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Where do you (or shoudl you) draw the line on terrace chants?

FSF

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The Football Supporters' Federation will be running an article in the next issue of The Football Supporter (out in the new year) on the somewhat prickly issue of the rights and wrongs of offensive terrace chants. Naturally there's not going to be anything like a consensus, because what one person considers banter could easily disgust or offend someone else, but we're keen to canvas a range of views on the subject to help make the piece more informed, so will be hitting a few forums of clubs up and down the divisions to gauge opinion.

We're all aware of the modern day controversial songs (Adebayor's elephant washing, Sol Campbell's Judas song, Hillsborough/Heysel/Munich references) but where do you draw the line? Large scale racist chanting has been all but eradicated from stadia, but what about homophobic songs? Are players fair game for off the field indiscretions, or should their private life be off limits? What can and can't (or should and shouldn't) you sing about players, managers and referees? What songs do you baulk at joining in with yourself? Is it something that you've grown out of, or had an experience that made you re-assess what you sing in the ground? We'd like to know.

If this topic's been covered before, please point me in its general direction - ta.
 

Rocksuperstar

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It's not about what you chant anymore, it's about what the media decide the underlying meaning of that chant is. Take the Sol Campbell song that caused uproar because of the reference to hanging - this was assumed, because he's black, that it referred to lynching, conveniently glassing over the mention of Judas. The media pander to an audience cocked, locked and ready to be outraged when told to. Adebayor - unthinkable that we could accuse his father of washing elephants (I won't go into the geographical innacuracies involved, or delve into the percentage of white folk employed in the care of pachydermata), absolutely fine to call his mum a whore, it appears.

However, these are cases where the songs have been portrayed as something they were never intended to be - remember, the lyrics to 90% of these songs recently are made up and sung by people with a mental age of ten - but when a crowd decide to pick on a specific event (as you say, Hillsborough/Heysel) or associated stereotypes with the sole intention of insulting or upsetting their opponents/oppo's fans, then it does cross a line.

To sum up, mindless, childish songs taken out of context by the press cause more of a fuss it seems than targetted abuse, dolled out by bigots and idiots.
 

Lanh

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RSS has pretty much got it covered. :up: from me for everything he said.
 

dontcallme

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I think RSS has pretty much covered it.

I believe racist chants and chants about tragic events like Heysel and Hillsborough are out of order.

Homophobic chants are slightly different because of the context. Calling a black player racist names is directly abusive and ove the line but givig a probable heterosexual player gay taunts is childish and not directly offensive.

I can't help but use the phrase "that's so gay" when talking about something rubbish but I'm not meaning to be homophobic.

Like always the media spin on chants like the Sol Campbell one and the decision to blow something out of proportion is the moment people get offended, it's not usually at the chant itself.
 

dvdhopeful

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Nov 10, 2006
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Yea just print what RSS said, don't think anyone will put it better than that.

And the Luka chant is offensive - he is one of our best players and we reward him with that shower of shite.
 

FSF

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Just a quick bump before Christmas - thanks to those who've replied so far (particularly RSS), will be pulling the piece together in the next few days
 

jonathanhotspur

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I think the "Sit down, you paedophile" chant aimed at Wenger is over the line. I may have referred to him as a kiddly fiddler on message boards and if I did, I suppose I shouldn't have, really.
 
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