When will AVB, just get a break?

[AngerManagement]

We will get better, once everyone is back from injury, then we will have a good side, if DL makes a couple of very good purchases in Jan, then we could have a very good side, lets all get behind the team and hope..

If he had done that in the summer we would have potentially too

If he had brought in a striker in the Jan transfer window we probably would have had CL football, probably the same the Jan before that

each transfer window closes with us saying if only this and if only that and this window will close with us saying the same

 

[Olympian]

An Arsenal fan on F365:

"I think AVB actually deserves credit for Saturday, not derision.

He set Spurs out initially to attack Arsenal and it worked. Spurs won the first 15 minutes decisively. Then Adebayor happened. AVB has no control over this bloke being an idiot - you can argue he shouldn't have picked him but his skills were perfect for the tactics he wanted to play (and there are no other options since 'Arry got shot of Pav) and you have to trust your players, even that one. Spurs are then down to ten, having lost a player very important to their tactical set-up, and once Arsenal's pressure builds they capitulate to be 3-1 down at half time.

So what to do? You're 3-1 down, a man down and all looks lost. Many, many managers would just shut up shop to keep it respectable. But he changed things tactically and tried to get back into the game. It nearly worked. I remarked at 4-2 that 'only gooners would be sh*tting themselves at 4-2 up against 10 men..' but the response I had to that was 'I'd forgotten they were down to ten...' The switch to three at the back, maintaining four in midfield and two up top was bold, brave and could have worked, indeed I would say Spurs looked comfortable for the majority of the second half. I think AVB should be lauded for having the man-bits to even try it.

The score might have been the same but this 5-2 was very different to February's. Spurs did fall apart then. They had no tactical leadership from the sidelines and went from 2-0 to 2-2 at half-time when the manager can take action, to 5-2. Five goals unanswered straddling the half-time team talk. They stayed in the game this time, got a goal back and, had Bale shown any sort of vision when Defoe was free in the six-yard box, might have got it back to 4-3. Perilously close to DVD territory for my liking.

So history will show only the scoreline, and it is one I am very happy about. But, Spurs fans out there, consider the differences between this time and February. And ask yourselves if you want a proactive manager, prepared to try to win a game even when all looks lost, or not. If AVB is given time I am genuinely fearful of Spurs' future prospects. I hope no patience is shown. Out by Christmas and replaced by Mark Hughes? Yeah...go on, I'll bite your hand off."​

 

[parklane1]

An Arsenal fan on F365:​

​

"I think AVB actually deserves credit for Saturday, not derision.​

​

He set Spurs out initially to attack Arsenal and it worked. Spurs won the first 15 minutes decisively. Then Adebayor happened. AVB has no control over this bloke being an idiot - you can argue he shouldn't have picked him but his skills were perfect for the tactics he wanted to play (and there are no other options since 'Arry got shot of Pav) and you have to trust your players, even that one. Spurs are then down to ten, having lost a player very important to their tactical set-up, and once Arsenal's pressure builds they capitulate to be 3-1 down at half time.​

​

So what to do? You're 3-1 down, a man down and all looks lost. Many, many managers would just shut up shop to keep it respectable. But he changed things tactically and tried to get back into the game. It nearly worked. I remarked at 4-2 that 'only gooners would be sh*tting themselves at 4-2 up against 10 men..' but the response I had to that was 'I'd forgotten they were down to ten...' The switch to three at the back, maintaining four in midfield and two up top was bold, brave and could have worked, indeed I would say Spurs looked comfortable for the majority of the second half. I think AVB should be lauded for having the man-bits to even try it.​

​

The score might have been the same but this 5-2 was very different to February's. Spurs did fall apart then. They had no tactical leadership from the sidelines and went from 2-0 to 2-2 at half-time when the manager can take action, to 5-2. Five goals unanswered straddling the half-time team talk. They stayed in the game this time, got a goal back and, had Bale shown any sort of vision when Defoe was free in the six-yard box, might have got it back to 4-3. Perilously close to DVD territory for my liking.​

​

So history will show only the scoreline, and it is one I am very happy about. But, Spurs fans out there, consider the differences between this time and February. And ask yourselves if you want a proactive manager, prepared to try to win a game even when all looks lost, or not. If AVB is given time I am genuinely fearful of Spurs' future prospects. I hope no patience is shown. Out by Christmas and replaced by Mark Hughes? Yeah...go on, I'll bite your hand off."​

if that really is a Arse fan then he is showing more insight into the game then some of the Spurs knee-jerkers.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

if that really is a Arse fan then he is showing more insight into the game then some of the Spurs knee-jerkers.

Spurs fans would rather just spit their dummies out than look at the game from a balanced perspective.

 

[Montasura]

An Arsenal fan on F365:​

​

"I think AVB actually deserves credit for Saturday, not derision.​

​

He set Spurs out initially to attack Arsenal and it worked. Spurs won the first 15 minutes decisively. Then Adebayor happened. AVB has no control over this bloke being an idiot - you can argue he shouldn't have picked him but his skills were perfect for the tactics he wanted to play (and there are no other options since 'Arry got shot of Pav) and you have to trust your players, even that one. Spurs are then down to ten, having lost a player very important to their tactical set-up, and once Arsenal's pressure builds they capitulate to be 3-1 down at half time.​

​

So what to do? You're 3-1 down, a man down and all looks lost. Many, many managers would just shut up shop to keep it respectable. But he changed things tactically and tried to get back into the game. It nearly worked. I remarked at 4-2 that 'only gooners would be sh*tting themselves at 4-2 up against 10 men..' but the response I had to that was 'I'd forgotten they were down to ten...' The switch to three at the back, maintaining four in midfield and two up top was bold, brave and could have worked, indeed I would say Spurs looked comfortable for the majority of the second half. I think AVB should be lauded for having the man-bits to even try it.​

​

The score might have been the same but this 5-2 was very different to February's. Spurs did fall apart then. They had no tactical leadership from the sidelines and went from 2-0 to 2-2 at half-time when the manager can take action, to 5-2. Five goals unanswered straddling the half-time team talk. They stayed in the game this time, got a goal back and, had Bale shown any sort of vision when Defoe was free in the six-yard box, might have got it back to 4-3. Perilously close to DVD territory for my liking.​

​

So history will show only the scoreline, and it is one I am very happy about. But, Spurs fans out there, consider the differences between this time and February. And ask yourselves if you want a proactive manager, prepared to try to win a game even when all looks lost, or not. If AVB is given time I am genuinely fearful of Spurs' future prospects. I hope no patience is shown. Out by Christmas and replaced by Mark Hughes? Yeah...go on, I'll bite your hand off."​

It galls me to say it, but my hand goes out to that Arsenal fan. IMO he has it spot on and exactly how I saw things.

Thise one post should be copied and pasted into every kneejerk thread going around at the moment, Christ just sticky it to the front page!!!!

 

[parklane1]

Spurs would rather just spit their dummies out than look at the game from a balanced perspective.

Some Spurs fans do just that.

 

[ultimateloner]

An Arsenal fan on F365:​

​

"I think AVB actually deserves credit for Saturday, not derision.​

​

He set Spurs out initially to attack Arsenal and it worked. Spurs won the first 15 minutes decisively. Then Adebayor happened. AVB has no control over this bloke being an idiot - you can argue he shouldn't have picked him but his skills were perfect for the tactics he wanted to play (and there are no other options since 'Arry got shot of Pav) and you have to trust your players, even that one. Spurs are then down to ten, having lost a player very important to their tactical set-up, and once Arsenal's pressure builds they capitulate to be 3-1 down at half time.​

​

So what to do? You're 3-1 down, a man down and all looks lost. Many, many managers would just shut up shop to keep it respectable. But he changed things tactically and tried to get back into the game. It nearly worked. I remarked at 4-2 that 'only gooners would be sh*tting themselves at 4-2 up against 10 men..' but the response I had to that was 'I'd forgotten they were down to ten...' The switch to three at the back, maintaining four in midfield and two up top was bold, brave and could have worked, indeed I would say Spurs looked comfortable for the majority of the second half. I think AVB should be lauded for having the man-bits to even try it.​

​

The score might have been the same but this 5-2 was very different to February's. Spurs did fall apart then. They had no tactical leadership from the sidelines and went from 2-0 to 2-2 at half-time when the manager can take action, to 5-2. Five goals unanswered straddling the half-time team talk. They stayed in the game this time, got a goal back and, had Bale shown any sort of vision when Defoe was free in the six-yard box, might have got it back to 4-3. Perilously close to DVD territory for my liking.​

​

So history will show only the scoreline, and it is one I am very happy about. But, Spurs fans out there, consider the differences between this time and February. And ask yourselves if you want a proactive manager, prepared to try to win a game even when all looks lost, or not. If AVB is given time I am genuinely fearful of Spurs' future prospects. I hope no patience is shown. Out by Christmas and replaced by Mark Hughes? Yeah...go on, I'll bite your hand off."​

As someone else has noted (PT/Mr Pink?) too much credit is given to 'try attacking and fail'. With a team of our quality (even after accounting for injuries etc) the scoreline is not acceptable. Would Stoke/West Ham have lost by that margin (no). Are we better than Stoke/West Ham with THIS team on paper (yes). So why the applause? We need to judge by results/performance, not intent. Fact is we have under achieved for 4 straight weeks and AvB hasn't delivered enough points.

 

[pablo73]

An Arsenal fan on F365:​

​

"I think AVB actually deserves credit for Saturday, not derision.​

​

He set Spurs out initially to attack Arsenal and it worked. Spurs won the first 15 minutes decisively. Then Adebayor happened. AVB has no control over this bloke being an idiot - you can argue he shouldn't have picked him but his skills were perfect for the tactics he wanted to play (and there are no other options since 'Arry got shot of Pav) and you have to trust your players, even that one. Spurs are then down to ten, having lost a player very important to their tactical set-up, and once Arsenal's pressure builds they capitulate to be 3-1 down at half time.​

​

So what to do? You're 3-1 down, a man down and all looks lost. Many, many managers would just shut up shop to keep it respectable. But he changed things tactically and tried to get back into the game. It nearly worked. I remarked at 4-2 that 'only gooners would be sh*tting themselves at 4-2 up against 10 men..' but the response I had to that was 'I'd forgotten they were down to ten...' The switch to three at the back, maintaining four in midfield and two up top was bold, brave and could have worked, indeed I would say Spurs looked comfortable for the majority of the second half. I think AVB should be lauded for having the man-bits to even try it.​

​

The score might have been the same but this 5-2 was very different to February's. Spurs did fall apart then. They had no tactical leadership from the sidelines and went from 2-0 to 2-2 at half-time when the manager can take action, to 5-2. Five goals unanswered straddling the half-time team talk. They stayed in the game this time, got a goal back and, had Bale shown any sort of vision when Defoe was free in the six-yard box, might have got it back to 4-3. Perilously close to DVD territory for my liking.​

​

So history will show only the scoreline, and it is one I am very happy about. But, Spurs fans out there, consider the differences between this time and February. And ask yourselves if you want a proactive manager, prepared to try to win a game even when all looks lost, or not. If AVB is given time I am genuinely fearful of Spurs' future prospects. I hope no patience is shown. Out by Christmas and replaced by Mark Hughes? Yeah...go on, I'll bite your hand off."​

Thanks for posting this. It's really useful to get an outsider's perspective and he's got it absolutely spot on IMHO. It's a shame so many Tottenham fans who allegedly support he club can't find their way to this kind of balanced perspective. Much easier to slag off everyone involved, sack AVB and get Harry back - that will sort our future out, won't it?

 

[mattstev2000]

As someone else has noted (PT/Mr Pink?) too much credit is given to 'try attacking and fail'. With a team of our quality (even after accounting for injuries etc) the scoreline is not acceptable. Would Stoke/West Ham have lost by that margin (no). Are we better than Stoke/West Ham with THIS team on paper (yes). So why the applause? We need to judge by results/performance, not intent. Fact is we have under achieved for 4 straight weeks and AvB hasn't delivered enough points.

You're right, we should have shut up shop and bored our way to a 3-1 defeat. That would have showed them!

 

[pablo73]

When I compared him to a medium, what I meant was one of those fuckers who tells you they can speak to dead people. They use all sorts of subtle tricks to string you along-they let you answer the questions and they leave things open ended. I'm not saying he knows nothing-just nowhere near as much as he'd have you believe.

That's a nice simile JH. Another one I would suggest is that he's the ITK equivalent of a cock tease. Which is why so many on here act like dogs on heat when he's around and ultimately end up frustrated and unsatisfied.

 

[ultimateloner]

You're right, we should have shut up shop and bored our way to a 3-1 defeat. That would have showed them!

I'm trying to emphasis that attention should be given to our 4 straight defeats and the prep/changes required given those, as opposed to what is done in half time. The later only affected 1/2 of a game in which we lost.

 

[Damian99]

Possibly after christmas if he doesn't shape himself

 

[alpha]

An Arsenal fan on F365:​

​

"I think AVB actually deserves credit for Saturday, not derision.​

He set Spurs out initially to attack Arsenal and it worked. Spurs won the first 15 minutes decisively. Then Adebayor happened. AVB has no control over this bloke being an idiot - you can argue he shouldn't have picked him but his skills were perfect for the tactics he wanted to play (and there are no other options since 'Arry got shot of Pav) and you have to trust your players, even that one. Spurs are then down to ten, having lost a player very important to their tactical set-up, and once Arsenal's pressure builds they capitulate to be 3-1 down at half time.​

So what to do? You're 3-1 down, a man down and all looks lost. Many, many managers would just shut up shop to keep it respectable. But he changed things tactically and tried to get back into the game. It nearly worked. I remarked at 4-2 that 'only gooners would be sh*tting themselves at 4-2 up against 10 men..' but the response I had to that was 'I'd forgotten they were down to ten...' The switch to three at the back, maintaining four in midfield and two up top was bold, brave and could have worked, indeed I would say Spurs looked comfortable for the majority of the second half. I think AVB should be lauded for having the man-bits to even try it.​

The score might have been the same but this 5-2 was very different to February's. Spurs did fall apart then. They had no tactical leadership from the sidelines and went from 2-0 to 2-2 at half-time when the manager can take action, to 5-2. Five goals unanswered straddling the half-time team talk. They stayed in the game this time, got a goal back and, had Bale shown any sort of vision when Defoe was free in the six-yard box, might have got it back to 4-3. Perilously close to DVD territory for my liking.​

So history will show only the scoreline, and it is one I am very happy about. But, Spurs fans out there, consider the differences between this time and February. And ask yourselves if you want a proactive manager, prepared to try to win a game even when all looks lost, or not. If AVB is given time I am genuinely fearful of Spurs' future prospects. I hope no patience is shown. Out by Christmas and replaced by Mark Hughes? Yeah...go on, I'll bite your hand off."​

Another one to add to a sticky!

Thanks for posting this. It's really useful to get an outsider's perspective and he's got it absolutely spot on IMHO. It's a shame so many Tottenham fans who allegedly support he club can't find their way to this kind of balanced perspective. Much easier to slag off everyone involved, sack AVB and get Harry back - that will sort our future out, won't it?

Its always good to hear arguements with no prejudice, backed up considering the evidence, standpoints and factors that come in to play along with not letting their opinions easily be influenced by media spin (talkshite, sun, etc.).

If the doubters & bashers can just give it some time, get behind the team at home, we may just start performing as well as we do away. Hopefully the Civil War amongst Spurs fans can then end.

I hope we start seeing a turning point now and Spurs fans give 100% support for the Manager & the Team!

 

[Spurger King]

This season has left me feeling miserable.

Why??? Well certainly not because of anything AVB has done.

To put it bluntly....THE FANS ARE FUCKING IT UP.

Too much pressure..too much angst over league defeats....too much yelling over making the most over the players we have.....simply too much to be reasonablly expected from a new manager.

Now..I know many don't want to give AVB the time of day...but for the lord of flying fuck...give him the season to prove himself.

You won't though will you...

 

[sbrustad]

This season has left me feeling miserable.

Why??? Well certainly not because of anything AVB has done.

To put it bluntly....THE FANS ARE FUCKING IT UP.

Too much pressure..too much angst over league defeats....too much yelling over making the most over the players we have.....simply too much to be reasonablly expected from a new manager.

Now..I know many don't want to give AVB the time of day...but for the lord of flying fuck...give him the season to prove himself.

You won't though will you...

I coulnd't agree more. We've had terrible luck with injuries, we've got rid of our two best players, and it takes time to completely reshape the club from top to bottom. It's annoying that so many of our fans are joining the anti-AVB agenda from the media when nobody is in a position to judge how well he's done until the end of the season. The least we can do is wait for a run of matches with our presumed best eleven before people start crying "AVB out".

I fucking hate it when we lose, but I really think AVB can do a terrific job with our club if he's given enough time, and I'm still really positive about us hiring him. It's bad enough to try and get the team to play "his" kind of football when half the best eleven, presumably the players needed to do the job properly, are injured. Players are playing out of position, our only "fit" recognized "playmaker" of any kind is Huddlestone, a player who's now so slow after injury he's OWING a yard of pace. Add to that, Adebayor managed one league game after injury/illness/unfitness before he got himself banned. You just have to feel for AVB, he's had shit luck so far.

Look at the bright side, it can hardly get worse than it is at the moment.

 

[Stavrogin]

This season has left me feeling miserable.

Why??? Well certainly not because of anything AVB has done.

To put it bluntly....THE FANS ARE FUCKING IT UP.

Too much pressure..too much angst over league defeats....too much yelling over making the most over the players we have.....simply too much to be reasonablly expected from a new manager.

Now..I know many don't want to give AVB the time of day...but for the lord of flying fuck...give him the season to prove himself.

You won't though will you...

I don't disagree that the fans are making this season miserable - but I think you're as much to blame as the those whining about AVB... well, not you personally but think about it:

AVB has made a helluva lot of mistakes - you can deny it and neither would he - but there's a section of fans that are so sensitive to any unfair criticism of AVB that they seem to take every opportunity to rail against the past management, the owners, the players and even the fans in the most dickish ways - and you just know that if it was Redknapp or Jol in charge they would be frothing at the mouth; in short they're raging jerks - they always were (not talking about you, you've always seemed decent), now they've caught fire.

The anti-AVB stuff is depressing but no less so than those they purport to 'reasonable' and support AVB while throwing bile over everything else.

 

[Donki]

I don't disagree that the fans are making this season miserable - but I think you're as much to blame as the those whining about AVB... well, not you personally but think about it:

AVB has made a helluva lot of mistakes - you can deny it and neither would he - but there's a section of fans that are so sensitive to any unfair criticism of AVB that they seem to take every opportunity to rail against the past management, the owners, the players and even the fans in the most dickish ways - and you just know that if it was Redknapp or Jol in charge they would be frothing at the mouth; in short they're raging jerks - they always were (not talking about you, you've always seemed decent), now they've caught fire.

The anti-AVB stuff is depressing but no less so than those they purport to 'reasonable' and support AVB while throwing bile over everything else.

Nail on head bigman, its this that is fucking the life out of me. This blind faith, this head up the hole attitute, I said when AVB was first appointed that he needed at least a season before he should be judged properly (and i still do) but thats not to say if I think he is doing something wrong or that if I dont agree with how he handled something we should all we shouldn't be allowed to say anything without being called "AVB bashers" WTF?? Harry wasn't liked by alot of people simply because he wasn't seen as a modern thining manager with enough tactical knowledge, he didnt have a good rep. Jol was seen as a nice guy, but again critisized for not having enough tactical knowledge. Many threads were set up and many people tore these guys apart game by game pointing out in great detail what went wrong. Not only that they were ridiculed, for their looks and manerisims, yes I know we all had "fun" but some of it was simply out of order. Now we have AVB who in some peoples eyes has done nothing wrong, and probably couldn't do anything wrong..... nothing its Levys fault, its the players fault, its the fans fault, its the refs fault, its lady lucks fault, its the medias fault catch a grip.

Again I want AVB to be given at least a season and have seen glimpses of what he is trying to do, but I will not suck the guy off week after week (metaphorically speaking) stating he hasn't made a mistake if he has.

 

[shelfboy68]

This season has left me feeling miserable.

Why??? Well certainly not because of anything AVB has done.

To put it bluntly....THE FANS ARE FUCKING IT UP.

Too much pressure..too much angst over league defeats....too much yelling over making the most over the players we have.....simply too much to be reasonablly expected from a new manager.

Now..I know many don't want to give AVB the time of day...but for the lord of flying fuck...give him the season to prove himself.

You won't though will you...

You can't blame the fans mate as we have been singing and supporting the team apart from Wigan at home when the atmosphere was shit.

It's certainly not our fault when our defence is made of sand and poor decisions tactically plus players getting red cards help contribute to our poor form.

There are a number of reasons for all of this and as for giving the manager a chance we are keen for him to do well I don't really want more change at the top it's bad enough as it is.

But is avb the right man for the job probably not will he get backed in January again probably not and he may not last the season but while he is here we do have to try and support him but no way are the fans to blame.

 

[Spurger King]

I don't disagree that the fans are making this season miserable - but I think you're as much to blame as the those whining about AVB... well, not you personally but think about it:

AVB has made a helluva lot of mistakes - you can deny it and neither would he - but there's a section of fans that are so sensitive to any unfair criticism of AVB that they seem to take every opportunity to rail against the past management, the owners, the players and even the fans in the most dickish ways - and you just know that if it was Redknapp or Jol in charge they would be frothing at the mouth; in short they're raging jerks - they always were (not talking about you, you've always seemed decent), now they've caught fire.

The anti-AVB stuff is depressing but no less so than those they purport to 'reasonable' and support AVB while throwing bile over everything else.

I see what you're saying bu, at least on a personal level, I wouldn't say I have blind faith in the manager, nor would I say the fans in general need to in order to back the manager.

AVB has pissed me off with the whole Lloris/Friedel thing (the handling of which I initially supported), as well as his habit of persisting with players performing poorly (Dempsey, Gallas). I'm not saying that fans shouldn't be critical. What I'm getting at is that there seems to be a huge amount of pressure building up which will only have a negative effect on the team. Our current form is hard to take because we had it so good for much of last season, however AVB is trying to build something great and I'd say there is plenty of evidence that this is beginning to happen (unlike, for example, when we were under Ramos).

AVB is far from perfect. He's a young manager that is still finding his feet. However I'd say he has more potential than any manager I can remember Spurs having in the 23 years that I have been a fan, and that's possibly one of the reasons why some supporters are so quick to leap to his defence.

 

[kendoddsdadsdogsdead]

Some Spurs fans do just that.

Quite a few done it under the last manager aye. Funnily enough it seems to be some of the ones moaning about it this year. Strange.