Why title bid is just the start - Tim Sherwood

[Gaz_Gammon]

"The United game showed again why Tottenham are contenders - when things don't click for them up front, they have got a solid defence to fall back on".






Quite a nice article.

Read the full article at BBC Sport

 

[littlemandefoe]

Cue the 'Fuck off Sherwood' bunch!

Tim was good for us, introduced young players who are benefitting us today. Good luck to him.

 

[N17Jack]

Problem is, Tim still thinks its mostly down to him.

 

[rupsmith]

Problem is, Tim still thinks its mostly down to him.

Well it certainly is down to him in a big way - he was the head of development wasn't he? When Harry was in charge. That was the key stage of development for Harry Kane and lots of other young players. And he did give them a start and confidence.

I'll always be thankful and wish him the very best. Switched on guy.

 

[rupsmith]

I posted this on 10 April 2014.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_van_Gaal

What is it about this guy exactly that makes him this Messiah everyone perceives him to be? Look at his record.

He managed Barcelona in the late 90s and won stuff but fought with everyone. He failed to qualify with the dutch national team for the 2002 World Cup behind Ireland and Portugal. He then took Barcelona to within in 3 points of the relegation zone and left. He then joined Ajax and quit after internal conflicts. He joined a mid table dutch side AZ and won one trophy in 4 years. He took over Bayern Munich and after a slow start won the double in the first year. He was then sacked after another slow start in the second year. He is now the dutch national team manager.

Seriously wtf has this 62 year old guy done in the last 15 years to show that he can change the culture of a club from top to bottom. His career has been filled with internal conflicts, slow starts and a lack of results. We seem to be star struck because of his exotic name and his "I don't take crap from anyone" demeanor which doesn't seem to have worked anywhere. And now we want him to come to a new league which is the toughest in the world and to a club trying to breach the top 4? Sounds like a typical Spurs fck up waiting to happen. Fck him.

He won the champions league with Ajax 20 years ago!! In 1995! This was in a bygone area where you can have a team of young players to work with for a few years and mold them into a team. These days if a kid can tie his shoelaces by 5, a club will sign him up. Pressures by club Boards are unprecedented.

As for the titles in three leagues - one was dutch with AZ in his fourth year (Steve mclaren won it with twente in his third year to put that league into context), the German one was with Bayern Munich and that too after recruiting robben and having half the German national side at his disposal and la liga was in the late 90s. This guy is a spent force. He is living off past glories.

In simple terms he has won 1 dutch title, 1 German title and 1 German cup in the last 15 years of his career! He is anything but an upgrade.

I seriously do not know how he is going to improve us without spending loads of money. Can't see Levy giving him as much freedom as he tends to want. If we are going to recruit someone else, it has to be someone with premier league experience and success. I can't see anyone out there. The top 4 managers are booked. We are 5th. I don't want anyone below us. Harry maybe ? I don't know. But not Van Gaal

For me back a young tough passionate coach like Tim any day of the week. And people slamming Tim (and also Harry when he was in charge) for their "lack of education" and "lack of sophistication" and "lack of tactical awareness" - Harry got us into the top 4 twice and Tim's premier league results are the best of any Spurs manager. I couldn't care less where Harry and Tim come from - or how they present themselves - if they can keep doing that.

COYS!

 

[Danners9]

LVG was a school teacher, and it shows. The game has moved on and he has not.

He has had success but then alienated everyone he's worked with. It's such a relief that Spurs didn't get him, with this group of players they need someone that encourages them and teaches them - not enforces a rigid 'style' that puts players out of position.

My Dutch friend says LVG lives in his own universe. Hard to argue when he comes out with comments like last night 'Spurs know what they could have had - me.'

Yep, thanks to Man Utd for jumping in front of that bullet.

 

[myhartlane]

I have to say (and said it before) that I've never understood why Sherwood is so despised by such a large rump of people on here.

 

[Japhet]

Cue the 'Fuck off Sherwood' bunch!

Tim was good for us, introduced young players who are benefitting us today. Good luck to him.

So who, apart from Harry Kane, would you say is a Sherwood player who is benefitting us today?

I don't despise the bloke but just think he thought he was Billy Big Bollocks (saying he wanted to be in charge of the whole chebang) when he should have stayed doing what he was good at, i.e. development coach. Some of his team selections and tactics were shocking.

 

[eddiebailey]

I have to say (and said it before) that I've never understood why Sherwood is so despised by such a large rump of people on here.

rump, or its synonym, being the operative word.

 

[coldasice199]

Tim always talks well of us and was instrumental in the development of the current crop (before Poch took them on a few levels anyway).

I quite like him personally. Probably not the right fit as our manager, but certainly someone I have respect for.

 

[Lilbaz]

So who, apart from Harry Kane, would you say is a Sherwood player who is benefitting us today?

I don't despise the bloke but just think he thought he was Billy Big Bollocks (saying he wanted to be in charge of the whole chebang) when he should have stayed doing what he was good at, i.e. development coach. Some of his team selections and tactics were shocking.

Mason, carroll, bentaleb, pritchard, onomah.

Read mcdermots interview at the university he had good things to say about him. The players from the academy also had good things to say about him.

He didn't get on with avb or baldini and fell out with hoddle due to his treatment of sheringham.

 

[Japhet]

Mason, carroll, bentaleb, pritchard, onomah.

Read mcdermots interview at the university he had good things to say about him. The players from the academy also had good things to say about him.

He didn't get on with avb or baldini and fell out with hoddle due to his treatment of sheringham.

How much have they helped currently? Not much.

 

[tototoner]

Good read

 

[Roynie]

@rupsmith

I agree with your comments, and thanks for the research, but why would we now want to sign LVG? Poch is here, doing very well and is apparantly in the process of negotiating a new contract. In addition the players seem to respect him very highly and he has gelled them into a real team to the extent that there is real synergy; even Townsend didn't want to leave! By all accounts Poch wanted a "project" and he has it with Spurs, I can't see him going anywhere in a hurry!

The future is bright, the future is Tottenham, COYS!

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Tim wouldn't be look for a new job as backroom staff, would he?

 

[rupsmith]

@rupsmith

I agree with your comments, and thanks for the research, but why would we now want to sign LVG? Poch is here, doing very well and is apparantly in the process of negotiating a new contract. In addition the players seem to respect him very highly and he has gelled them into a real team to the extent that there is real synergy; even Townsend didn't want to leave! By all accounts Poch wanted a "project" and he has it with Spurs, I can't see him going anywhere in a hurry!

The future is bright, the future is Tottenham, COYS!

I posted that exactly two years ago. 10 April 2014. Just bragging about how right I was - thankfully United were the victims

 

[Dave-F]

How much have they helped currently? Not much.

To win anything you need a good squad willing to fight from top to bottom. All of those players are exactly that. Kane is the cherry on top.

Sherwood's ego is overinflated, but that goes for a lot of people involved with football. However, he did make a massive contribution to us as a club going forwards. If it weren't that he would rub the current management up the wrong way, I'd be happy to see him come back to be Development Manager, as he is clearly the best we've had in that position in the modern era.

 

[Japhet]

So let me get this right - from the 'disagrees' to my post above, Mason Carroll, Bentaleb, Pritchard and Onomah have are currently helping us. Bentaleb doesn't play, Mason and Carroll get occasional sub roles, Onomah doesn't feature and Pritchard is at West Brom. I'd say not helping us 'much' is fairly accurate.

 

[Lilbaz]

He's gone as is harry and avb. Time to look forward to great things under poch.

 

[Dave-F]

So let me get this right - from the 'disagrees' to my post above, Mason Carroll, Bentaleb, Pritchard and Onomah have are currently helping us. Bentaleb doesn't play, Mason and Carroll get occasional sub roles, Onomah doesn't feature and Pritchard is at West Brom. I'd say not helping us 'much' is fairly accurate.

Squad requires players from top to bottom on who are good quality and sing from the same hymn sheet. Thanks to the likes of Mason, Bentaleb and Carroll we managed to rotate at key points in the saeason so the likes of Dembele, Ali and Dier are still 100% coming into the final games. Pritchard and Onomah are for next season (even so Onomah has done his bit this seasn and Pritchard would also have contributed if but for injury). They are all very much part of the top to bottom element of having a strong evolving squad.

Copmpare us to other clubs with similar squads. Chelsea, Man City and Man U have better squads, but not pulling in the same direction. They have all fluffed their lines. A lot of that is down to management, but a lot of that is down to 'team ethic'. We've got that is bucket loads as our players have been part of the seame set-up for many years so they know each other and fight for each other. Basically, we're not a bunch of mercenaries.

Our squad overall is better than Arsenal who are pulling in the same direction. Bu they have dropped off as they don't have the same depth.

Also, Sherwood gave a lot of players the chance when he was Head Coach...and for the most part they did very well. He showed a glimpse of what was possible to Levy. I half suspect that was enough to conince Levy to hire a manager like Poch who could then take our young core and do something with it.

So our current position is massively down to Poch and his team, but Sherwood played a big role in the story. I think you and others are being rather disingenuous to him.