Why don’t defenders lift up the goalkeepers when defending a corner?

[TheChosenOne]

No way am I throwing Seaman in the air. Come off it.

 

[Wig]

I love a bit of innovation and ingenuity, but this is a bit of a silly idea. It works in rugby because the line outs are played along a single line and also all players are competing with their hands. In football the corners / set pieces are kicked in to a wide area often from a greater distance, so that the "lifters" and keeper are less likely to be in the specifically correct area needed. And if the keeper is in the correct area, i.e. anywhere around the 6 yard box, then when the keeper jumps to catch or punch the ball they're in a favourable position as they have the height of their arms above the oppositions' heads, unlike rugby where everyone is using their arms/hands.

 

[mightyspur]

Considering 90% of our corners don't even get past the waist of the 1st man, it runs the risk of the ball just going underneath the keeper if it does get that far.

 

[thecook]

If we can Crouchie lifting up Hugo he could get onto the skywalk!

 

[TheBlueRooster]

In answer to your question yes there is a law preventing this happening. I can't remember what the penalty is if it occurred. I think it is an indirect free kick. It would be the same as using an outfield player to gain height to head a ball eg using his shoulders with your hands (piggy back).

 

[TheChosenOne]

In answer to your question yes there is a law preventing this happening. I can't remember what the penalty is if it occurred. I think it is an indirect free kick. It would be the same as using an outfield player to gain height to head a ball eg using his shoulders with your hands (piggy back).

Yet the new fangled "draught excluder" behind the wall thing seems to be legit.

 

[Tucker]

What about one player holding his shirt out, and the keeper tucking the ball up there, then he runs the length of the pitch and gives birth after crossing the goal line.

 

[TheBlueRooster]

Yet the new fangled "draught excluder" behind the wall thing seems to be legit.

Until someone gets trampled to death.

 

[McFlash]

Yet the new fangled "draught excluder" behind the wall thing seems to be legit.

On his podcast, Crouchie was saying that it must be the most degrading thing every, to be the draught excluder.
It's like your only use to the team at this dangerous moment, is to lay on the floor facing away from the game!
They were really laying into it.

If find it both ridiculous and hilarious and I hope to never see us use it as a "tactic".

 

[Monkey boy]

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that took me a good 20 seconds to work out what I was looking at!

 

[Japhet]

On his podcast, Crouchie was saying that it must be the most degrading thing every, to be the draught excluder.
It's like your only use to the team at this dangerous moment, is to lay on the floor facing away from the game!
They were really laying into it.

If find it both ridiculous and hilarious and I hope to never see us use it as a "tactic".

Until somebody fires a low shot under our wall and into the net aat which point you'll be asking wtf happened to our draught excluder.

 

[beats1]

Its a silly idea for a couple of reasons,

1. This isnt rugby
2. You have to make a judgement where your "lifters" are going before you can truly judge the ball
3. In a lineout youre passing to your own team so the thrower has somewhere to aim for and the catcher knows where it will go
4. The other team might not kick the ball high enough so you will look like a tit
5. The problem in a corner isnt height, its actually obstruction
6. Goalkeepers aren't going straight up to get the ball they are going 45degrees towards the ball battling players
7. You leave your goal horribly exposed if you make the decision to go up and leave yourself vulnerable for the corner taker to do a pass and shoot

 

[ZiggySpurs]

On his podcast, Crouchie was saying that it must be the most degrading thing every, to be the draught excluder.
It's like your only use to the team at this dangerous moment, is to lay on the floor facing away from the game!
They were really laying into it.

If find it both ridiculous and hilarious and I hope to never see us use it as a "tactic".

Whenever I think about that tactic, this comes to mind:

 

[McFlash]

Until somebody fires a low shot under our wall and into the net aat which point you'll be asking wtf happened to our draught excluder.

Nah, I'm just dead against it.
I find it embarrassing and the sort of thing school kids do. To see a professional footballer laying on the ground is just daft to me but then, I'm not a fan of walls jumping either.
The keeper positions them and they should just stand there. If the ball goes over, it's the keepers responsibility.
I have to say that I was agreeing with everything Crouch said about it on his pod. Well worth a listen.

 

[slartibartfast]

Only during an international break could a thread like this be still going lol.

 

['O Zio]

I've genuinely thought about this when players "take the ball to the corner" when wasting time. If you had one smaller player (let's say Lucas) facing the corner flag with the ball, and two bigger players (let's say Kane and Sissoko) facing him but shielding him about 2 ft away it would be nearly impossible for anyone to get to him.

Again it might come under obstruction or unsporting behaviour but it could easily waste 90 seconds.

Yeah that's definitely obstruction. As you say though would probably waste a fair bit of time but then I guess if you did something that takes the piss quite as much as that a lot of refs would make sure they added all the time on the make up for it

 

['O Zio]

I feel like this is an utterly stupid or interesting question. (Depending on which way you choose to look at it)

But I just watched the England game where Sczeszczczszny (sp?) got fouled from a corner and it got me to thinking...

Regardless of how ineffective or brilliant it might be, is there anything in the rules that would prevent a pair of defenders literally lifting up the goalkeeper to be able to more easily claim a lofted in corner kick?

(Similar to rugby when a throw in or line out whatever it’s called is taken).

I then got to thinking if there are rules that state this type of thing isn’t allowed, because you could do some pretty creative things leveraging other players on your team for some kind of advantage.
I’ve often wondered for instance whether you could literally line up 11 of your players on the goal line to create an actual wall in front of goal in certain situations (I’m sure that has actually been done before when defending an indirect free kick in the penalty area conceded from a back pass). The “draught excluder” is one that seems to be becoming more popular etc.

Non-standard play or thinking outside of the box if you like.

In all honesty I just don't think it would be very effective. Even if it worked once, the other team would just play the corner to a guy in the edge of the box i.e. well out of the keepers reach either way, and then you'd have an open goal basically. Plus the two people probably required to lift him means that there are 2 completely unmarked attackers somewhere.

Either way I'm almost certain it would come under dangerous play and not be allowed.

 

[Nerine]

Damn awful lot of negative nellies up in this biatch

 

[TheBlueRooster]

Yeah that's definitely obstruction. As you say though would probably waste a fair bit of time but then I guess if you did something that takes the piss quite as much as that a lot of refs would make sure they added all the time on the make up for it

Obstruction is when the ball is not within the plaing distance of either defender or attacker. eg if the attacking player plays the ball into open space and the defending player blocks him it's obstruction. But if both of the players can equally reach the ball 'barging" is allowed, eg as we quite often see in the corner "time wasting".

 

['O Zio]

Obstruction is when the ball is not within the plaing distance of either defender or attacker. eg if the attacking player plays the ball into open space and the defending player blocks him it's obstruction. But if both of the players can equally reach the ball 'barging" is allowed, eg as we quite often see in the corner "time wasting".

He's saying Lucas would be shielding the ball as normal, but then you'd have two or three other players between Lucas and the defending player so they'd be preventing him from getting within playing distance of the ball.

If you look at the actual law on the fa site, this suggestion is clearly illegal.