Why did one of our fans do this?

'O Zio

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I agree with the wider point that it's ridiculous how little punishment he got for what he did when we all know that if one of us had done it, we'd be facing some serious jail time.

That said, I doubt they were trying to make that point, just mindless idiots trying to get on TV.

Also, why the fuck would you do it at Huddersfield? The timing of it makes no sense.
 

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A bit harsh we have no idea how he feels, what he did as terrible, but if we're gonna make people pay for mistakes they have made forever we may just throw them in fail for life or ship them of to an island somewhere. I'm pretty sure he didn't set out to "kill" anyone but he certainly was completely irresponsible and it cost a young girl her life. He just happens to be lucky enough to be a top level sportsman, we have no idea how he feels personally. I mean Kluivert done basically the same thing (without the alcohol) and he has played and managed at the top level, he is even a pundit, no one bats an eyelid. Actually he only got community service.
Nobody's saying he should pay for his mistakes forever. But he hasn't paid for them at all. He's been fined a week's wages and made to hire a chauffeur rather than drive himself for a couple of years. Players have got worse than that for skipping training, whereas he made a deliberate choice to endanger lives and subsequently killed a totally innocent person. He should be in jail, end of story, and if the worst he has to deal with is people shouting at him he's extraordinarily lucky.
 

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Nobody's saying he should pay for his mistakes forever. But he hasn't paid for them at all. He's been fined a week's wages and made to hire a chauffeur rather than drive himself for a couple of years. Players have got worse than that for skipping training, whereas he made a deliberate choice to endanger lives and subsequently killed a totally innocent person. He should be in jail, end of story, and if the worst he has to deal with is people shouting at him he's extraordinarily lucky.
As far as I am aware the family settled it, or at least accepted compensation. I am not sure how that works in Spain, I totally agree that it's not what he deserves but his trial is over, and there was no sign of appeal from the girls family. I just think that a random guy at a football match holding up a banner calling someone a "murderer" isn't really on, IMO of course.
 

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As far as I am aware the family settled it, or at least accepted compensation. I am not sure how that works in Spain, I totally agree that it's not what he deserves but his trial is over, and there was no sign of appeal from the girls family. I just think that a random guy at a football match holding up a banner calling someone a "murderer" isn't really on, IMO of course.
The girl's family basically agreed to a load of money (undisclosed) and in exchange they had to accept this low punishment and also agreed that they'd waive their right to appeal the sentencing.
 

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Well Spurs, this is...uhh...embarrassing. Imagine being investigated and probably punished for making a sign calling out a murdering **** who got away with it solely because he's an athlete? Shame on the club here.

Was the sign in poor taste? Maybe. That could be debated. Should Alonso be in jail for vehicular manslaughter? Yes and that absolutely cannot be debated.
 

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The girls family basically accepted money for the life of their girl? I don't care how poor I might ever be, and I'm not trying to imagine the situation they found themselves in, but I really cannot see myself ever contemplating such a 'deal'

Also, Kluivert really didn't do the same thing. The massive factor in Alonso's case is the fact he was drunk and then got behind the wheel. That makes him a scumbag ( at the very least, on the night in question )
Speeding occurs in every single car you see on the road, every day. Drink driving is the mark of an absolute ****.
 

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The girls family basically accepted money for the life of their girl? I don't care how poor I might ever be, and I'm not trying to imagine the situation they found themselves in, but I really cannot see myself ever contemplating such a 'deal'

Also, Kluivert really didn't do the same thing. The massive factor in Alonso's case is the fact he was drunk and then got behind the wheel. That makes him a scumbag ( at the very least, on the night in question )
Speeding occurs in every single car you see on the road, every day. Drink driving is the mark of an absolute ****.
Then again there's speeding, and then there's doing 70 in a 30 which was what Alonso was doing (while also being drunk).
 

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The girls family basically accepted money for the life of their girl? I don't care how poor I might ever be, and I'm not trying to imagine the situation they found themselves in, but I really cannot see myself ever contemplating such a 'deal'

Also, Kluivert really didn't do the same thing. The massive factor in Alonso's case is the fact he was drunk and then got behind the wheel. That makes him a scumbag ( at the very least, on the night in question )
Speeding occurs in every single car you see on the road, every day. Drink driving is the mark of an absolute ****.
Doing 70 in a 30 mph zone also makes you an absolute ****.
 

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Then again there's speeding, and then there's doing 70 in a 30 which was what Alonso was doing (while also being drunk).
Of course. I was meaning the Kluivert incident. I don't know how fast Kluivert was going, only that he was speeding and was sober.

The Alonso thing is a disgrace really. He's no different to Lee Hughes or that lower league goalkeeper who killed them two kids.
 

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Sorry but the bloke is utter scum, killed a girl by drunk driving then bought his way out of it.

Should be reminded at every opportunity.
It is a terrible thing that happened, absolutely awful and a young woman lost her life but the truth is we don't know how Alonso feels about it. We don't know if he wakes up in cold sweats every night, we don't know if he undergoes counselling, we don't know if he visits her family, we don't know if he felt he should be punished more severely and was talked out of it by advisers/family, in short we don't know.

I hate Chelsea as much as any one but life can be complicated and making judgements on such serious matters without all the details serves no purpose.
 

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It is a terrible thing that happened, absolutely awful and a young woman lost her life but the truth is we don't know how Alonso feels about it. We don't know if he wakes up in cold sweats every night, we don't know if he undergoes counselling, we don't know if he visits her family, we don't know if he felt he should be punished more severely and was talked out of it by advisers/family, in short we don't know.

I hate Chelsea as much as any one but life can be complicated and making judgements on such serious matters without all the details serves no purpose.
You say you don't know the details. This may help from Wiki.
"On 2 May 2011, Alonso was arrested following his involvement in a car accident in Madrid. He was the driver of a car that collided with a wall, killing one of the passengers, a 19-year-old woman, having been driving at 112.8 km/h (70 mph) in wet conditions in a 50 km/h (30 mph) zone, with a blood alcohol level of 0.93 mg per millilitre of blood.[23][24] He faced 21 months in prison when sentenced in February 2016, but his punishment was changed to a €61,000 fine and a driving ban of three years and four months, which had already been spent."
 

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also, mistakes happen. he made a terrible mistake, someone died and everyone has to live with it for the rest of their lives. what the fuck does that have to do with a football match?
 

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It may not have been premeditated, but he behaved completely recklessly and a girl is dead as a result. Call it what you like.

I think murder is when you plan on killing someone. You want them dead. Not what happened here, and its an important distinction. the guy in Las Vegas - he murdered 59 people. Alonso isnt a murderer - he's just a stupid footballer.
 

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also, mistakes happen. he made a terrible mistake, someone died and everyone has to live with it for the rest of their lives. what the fuck does that have to do with a football match?
Part of "living with it" is being reminded of it.

I have no problem with the sign. Seems odd at a Huddersfield match - but otherwise I think it fair game to point out. If that influences how others view Alonso - then that is part of the consequences of drink driving - and killing someone.
 

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I think murder is when you plan on killing someone. You want them dead. Not what happened here, and its an important distinction.
"Murder" is a legal term of art, that encompasses many actions beyond "plan[ing] on killing someone." In many jurisdictions, a death resulting from an intoxicated driver would be sufficient for 2nd Degree murder charges.
 

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Part of "living with it" is being reminded of it.

I have no problem with the sign. Seems odd at a Huddersfield match - but otherwise I think it fair game to point out. If that influences how others view Alonso - then that is part of the consequences of drink driving - and killing someone.
so my question is what is your greatest mistake? if I was to hold up a sign to taunt you what would it say?
 

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so my question is what is your greatest mistake? if I was to hold up a sign to taunt you what would it say?
Thats a great question. I doubt you have a sign big enough.

But, its also irrelevant. I am not a public figure. But, you can call me out for being arrested for Drunk in Public once when I was in college though.

Do you think if Adam Johnson was fit when he gets out of jail, any team would sign him? Should fans simply keep silent around him, so as not to hurt his feelings?

As you said, Alonso has to live with the consequences - and one fo those consequences is being reminded by others. I am not suggesting Alonso should not be able to play football - but by the same token, supporters don't have to like him, and should be allowed to tell him what they think....so long as they do not infringe upon his privacy - and carrying a sign at a public match is not infringing upon his privacy.
 

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Thats a great question. I doubt you have a sign big enough.

But, its also irrelevant. I am not a public figure. But, you can call me out for being arrested for Drunk in Public once when I was in college though.

Do you think if Adam Johnson was fit when he gets out of jail, any team would sign him? Should fans simply keep silent around him, so as not to hurt his feelings?

As you said, Alonso has to live with the consequences - and one fo those consequences is being reminded by others. I am not suggesting Alonso should not be able to play football - but by the same token, supporters don't have to like him, and should be allowed to tell him what they think....so long as they do not infringe upon his privacy - and carrying a sign at a public match is not infringing upon his privacy.

I dont know about all that. This is how I feel about the whole thing:

 
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