What will become of Pav...

[mattdefoe]

just read this same thread on ozspurs, and you created it to ozspur1!! No idea about pav, was supposed to be the direct replacement for berba. Strange one

 

[mackay59]

Its just the sort of competition for places an ambitious club needs.It is part reason for our strikers doing well at the moment and yes ... Pavvy will get chances sooner rather than later - carling cup and injuries will see to that.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I don't really go for this idea that a player might deserve a chance. I think it's up to him to prove his worth. At the moment we're top of the league with a perfect start and our best since '61. It's hard to see 'Arry changing a winning team so we can see what Pavlyuchenko might be able to do, and I think he's right in that respect.

By all means start him at Doncaster though, give him the full 90 minutes with Crouch alongside him. That's a chance to keep the players currently on the fringes of the first team, like Pavlyuchenko and O'Hara, sharp(ish) should we need them later on.

Could not agree more with that sentence, there is a myth that goes around about so called players "not getting a chance" but the point is you play your strongest team and the other players are subs, simples.

Pav didn't set the world on fire last season, all this crap about him being tired etc, I'm sure if he was that noticeable tired then he would have been given time off to recuperate by the coaching staff, rather than them hammering him into the ground just for the sake of it. He showed some flashes of very good quality, but to be honest in answer to the question that this thread asks, Pav's future is firmly in his own hands, as with Bentley, GDS, Jenas etc, if they impress with attitude, training etc they will get their chance.

 

[SpurSince57]

just read this same thread on ozspurs, and you created it to ozspur1!! No idea about pav, was supposed to be the direct replacement for berba. Strange one

So we all assumed, not unreasonably. However, it transpires that we assumed wrong.

 

[mattyspurs]

I hope he stays.

Hopefully he will get a chance to prove himself.

In a selfish sort of way, I hope he doesn't get a chance to prov himself, because it means that Keane and Defoe will have continued what they have already started :grin:

 

[kaz Hirai]

he'll play wednesday, if he is on fire and scores a hatrick, can harry bring on crouch against brum instead of pav? and if pav comes on and scores and looks great against brum can he afford to leave him out?

these are the chances players at big clubs with lots of compitetion must take

 

[SpurSince57]

What will happen to Pav? Depends on whether Roma stump up the readies, I suppose.

 

[YEAST]

solskjaer was a key player at united, even when he spent most of the time on the bench, its impossible to count the amount of times he came on and scored to get them out of trouble.. champions league final being the biggest

but the strange thing was that he was usually total shit when he started until he started playing right wing more often

 

[spursandbarca]

i would like to sell him and buy eidur guhdjonson

 

[defoe18]

Looks like he wants out

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...avlyuchenko-admits-I-want-leave.html?ITO=1490

 

[ossibissa]

I'm hoping harry has a master plan that involves the Pav later in the season.

 

[punky]

Its not out of the question that we'd have 1 or 2 injuries in our front line and really need our second-string strikers. Are they going to be happy to wait for the opportunity?

 

[gibbs131]

He wants to leave. He said he does not want to sit on the bench.

I do not want his awful movement in the Spurs team. Hell of a shot on him but if the defenders read him so easily he is not going to get many off.

 

[joey55]

He's had chance to prove himself. We've seen he's a good finisher, but we could have learned that just by watching a youtube clip form when he was in Russia. I think the problems he'll always have is that he isn't a real physical presence and he's not quick either. These things wont change, so I don't accept the argument he needs a chance to prove himself or adapt to the English game. I think if he is to be a success, he'll have to start dropping deeper and linking the play as he did against Olympiakos. That to me was his most impressive performance. I think he'll have to become a totally different sort of player to make it in the Prem. A number 10, as oppossed to a number 9. But I'm not sure he's good enough for that role. From what I've seen he's no Bergkamp or Sheringham, but he did show signs of being able to play that role in the Olympiakos game.

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Learn from Drogba. He was baited for 2 years as a dud, a lemon who wasn't up to the standard of the premiership. Look at the boy go now. Patience goes a long way when it comes to talent.

Pav needs to be involved and i hate to think (though i do suspect) that Harrys love affair with the Lamppost might prevent that happening, even if Pav's in good form. My confidence was bouyed slightly by the news that he was intending to use Long in the Hull match but kept Keane as he's on form instead, but the one thing that has worried me from the very first rumour we were going to sign the twig-beast is this slightly odd obsession Twitchy has with the lad.

Pav has a lot of talent, he works tirelessly but has yet to find the exact page our midfield are on. With Keane next to him, i think he can at least be confident that he's got a solid partner who will at least try and accomodate him, but he's often caught a pace short on crosses, or turning on the wrong side to beat his man.

As i said, learn from Drogba. Don't write him off until he's had a fair crack of the whip in a relatively settled team, under a manager with entirely different ideas, at a club that has just re-furbished it's entire setup.

 

[joey55]

Learn from Drogba. He was baited for 2 years as a dud, a lemon who wasn't up to the standard of the premiership. Look at the boy go now. Patience goes a long way when it comes to talent.

Pav needs to be involved and i hate to think (though i do suspect) that Harrys love affair with the Lamppost might prevent that happening, even if Pav's in good form. My confidence was bouyed slightly by the news that he was intending to use Long in the Hull match but kept Keane as he's on form instead, but the one thing that has worried me from the very first rumour we were going to sign the twig-beast is this slightly odd obsession Twitchy has with the lad.

Pav has a lot of talent, he works tirelessly but has yet to find the exact page our midfield are on. With Keane next to him, i think he can at least be confident that he's got a solid partner who will at least try and accomodate him, but he's often caught a pace short on crosses, or turning on the wrong side to beat his man.

As i said, learn from Drogba. Don't write him off until he's had a fair crack of the whip in a relatively settled team, under a manager with entirely different ideas, at a club that has just re-furbished it's entire setup.

This is alway mentioned, but it's exaggearted and also the problem was never Drogba, but those judging him. The reason Drogba suddenly got hailed in his third season was becasue he scored more goals. But that is because he played more games and Chelsea went 442, so he had a striker partner. If you look at his goals per minute stats, there is hardly any difference thorughout his Chelse career. Also in his second season he made the highest amount of assists in the Prem. His strike rate in his first 2 seasons (in which Chelsea won the Prem both times) was superior to his last 2 seasons. Of the top 10 goals scorers in the Prem, during Drogba's first season, only Henry had a better strike rate (not including pens)! In football, the media and fans will never admit that they judged a player poorly. It's always a case of the player improving, rather than those making judgements admitting they were wrong. A great strike rate, great assist rate and 2 Prem Champions medals should be enough to convince people the Drogba was never a dud.

 

[SpurSince57]

Even on very crude statistics, Drogba's 10/26 in his first season was altogether better than Pav's 5/28. He's also a good deal faster than Pav and far more physically intimidating. Pav's figure of seven assist attempts (Crouch had 51) was just plain laughable and suggests there's little hope he can re-invent himself as a Teddy or Bergkamp.

 

[joey55]

Even on very crude statistics, Drogba's 10/26 in his first season was altogether better than Pav's 5/28. He's also a good deal faster than Pav and far more physically intimidating. Pav's figure of seven assist attempts (Crouch had 51) was just plain laughable and suggests there's little hope he can re-invent himself as a Teddy or Bergkamp.

But didn't you think he played alot better against Olympiakos than he normally does? I thought playing deeper suited him and he did create chances that day.

 

[arail11]

The Times Journalist Gary Jacob said this earlier during his Live Transfer Window Webchat:

1:37
[Comment From Jon M]
Pavlychenko being linked to Man UTD as an option to partner Rooney - any thoughts?
Gary: I spoke to Pavs agent and he is staying.

 

[SpurSince57]

But didn't you think he played alot better against Olympiakos than he normally does? I thought playing deeper suited him and he did create chances that day.

I did, but then Olympiakos were pretty hopeless.