Willian Jose

[sidford]

Not by a South American club. But by the Stellar agency. Which is owned/run by Jonathan Barnett (Bale's agent). He and Levy get on so I don't think that is an issue.

Would not surprise me if Barnett is involved in this deal somewhat.

Was just going on the ESPN piece re his old Uruguayan club retaining 30% rights.

Either way it's an unwelcome development because it adds a complication and other deals like moutinho have fallen over because of it so we'll see.

 

[Japhet]

I think we need a physical/aerial presence up front so I'd be very happy with JW. With Son, Lucas, Dele, Bergwijn presumably playing off him I think he could be a real asset and we also have goals from midfield with Gio, Ndombele and Gedson in the mix. I actually thought he was a better fit for what we need than Piatek so hopefully we get this over the line.

 

[Havre]

I still think Son is a better striker than Jose - and with Bergwijn covering for Son on the wing problem solved as far as I am concerned. The biggest problem there for me is Mourinho using Lucas and not Son in that position.

To bring in a fairly old striker from SA used to playing in Spain and expecting him to hit the ground running from day 1 is in my opinion rather unlikely. We got 14 games left in the league. If he needs 5 games just to get used to things - he would then have 9 games where he potentially could outperform Son/Lucas. Not worth a penny to me. Only reason to buy him is if we see him as a decent backup a bit longer term. That I wouldn't know much about. I have no illusions as to how good of a player is willing to be backup to Kane so - maybe Jose is the best we can get.

 

[spursfan77]

I still think Son is a better striker than Jose - and with Bergwijn covering for Son on the wing problem solved as far as I am concerned. The biggest problem there for me is Mourinho using Lucas and not Son in that position.

To bring in a fairly old striker from SA used to playing in Spain and expecting him to hit the ground running from day 1 is in my opinion rather unlikely. We got 14 games left in the league. If he needs 5 games just to get used to things - he would then have 9 games where he potentially could outperform Son/Lucas. Not worth a penny to me. Only reason to buy him is if we see him as a decent backup a bit longer term. That I wouldn't know much about. I have no illusions as to how good of a player is willing to be backup to Kane so - maybe Jose is the best we can get.

It's all about extra options in attack though isn't it? One more in who is competent (and has played in a top league for a few years) can only help.

 

[Japhet]

I still think Son is a better striker than Jose - and with Bergwijn covering for Son on the wing problem solved as far as I am concerned. The biggest problem there for me is Mourinho using Lucas and not Son in that position.

To bring in a fairly old striker from SA used to playing in Spain and expecting him to hit the ground running from day 1 is in my opinion rather unlikely. We got 14 games left in the league. If he needs 5 games just to get used to things - he would then have 9 games where he potentially could outperform Son/Lucas. Not worth a penny to me. Only reason to buy him is if we see him as a decent backup a bit longer term. That I wouldn't know much about. I have no illusions as to how good of a player is willing to be backup to Kane so - maybe Jose is the best we can get.

I also think we need somebody who can hold the ball up a bit better than what we currently have. Jose Willian looks quite handy in that respect and offers an 'out ball' if we're going to keep playing deeper under Mourinho.

 

[Havre]

It's all about extra options in attack though isn't it? One more in who is competent (and has played in a top league for a few years) can only help.

I think that is too simplistic. How many "options" are able to contribute if they are playing 1 full game a month, 19 mins here and there, etc?

Would be rather pointless if we had another Wanyama as an "option" up front. Not thinking of the injuries, but someone that will never really get going because that player just won't play enough.

If we want to have such a player I much rather we tried another Janssen or someone even younger. You might at least get lucky hitting another Jesus. If you find someone that develops into a top class player you could then possibly play him alongside Kane as well occasionally. Buy Jose and all of that just isn't going to happen.

Obviously I understand that someone like Mourinho understands all that (you as well of course). So I'm not going to say it is "stupid" or anything like that you bring in a player like Jose, but I think we would have been better of spending that money someone where.

 

[Havre]

I also think we need somebody who can hold the ball up a bit better than what we currently have. Jose Willian looks quite handy in that respect and offers an 'out ball' if we're going to keep playing deeper under Mourinho.

I see that point, but I think we as fans are exaggerating how much Kane actually does this in the first place. Our style isn't primarily built around a Drogba-style player.

I also think we are exaggerating how poor we are without Kane. A long time ago now, but in my opinion one of the best performances we had under Pochettino was beating City at home without Kane.

I also think we need to become more sophisticated than saying unless Kane can hold the ball up 5 times a game everything else falls to pieces. When Kane is up against van Dijk etc. he won't be able to contribute much with holding the ball up. Then we need other forms of attack anyway.

 

[barry]

I still think Son is a better striker than Jose - and with Bergwijn covering for Son on the wing problem solved as far as I am concerned. The biggest problem there for me is Mourinho using Lucas and not Son in that position.

To bring in a fairly old striker from SA used to playing in Spain and expecting him to hit the ground running from day 1 is in my opinion rather unlikely. We got 14 games left in the league. If he needs 5 games just to get used to things - he would then have 9 games where he potentially could outperform Son/Lucas. Not worth a penny to me. Only reason to buy him is if we see him as a decent backup a bit longer term. That I wouldn't know much about. I have no illusions as to how good of a player is willing to be backup to Kane so - maybe Jose is the best we can get.

This guy is a very different striker to Son. I don't care how many goals this guy scores; if he can hold the ball up, and pass decently he'll be a good signing for us as we are looking to implement a quicker/more direct style of football. He could be our budget Frimino.
As an added bonus he's good with his head, and by the look on his face he could be mardy. We haven't had a nasty striker for ages. I'm actually b warming to this dude.

 

[Stopspot]

I see that point, but I think we as fans are exaggerating how much Kane actually does this in the first place. Our style isn't primarily built around a Drogba-style player.

I also think we are exaggerating how poor we are without Kane. A long time ago now, but in my opinion one of the best performances we had under Pochettino was beating City at home without Kane.

I also think we need to become more sophisticated than saying unless Kane can hold the ball up 5 times a game everything else falls to pieces. When Kane is up against van Dijk etc. he won't be able to contribute much with holding the ball up. Then we need other forms of attack anyway.

Correction. Our style WASN'T built around that. There were however definitely signs of Mourinho wanting to implement more of that type of attacking play before we started getting players injured.

Son is at his best when he is allowed to play off a central striker. Not as one. He and Moura suffer from the same issue in that as soon as they get the ball, they develop tunnel vision. They don't see the rest of the pitch or where their teammates are. We've blown quite a few chances because of that this season. That's why we need a strong physical target player that can operate as the focal point in attack and make sure that Son and Lucas receive the ball in positions to score.

 

[Havre]

Correction. Our style WASN'T built around that. There were however definitely signs of Mourinho wanting to implement more of that type of attacking play before we started getting players injured.

Son is at his best when he is allowed to play off a central striker. Not as one. He and Moura suffer from the same issue in that as soon as they get the ball, they develop tunnel vision. They don't see the rest of the pitch or where their teammates are. We've blown quite a few chances because of that this season. That's why we need a strong physical target player that can operate as the focal point in attack and make sure that Son and Lucas receive the ball in positions to score.

Well. What do we do with Kane then? He will never be a strong physical target player - even if he is decent at that aspect of the game.

If we are going to develop a style of play outside of Kane (which is a good idea) I don't see why that has to be built around a big player. Very few teams these days play with any sort of old school target man.

 

[Stopspot]

Well. What do we do with Kane then? He will never be a strong physical target player - even if he is decent at that aspect of the game.

If we are going to develop a style of play outside of Kane (which is a good idea) I don't see why that has to be built around a big player. Very few teams these days play with any sort of old school target man.

And as a result a lot of defenses struggle with defending against them. De Ligt for example talked about struggling with Llorente after our CL battles with them.

We also have to accept that José has his style and if it involves a target man then we have to accept that. Kane is adaptive enough where he should be able to play off of Willian as well if we want to use both of them.

 

[Haddock]

I was pleasantly surprised when I looked up Willian Jose's player profile. He has scored double figures quite consistently in the La Liga the past 5 years. To be fair so did Soldado but at least José has the physical attributes to be a hassle for defenders in the PL.

 

[matty74]

I was pleasantly surprised when I looked up Willian Jose's player profile. He has scored double figures quite consistently in the La Liga the past 5 years. To be fair so did Soldado but at least José has the physical attributes to be a hassle for defenders in the PL.

Definitely the best available option we have to fit Jose’s system think he would handle himself pretty well in the premier league and give us a good focal point in attack . Can see the likes of son Lucas and Bergwijn playing off effectively

 

[leelee]

If we're stumping up near 20m on this Jose fella then just go in for Cavani. No sell on value but do we care? I don't.

 

[matty74]

If we're stumping up near 20m on this Jose fella then just go in for Cavani. No sell on value but do we care? I don't.

Certain bald man would beg to differ

 

[TEESSIDE1]

If we're stumping up near 20m on this Jose fella then just go in for Cavani. No sell on value but do we care? I don't.

Cavani - A lister but 32
Jose - Z lister but 28

people complain Cavani is too old but sanction moves for Llorente (35), Giroud (33), Mertens (32), some even wanted Ibrahimovic before he went to Milan and what’s he, 38?

Paying Kane level wages for quality for 18-24 months is a dam sight less risky than paying a fee and/or still reasonably high wages for dross.

 

[Havre]

And as a result a lot of defenses struggle with defending against them. De Ligt for example talked about struggling with Llorente after our CL battles with them.

We also have to accept that José has his style and if it involves a target man then we have to accept that. Kane is adaptive enough where he should be able to play off of Willian as well if we want to use both of them.

And I am sure there were a couple of Utd defenders that didn't like playing against Lucas at Old Trafford.

As for "accepting" - sure, but rather pointless discussing things then isn't it? If we are just going to "accept" everything Mourinho wants to do?

I am not complaining. I am arguing why I think we would be better off not buying Jose. Mourinho disagrees with me. And many others. But I am not going to change my mind based on argumentation like "we have to accept that it is just the way it is".

 

[tiger666]

Cavani - A lister but 32
Jose - Z lister but 28

people complain Cavani is too old but sanction moves for Llorente (35), Giroud (33), Mertens (32), some even wanted Ibrahimovic before he went to Milan and what’s he, 38?

Paying Kane level wages for quality for 18-24 months is a dam sight less risky than paying a fee and/or still reasonably high wages for dross.

Not sure age has anything to do with it. Can you see Levy going for Cavani with how much he'll set us back compared to those others? Wages, plus agent fees and bonuses will come out far more expensive. Just doesn't seem like a deal Levy would go for, regardless of what we think.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Not sure age has anything to do with it. Can you see Levy going for Cavani with how much he'll set us back compared to those others? Wages, plus agent fees and bonuses will come out far more expensive. Just doesn't seem like a deal Levy would go for, regardless of what we think.

we can’t assume what he would be after. It is unlikely anyone is going to pay him his PSG salary, likewise the same applies to Bale. If he wants a move and to play then they’re going to have to be prepared to be more realistic with their demands. Albeit not of the same calibre, look at Piatek... he only wanted to move to a similar and/or better club yet he’s moving to a turgid German side.

 

[The Scarecrow]

Maybe Cavani simply doesn't want to come.