract, he still turned up to watch our young academy players last night at the stadium and give them some priceless advice after the game. A top professional and a top human being who will be missed. Love my brother.”

Clearly, there are those within the club who still value Rose highly, but just as with the failure to heed the defender’s warnings, the sacking of Pochettino, and the botched European Super League project, the board badly misread the room.

I get that but what do you learn when you see your experienced club pro giving the manager dogs abuse in full view of everyone (as happened at Watford)?

 

[Goobers]

From my perspective, he gas given us great service and whilst loyalty is always questioned in the modern game amongst the players that is always a 2 way street.
I know that there remains stories about his relationship slightly souring with the hierarchy at the club latter in his time at the cub as his player and I don't know how much that has affected things.
For me, I would love to think we would chat to Danny about what he wanted and offered to help him forge that - whether that be getting fit for another shot at a different club or to help him in his ambition in coaching if that is what he wants.

 

[EQP]

I get that but what do you learn when you see your experienced club pro giving the manager dogs abuse in full view of everyone (as happened at Watford)?

I don't know the full context of that situation, so I can't speak on that. What I will say is Danny Rose has been Danny Rose all his career, so he is rough around the edges in some areas. Maybe the academy players get to learn what NOT to do in that instance or Danny puts his hands up and owns up to his part in that incident and is able to reflect on how he should have handled it. He wears his heart on his sleeve and right or wrong, has a habit of speaking and reacting without fully considering the impact.

What can kids learn from him? A lot. The mere fact that he's back at Spurs and he's allowed to interact with the academy players and even feature for the U21's, tells me a lot about the goodwill and relationships he has with the backroom staff and players.

 

[mr ashley]

I don't know the full context of that situation, so I can't speak on that. What I will say is Danny Rose has been Danny Rose all his career, so he is rough around the edges in some areas. Maybe the academy players get to learn what NOT to do in that instance or Danny puts his hands up and owns up to his part in that incident and is able to reflect on how he should have handled it. He wears his heart on his sleeve and right or wrong, has a habit of speaking and reacting without fully considering the impact.

What can kids learn from him? A lot. The mere fact that he's back at Spurs and he's allowed to interact with the academy players and even feature for the U21's, tells me a lot about the goodwill and relationships he has with the backroom staff and players.

So, as I’ve been told by someone who was there, near the end of training one day at Watford during Ranieris brief tenure, Danny went off on one at the boss.
As they walked off Danny was shouting and swearing at ranieri - all the way in from the field to the building. Didn’t stop.
now I know people have arguments all the time at raining but apparently this one took all the staff aback at the language directed at the manager, the volume and in front of the whole squad.

Suffice to say he was cut from the PL squad and made to train with the u23s at first, then the u18s

In the end they got him to train alone.

Now I know Watford is a car crash of a club but still….

He’s clearly a marmite character

 

[Locotoro]

So, as I’ve been told by someone who was there, near the end of training one day at Watford during Ranieris brief tenure, Danny went off on one at the boss.
As they walked off Danny was shouting and swearing at ranieri - all the way in from the field to the building. Didn’t stop.
now I know people have arguments all the time at raining but apparently this one took all the staff aback at the language directed at the manager, the volume and in front of the whole squad.

Suffice to say he was cut from the PL squad and made to train with the u23s at first, then the u18s

In the end they got him to train alone.

Now I know Watford is a car crash of a club but still….

He’s clearly a marmite character

Maybe he wanted more experience coaching the academy players.

In truth I would not be in favour of bringing him back. It would be like giving more project work to that coworker who always rubs people up the wrong way but never seems to get the sack for his attitude.

There are other former spurs that would be better suited to imparting their knowledge on our youth and even if we're not especially stacked at LB if I was that player I'd still see it as a kick in the teeth