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The ones that drive me crazy are when its a winger or forward and theres a minute of them just getting fouled or kicked down to start. Like what a waste of a 1/4 of the video.
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Seems you missed the bit in the article.
" football.london understands that the north London club's chairman Daniel Levy was prepared to match Chelsea's £15m bid for the player, but it was Pochettino who decided that he had other more pressing targets he would rather pursue than the injured central midfielder, who would struggle to make an impact in the short-term."
We're not Chelsea. Chelsea can afford to stockpile players to maintain HG status quotas, regardless of many important factors such as traumatic injury. Us on the other hand, really can't afford another broken CM playing for us.
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Yeah, so Poch knew he couldn't get both so he had to choose between Lucas/Malcom & Barkley.
Also that last statement is such horse shit. We have Llorente, Nkoudou, Janssen, Dembele (a broken CM) all sitting on the bench mostly useless taking up Non HG spaces and just collecting wages. We wouldn't have folded as a club cause we signed Ross Barkley.
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Nkoudou and janssen aren't in the 25 man squad.
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Taking up wages regardless of there status in the team, which is my point.
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So we need to sell before we can buy?
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Clutching at straws with the 1st point. It's not like we bought another cheaper CM instead of Barkley. Poch simply felt we didn't need to look for CM reinforcements at that time. If he truly felt we needed a CM we could've spent that £25 million we spent on Moura on a different CM target.
2nd Point - Please let me know out of all those players you listed, which did we buy right after they had traumatic Grade 3 Hamstring tear?
The issue wasn't spending the money on RB, the issue was the injury he picked, a slight matter of a Grade 3 Hamstring tear. You mention a now broken Dembele, who has on several occasions stated that the demands and the level of intensity of Poch's training are too much for him to cope with. For a player like RB, coming off that type of injury, playing for Poch, you're asking for trouble and possibly more time spent on the physios table.
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It's not meant to be glowing about Levy I don't think. Just a response to the claims a few pages earlier that the reason we didn't sign Barkley was because our scouting and management team aren't very good.
It goes to show that there are a lot of moving parts in a football transfer and although it's easy to blame every "failed" transfer on Levy being a tight arse, once you start to scratch the surface there are all sorts of reasons these thing don't happen.
I don't agree with your assessment of the article either. Nowhere does it state that Poch was "forced to pick between" the two players. It says that we were willing to match the £15m bid but Poch didn't want to add an injured midfielder to our squad.
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Thats what the overlord requires. Further making my point...
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He's really determined to overlook the part where Poch simply didn't want to buy an injured player. I keep harping on the fact that it was a Grade 3 Hamstring tear, hoping to express the severity of that type of injury and why it wouldn't have been a good deal for us.
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Poch clearly did think we needed CM reinforcements or we wouldn't have looked at Barkley that summer, and Andre Gomes. And all the ones we supposedly tried for this summer.
I fully understand the hamstring issue but at that price, for his potential, HG status, I simply deem it as a price that was worth paying.
@vegassd of course it doesn't outright say that Poch was forced to pick between the two but isn't it a bit obvious that was the case. Barkley total compensation 22mil... Lucas total compensation 23 mil, Levy certainly wasn't going to sanction both. Meaning Poch had to pick between the two. Poch picked Lucas.
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Yup, it was a gamble Chelsea could afford to take and fair dos to Barkley for getting himself in great condition but it could easily have been a different story. Shit timing with the injury, basically.
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how you read that I've no idea. the way I read it was Poch didn't want a player sat in the physio room with one of the worst forms of hamstring tear, because when he returned his style of training would put it at risk again. the report never said either or, it said Poch decided to go for a player that he could train with straight away and get him ready by the start of this season, with a few apps last season
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N'Koudou is in our 25 or we wouldn't of been able to use him as a sub v Spam in the CoC
https://www.premierleague.com/clubs/21/Tottenham-Hotspur/squad
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Where is £22m coming from? The transfer fee of Barkley was £15m and the transfer fee of Moura was closer to £25m I believe than the £23m claimed in the article. Even at £23m that's still a decent gap.
But beyond that, I can't really see what you're saying. If Poch said that he didn't want to buy Barkley but would prefer Moura and then the chairman went and did that, how is that a bad thing? This isn't a case of Poch having to pick one of the two, but rather saying he didn't want Barkley at that time.
Remember that real life managers don't deal with football like people do in video games or on the Internet. They are turning up at the training ground every day in order to get their available players ready to face the upcoming opponents. If Poch decides that Barkley wasn't going to be helpful to his every day plans then it's fine for him to not want him added. It's not just about a transfer budget and trying to buy as much as possible within that budget.
Incidentally, I would have been in favour of signing Barkley even when he was injured. And with a transfer fee of just £15m for an English player in the current market it would have had to have been a pretty mega injury to make his value drop below that. Perhaps there is some comfort in that - Levy didn't take the profit option and instead bought what he was asked for.
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Squad for what competition though? Not cl.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/tottenham-champions-league-squad-revealed-13168449
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nope I believe him and Foyth had to be left out of CL because we fell short on HG. I think our CL squad is only 23 players (on that list it's only 22)
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My point is that we probably have to sell before we buy.
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