Winter Transfer Wishlist

[Lighty64]

I bash Jerry Jones and Mark Cuban plenty. Don't you worry about that mate.

Never played FM either.

What a lot of people don’t understand is until we started competing in the CL our profits where no different to the majority of PL clubs. The majority of PL clubs 19 of them are not building a stadium, and one that’s cost have near on doubled and had a big delay. So Levy has been very cautious with spending the last decade.

This season in the summer was seen as a complete disaster and rightly so, but if Poch put the players he wanted in and out and those players didn’t want to come, or their agents or the selling club got to greedy then Levy did right. No one goes to buy a house for the value, and doesn’t try to get it for less, or pay 30-50% more.

If after the news broke about the delay, especially without a namings right, the club had no idea how much the delay was going to hit us in the pocket, and with the cost going up, the whole venture was going to hit the club. The delay has most probably the reason why 5 or 6 other players haven’t signed their improved contracts, the season tickets are being refunded, the corporate side will be costing a fortune to refund, the premium members a fortune to refund, the loss of money not coming in for everything tied in with a match day, renting Wembley on a match by match, and no one knows when that will end.

After taking the above into the thinking we also had 28 1st teamers before a ball was kicked, and other than 2 loans we failed to get rid of the 4 players we put on the market. Any new players would of wanted a decent contract, and I bet had Levy known of the delays a lot earlier the 5-6 players that have had improved contracts might of even been delayed. If we had signed a new player and they wanted 120k a week a lot of the other players who are on less would want it before we can commit.

Until we know when we will move in, and a naming rights deal has been sorted, I wouldn’t be holding out much hope for signings. Levy said the stadium wouldn’t effect spending, but I expect that to of been the case once a naming rights had been signed, and more importantly when we actually have a stadium

 

[yankspurs]

What a lot of people don’t understand is until we started competing in the CL our profits where no different to the majority of PL clubs. The majority of PL clubs 19 of them are not building a stadium, and one that’s cost have near on doubled and had a big delay. So Levy has been very cautious with spending the last decade.

This season in the summer was seen as a complete disaster and rightly so, but if Poch put the players he wanted in and out and those players didn’t want to come, or their agents or the selling club got to greedy then Levy did right. No one goes to buy a house for the value, and doesn’t try to get it for less, or pay 30-50% more.

If after the news broke about the delay, especially without a namings right, the club had no idea how much the delay was going to hit us in the pocket, and with the cost going up, the whole venture was going to hit the club. The delay has most probably the reason why 5 or 6 other players haven’t signed their improved contracts, the season tickets are being refunded, the corporate side will be costing a fortune to refund, the premium members a fortune to refund, the loss of money not coming in for everything tied in with a match day, renting Wembley on a match by match, and no one knows when that will end.

After taking the above into the thinking we also had 28 1st teamers before a ball was kicked, and other than 2 loans we failed to get rid of the 4 players we put on the market. Any new players would of wanted a decent contract, and I bet had Levy known of the delays a lot earlier the 5-6 players that have had improved contracts might of even been delayed. If we had signed a new player and they wanted 120k a week a lot of the other players who are on less would want it before we can commit.

Until we know when we will move in, and a naming rights deal has been sorted, I wouldn’t be holding out much hope for signings. Levy said the stadium wouldn’t effect spending, but I expect that to of been the case once a naming rights had been signed, and more importantly when we actually have a stadium

Pretty much nailed it. The stadium takes up a ton of time and funds. Honestly, things probably would have went down with the supporters better this summer if Levy had just been up front the entire time about it effecting transfers. Actually, thinking about it, he probably has. Sell before you buy with maybe a slight net spend. And we did not sell anyone this summer. Levy, as much as I cant bloody stand him and want Tavistock to sell up, is running the club efficiently and to be self sustainable. I wish Tavistock would have given us £40-50m this summer for a CM signing but even then it likely would have been in the form of a loan(like when Joe floated half the Bale money before he was sold) and he'd want that back. But the thing is, the club is already in debt in the hundreds of millions due to the stadium. So financially wise, it was a prudent decision this summer.

However, this is where the disconnect between team(with the fans alike) and the board comes in. Even 1 quality signing(particularly in CM) could have been massive and really helped us progress. This summer it would have been a high risk, high reward proposition due to the stadium uncertainty. Reward = progression. Risk = hurting the finances even further. This January will be the same thing, if we are not in the stadium by then, so I doubt we will sign someone then. We just have to hope and pray that Poch sticks with it and hope that we can maintain top 4 for next season as we must have CL in the new stadium. Personally, I doubt Poch will stay beyond this season if we fail to sign someone he targets again in January(I look at January as last chance saloon). But hope is all we have that he sticks with us through the uncertainty and hope it will pay massive dividends when we come out of it next year.

Im a bit drunk so I hope anyone reading followed that. If not, oh well.

 

[double0]

I'm a fan of levy, think he has done a great job with the resources and remit he has been given.

I also would like new owners or investment. I am tired of doing things on a shoe string. Not wanting an oil company just someone that can pay for the stadium and see us on more a level playing field to the other teams.

Until then we are only going to buy players with the money we gain from sales. Unless this window we get bids for the players we don't want nothing will happen, just as the summer.

There is a beauty in how we are progressing and the taste of sweetness will be greater when we achieve. COYS

 

[Spurrific]

There is a beauty in how we are progressing and the taste of sweetness will be greater when we achieve. COYS

We will never win a trophy, how can you guys not see that? It is our destiny.

 

[vegassd]

I mean, isn't this just common sense that Levy wasn't going to buy both.. This is the same guy that didn't buy a single fucking player this summer. So Poch had to prioritize (choose) another target in Lucas. I don't see how this is some foreign concept. Did Poch not want any players this summer either? It's the exact same debate here.

We absolutely needed Barkley back then. We had 3 attacking midfielders.

It's only common sense if you can simplify the world of football transfers down to the scope of a kid buying sweets with their pocket money. You do your chores all week, your Dad gives you a quid on Saturday morning, and then you have to decide what your going to buy within that budget. It's a can of Coke or a Mars bar - you can't afford both!

But it isn't that simple, and I think that you are well aware that it isn't that simple.

If you believe that Spurs can't finish in the top four without Barkley then that's an opinion that can be argued. I would suggest that we can because we did. If you believe that had we signed Barkley in Summer 2017 we would have won the league I would heavily dispute that.

The real shame of it is that had we signed Barkley at 35m and 120k per week then he went and got injured for 8 months, it would be the same set of fans who would say that Levy has fucked up another transfer. Had he not been injured and played really well, the same set of fans would complain Levy was blocking our academy players with egotistical signings. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

I'm pretty sure we could win a trophy in each of the next 5 seasons and the same set of fans would still say he's a shit chairman.

PS. I think we should stop using the phrase "transfer war chest" and start using "Poch-et money"

 

[vegassd]

I also would like new owners or investment. I am tired of doing things on a shoe string. Not wanting an oil company just someone that can pay for the stadium and see us on more a level playing field to the other teams.

Until then we are only going to buy players with the money we gain from sales. Unless this window we get bids for the players we don't want nothing will happen, just as the summer.

Interesting point here. If we summarise that the stadium will cost £800m that obviously requires a pretty rich owner to come in regardless of their background. Is it just the oil industry that you have a problem with? I don't mean to sound facile at all but I think this is the first time I've seen the call for a sugar daddy with a caveat on what industry they earnt their money in.

Would you be happy with Mark Zuckerberg? Or Jeff Bezos?
Mike Ashley is supposedly a Spurs fan - would you be happy if he bought the club then paid off the stadium debt?
What about a Mugabe or Jong-un type character?
Richard Branson? Call it the Virgin Stadium.
Perhaps Elon Musk and we can cover the thing in solar panels?
Red Bull? Nike? Walmart?
Or are you hoping for an investment banker type who is out of the public eye completely?

I honestly find this point interesting because I think it dives towards the feelings that us fans have in relation to the club and how money is spent. The sorts of people that would have enough money to gift us the stadium are the sorts of people who don't generally go around giving £800m gifts so it's an interesting debate about what sort of owners would be acceptable to the fans.

More interesting would be how that new owner then goes about transfers. Do we think they would listen to a manager with no major trophies in his locker (Poch) or would they buy the players they thought would grow the brand most quickly? Would they sack off Poch entirely and hire a manager they thought would grow the brand more quickly? Would we be happy with that?

 

[alexis]

This kid looks amazing. Playing in Serie B sign him up. 18 years old unreal vision. Looks like he likes a tussle too.

Sold, he looks like he can take a beating as well and is class on the ball (did not one else respond on this)

 

[cider spurs]

Sold, he looks like he can take a beating as well and is class on the ball (did not one else respond on this)

Tonali

Would have to act quick on this one.
Looks very tidy for a young 'un

Plenty of big clubs apparently showing an interest ( which one would expect if the scouting is up to scratch )

Inter supposedly to rival Juventus and Chelsea. Man City and AC Milan also mentioned.

Personally I can see him staying in Italy, especially when reading that his club owner Massive Cellino sees him as one to champion Italian football.

Football London...

“My idea for Tonali is to see him as a protagonist at an Italian club and reviving our football.”

 

[Lilbaz]

Interesting point here. If we summarise that the stadium will cost £800m that obviously requires a pretty rich owner to come in regardless of their background. Is it just the oil industry that you have a problem with? I don't mean to sound facile at all but I think this is the first time I've seen the call for a sugar daddy with a caveat on what industry they earnt their money in.

Would you be happy with Mark Zuckerberg? Or Jeff Bezos?
Mike Ashley is supposedly a Spurs fan - would you be happy if he bought the club then paid off the stadium debt?
What about a Mugabe or Jong-un type character?
Richard Branson? Call it the Virgin Stadium.
Perhaps Elon Musk and we can cover the thing in solar panels?
Red Bull? Nike? Walmart?
Or are you hoping for an investment banker type who is out of the public eye completely?

I honestly find this point interesting because I think it dives towards the feelings that us fans have in relation to the club and how money is spent. The sorts of people that would have enough money to gift us the stadium are the sorts of people who don't generally go around giving £800m gifts so it's an interesting debate about what sort of owners would be acceptable to the fans.

More interesting would be how that new owner then goes about transfers. Do we think they would listen to a manager with no major trophies in his locker (Poch) or would they buy the players they thought would grow the brand most quickly? Would they sack off Poch entirely and hire a manager they thought would grow the brand more quickly? Would we be happy with that?

I don't want a sugar daddy/oligarch. I would just like to see enough investment in the club so that we are on an even playing field to the other teams. Do you really want us trying to compete for the next 5 years on a zero net spend?

I really don't know who would be willing to invest but if i had to pick? Warren Buffet might be nice. Who would you want?

 

[DogsOfWar]

What a lot of people don’t understand is until we started competing in the CL our profits where no different to the majority of PL clubs. The majority of PL clubs 19 of them are not building a stadium, and one that’s cost have near on doubled and had a big delay. So Levy has been very cautious with spending the last decade.

This season in the summer was seen as a complete disaster and rightly so, but if Poch put the players he wanted in and out and those players didn’t want to come, or their agents or the selling club got to greedy then Levy did right. No one goes to buy a house for the value, and doesn’t try to get it for less, or pay 30-50% more.

If after the news broke about the delay, especially without a namings right, the club had no idea how much the delay was going to hit us in the pocket, and with the cost going up, the whole venture was going to hit the club. The delay has most probably the reason why 5 or 6 other players haven’t signed their improved contracts, the season tickets are being refunded, the corporate side will be costing a fortune to refund, the premium members a fortune to refund, the loss of money not coming in for everything tied in with a match day, renting Wembley on a match by match, and no one knows when that will end.

After taking the above into the thinking we also had 28 1st teamers before a ball was kicked, and other than 2 loans we failed to get rid of the 4 players we put on the market. Any new players would of wanted a decent contract, and I bet had Levy known of the delays a lot earlier the 5-6 players that have had improved contracts might of even been delayed. If we had signed a new player and they wanted 120k a week a lot of the other players who are on less would want it before we can commit.

Until we know when we will move in, and a naming rights deal has been sorted, I wouldn’t be holding out much hope for signings. Levy said the stadium wouldn’t effect spending, but I expect that to of been the case once a naming rights had been signed, and more importantly when we actually have a stadium

I'm always baffled as to how fans, who I assume all work, don't apply the same rules of the businesses they work for/run to a football club.

Every department I have ever worked for/run has a strict headcount and wage/expense budget. You can't employ extra bodies unless someone leaves, retires, or dies.
Why would our first team be any different?

And if the forecasted turnover isn't going to be hit then there's usually a spending freeze to ensure there isn't a loss.
Why wouldn't our club be any different when it became apparent the stadium wasn't going to be ready which would effect the income forecasts?

Every year Levy gets slated but every year he has grown the club in either the academy, stadium, league position, training facilities, turnover etc so why is there this cyclical abuse for someone who is likely to keep on growing the club in the future?

It's up there with people slagging off Kane for not looking good despite scoring 25 goals every season, what more do people want?*

*Doesn't include trophies! Levy is not the manager of the first team or responsible for how it is set up or plays, that is Poch.

 

[Daniel Levy]

I'm always baffled as to how fans, who I assume all work, don't apply the same rules of the businesses they work for/run to a football club.

Every department I have ever worked for/run has a strict headcount and wage/expense budget. You can't employ extra bodies unless someone leaves, retires, or dies.
Why would our first team be any different?

And if the forecasted turnover isn't going to be hit then there's usually a spending freeze to ensure there isn't a loss.
Why wouldn't our club be any different when it became apparent the stadium wasn't going to be ready which would effect the income forecasts?

Every year Levy gets slated but every year he has grown the club in either the academy, stadium, league position, training facilities, turnover etc so why is there this cyclical abuse for someone who is likely to keep on growing the club in the future?

It's up there with people slagging off Kane for not looking good despite scoring 25 goals every season, what more do people want?*

*Doesn't include trophies! Levy is not the manager of the first team or responsible for how it is set up or plays, that is Poch.

Thanks son

 

[daryl hannah]

In the interests of balance (as, there's a lot of BSoDL on this thread right now...)

"Ndiaye has explained the reason no transfer happened was entirely down to Tottenham and those in charge at the Premier League club: “The president and the owner of Tottenham are not the easiest to seduce in the transfer window. The fact that he did not leave is only the responsibility of the club. Things could not succeed for economic reasons, but it was not a drama either.”

http://sportwitness.co.uk/idea-leav...-player-cites-problems-clubs-president-owner/

As @Hercules said, Levy was overpricing those who were earmarked to move on.

Also, remember this post

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/mauricio-pochettino.126827/page-417#post-6071291

 

[shelfboy68]

I'm always baffled as to how fans, who I assume all work, don't apply the same rules of the businesses they work for/run to a football club.

Every department I have ever worked for/run has a strict headcount and wage/expense budget. You can't employ extra bodies unless someone leaves, retires, or dies.
Why would our first team be any different?

And if the forecasted turnover isn't going to be hit then there's usually a spending freeze to ensure there isn't a loss.
Why wouldn't our club be any different when it became apparent the stadium wasn't going to be ready which would effect the income forecasts?

Every year Levy gets slated but every year he has grown the club in either the academy, stadium, league position, training facilities, turnover etc so why is there this cyclical abuse for someone who is likely to keep on growing the club in the future?

It's up there with people slagging off Kane for not looking good despite scoring 25 goals every season, what more do people want?*

*Doesn't include trophies! Levy is not the manager of the first team or responsible for how it is set up or plays, that is Poch.

Great post Mr chairman

 

[Spurrific]

In the interests of balance (as, there's a lot of BSoDL on this thread right now...)

"Ndiaye has explained the reason no transfer happened was entirely down to Tottenham and those in charge at the Premier League club: “The president and the owner of Tottenham are not the easiest to seduce in the transfer window. The fact that he did not leave is only the responsibility of the club. Things could not succeed for economic reasons, but it was not a drama either.”

http://sportwitness.co.uk/idea-leav...-player-cites-problems-clubs-president-owner/

As @Hercules said, Levy was overpricing those who were earmarked to move on.

Also, remember this post

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/mauricio-pochettino.126827/page-417#post-6071291

Sorry - but, obviously! Any man or his literate dog could have told us that was the case.

 

[spursfan77]

Betis declared they will use of the transfer option in the loan contract (20m euros). So he's no longer a PSG player

We used to be good of making use of these low release clauses for players. No idea why we don't pursue them more.

 

[vegassd]

I don't want a sugar daddy/oligarch. I would just like to see enough investment in the club so that we are on an even playing field to the other teams. Do you really want us trying to compete for the next 5 years on a zero net spend?

I really don't know who would be willing to invest but if i had to pick? Warren Buffet might be nice. Who would you want?

I'm personally happy with ENIC as you can probably tell. They are using the business profits to fund business growth. I don't like the idea of somebody coming in and splashing a load of money around - that's how cretins solve problems. I like the idea of identifying the things that hinder us and finding proper solutions to them.

I totally agree with you about wanting to compete on an even playing field. I would venture that the training facilities and stadium are huge parts of making that happen. If we had out-of-date facilities then we might be able to sign £70m players but would we be able to keep them when Madrid/United/City come knocking? Probably not, and we have seen evidence of this over the past two decades.

My opinion has always been that if you want to be regularly successful in football (or any sport I guess) you need to build a club and not just a group of players. I think this motto becomes more true as money floods into the game. There have been any number of teams who have won a trophy during my lifetime either through a great team or luck of the draw, but where are Wigan and Portsmouth and Swansea and Birmingham now?

Nobody can buy a single team and expect to become regular winners. You need to be able to keep that team together and improve upon it year on year. That of course requires money, but winning the FA cup will not garner the sort of global exposure required to fund wages of 150k and up. For that you have to do all the boring crap like corporate partnerships, infrastructure and the small matter of being in the CL as often as possible.

You either fund that through gradual business growth or through a sugar daddy. And as we are starting to learn, even the sugar daddies have to break the rules in order to do it.

Anyway, this is getting further off topic, so... Ndombele is great. Rabiot is going to Barca. De Ligt is probably a bit over-hyped.
But none of that matters because Levy is a prick and we are never going to sign any players ever again.

 

[Daniel Levy]

Levy is a prick and we are never going to sign any players ever again.

We're signing someone in 2020 so up yours cleverclogs.

Boys! Give him the saveloy.

 

[Ossie85]

We used to be good of making use of these low release clauses for players. No idea why we don't pursue them more.

That's not a release clause. It's the purchase option of the loan contract.
We would've had to loan the player and negotiate that purchase option

 

[spurs9]

totally agree, and even more urgency to start buying HG eventually. not sure when and even what comp, but the HG quota is increasing soon (not the Brexit chat)

The Premier League rejected the proposal.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/nov/21/premier-league-rejects-fa-proposal-homegrown-quotas

 

[spurs9]

I'm talking the 25 man squad. We have to shift a few before we can get more.

Most of the CMs we are being linked with are 21 or under, so we could bring them in the Jan window and we wouldn't have to worry about them in the PL squad as the are under 21. CL would be an issue, but we have to qualify from our group, which will be a huge challenge, before we worry about that.

It looks likely that Dembele will leave in the summer, so they just take his place next season.