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gibbs131

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My point: It is absolutely valid that we need the right mentality in future Spurs signings.

No more young dumb and full of cash please Arry!
 

joey55

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I'm not sure we are even having the same argument here. I'm not talking baout how our players behave, but that it's a myth that London is a particuarly bad place for footballers compared to other big cities. None of the behaviour you are talking about happens becasue they play in London. All these things can happen in any major city and do. Joey Barton and Steven Gerrard were both caught in fights on camera in other cities. Wayne Rooney managed to screw hooker at 16 when living in Liverpool. And I doubt the paparazzi are out in force in Portsmouth. Just because the media attention isn't there, doesn't mean the opportunity to behave badly isn't. The whole thing about London being a bad place for footballers is nonsense. As you said they are millionaires and can find trouble anywhere they live. The idea of London being a bad place for footballers is old fashioned and quite honestly a bit condesending towards other cities. I think people like Alex Ferguson seem to think that up north the clubs are still like Phoenix Nights. Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham etc are now cosmopolitan cities with hundreds of nice places where young wealthy people can go and get into all sorts of trouble. Wasn't the player that initiated this whole discussion, Robinho, involved is some kind of rape scandal whilst out partying with Jo? I'm pretty sure that happened in Leeds or Manchester.
 

gibbs131

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I'm not sure we are even having the same argument here. I'm not talking baout how our players behave, but that it's a myth that London is a particuarly bad place for footballers compared to other big cities. None of the behaviour you are talking about happens becasue they play in London. All these things can happen in any major city and do. Joey Barton and Steven Gerrard were both caught in fights on camera in other cities. Wayne Rooney managed to screw hooker at 16 when living in Liverpool. And I doubt the paparazzi are out in force in Portsmouth. Just because the media attention isn't there, doesn't mean the opportunity to behave badly isn't. The whole thing about London being a bad place for footballers is nonsense. As you said they are millionaires and can find trouble anywhere they live. The idea of London being a bad place for footballers is old fashioned and quite honestly a bit condesending towards other cities. I think people like Alex Ferguson seem to think that up north the clubs are still like Phoenix Nights. Manchester, Leeds and Birmingham etc are now cosmopolitan cities with hundreds of nice places where young wealthy people can go and get into all sorts of trouble. Wasn't the player that initiated this whole discussion, Robinho, involved is some kind of rape scandal whilst out partying with Jo? I'm pretty sure that happened in Leeds or Manchester.

I don't care what you say. London has many times more superficial bumf to fill players heads with than other cities in the UK. More TV studios, more advertising BS (Bentley should be kicking balls into goals than into skips and worrying about his DB brand) How many Mrs UK pagents, DJ WAGS, movie premiere red carpets, agencies, bimbos, bookies, posses, clubs etc etc etc etc are there compared to other cities? The clubs are nicer, the birds fitter and the casinos closer and that spelt disaster for many Spurs players.

Lennon got so homesick he basically lived in night clubs along with Hud. One SC poster said he has seen them out together 40+ times. And that was years ago.

London did not help the fact that we went through a long period of buying young players.
 

danielneeds

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London did not help the fact that we went through a long period of buying young players.

Yeah it was shit when we started buying young, hungry players. Two 5th places and CC.

I much prefered the 90s where we bought "experience"... We were really good then.

You still don't understand that players socializing together actually forms bonds tighter than anything you can get from guys who have a merely professional relationship - and that does count for something on the pitch. Yes, in this country socializing = booze, but that is more indicative with this country's culture, than our players.

Of course players have been seduced by the bright lights of a big city, but that is the sort of thing an experienced manager can nip in the bud.
 

Caboose

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Robinho, involved is some kind of rape scandal whilst out partying with Jo? I'm pretty sure that happened in Leeds or Manchester.

That was in The Space in Leeds.. I love it, funkydory on a Sunday night.. it's a small place where you only buy water, strange that there were there...
 

walworthyid

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WOW, what a bizarre statement.

I'd argue that the likes of: Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Fabiano, Kaka, Diego, Maicon, Alves, Baptista, Rivaldo, Pato, Juninho Pernambucano, Adriano, and some others would think differently.

Fair enough, but not all of those have conquered the world and none of those have played in England (except Baptista who was poor)!

My point is more that there is a new "Pele" or "Ronaldo" touted around every year and the vast majority of them go on to play in very average leagues for very average teams.

I have never been impressed by Robinho and don't see him as a player that I would want at spurs.

Also, I did say that the "flair" players don't always work out and of those you listed the only ones that did it consistently for their entire careers were Cafu and Roberto Carlos!

But I will bow to your superior knowledge and accept that my point was not quite right!
 

gibbs131

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Yeah it was shit when we started buying young, hungry players. Two 5th places and CC.

I much prefered the 90s where we bought "experience"... We were really good then.

We were broke in the 90s BTW.

It is almost like Spurs worst ever start to a season in our 100 year history never happened. Thank you RECORD Jan spending and thank you HR.
 

danielneeds

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We were broke in the 90s BTW.

It is almost like Spurs worst ever start to a season in our 100 year history never happened. Thank you RECORD Jan spending and thank you HR.

11m on Rebrov, 6m on Ferdinand, 4.5m on Chris Armstrong, 4m Ruel Fox, we still spent our fair share.

Yes we did have the worst start, but that was down to poor management. Young players need more guidance than more experienced ones (ie the Chelsea team managing itself after Mourinho left.).
 

ultimateloner

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Berbatov would be the best options. Adds a new dimension to our play and would make good use of Bale and Lennon's support.
 

ryantegan

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why not buy Luis Fabiano and Diego Forlan. should be around 10-15 mil each. upgrades on pav and keane!!
 

Legend10

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If you want a party life and you have multi millions it really doesn't matter where you live.
 

Dan Ashcroft

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why not buy Luis Fabiano and Diego Forlan. should be around 10-15 mil each. upgrades on pav and keane!!

I think it'll be more £20-25m each and neither are spring chickens. As a pairing they also both lack aerial prowess, which is crucial in the EPL.

I'd also much rather we bought one £30m #9 and switched to a variation of 4-5-1.
 

InOffMeLeftShin

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I think it'll be more £20-25m each and neither are spring chickens. As a pairing they also both lack aerial prowess, which is crucial in the EPL.

I'd also much rather we bought one £30m #9 and switched to a variation of 4-5-1.

Why? Because everyone else does it? If we wanted to switch to a variation of 4-5-1 we would need a lot more than just a #9 because your wide forwards need to chip in with plenty of goals and be up there supporting the front man (otherwise he will be completely isolated). It also favours narrower wide play with the wide forwards cutting in. What would we do with Lennon and Bale? Neither want to cut in. Then we don't have a central midfield player capable of 15 to 20 goals so that would be another signing we would need to make.

Even if we did sign a #9, 2 wide men who cut in and a goal scoring midfielder we would then have to drill the squad to play in that style 5 years after all of our competitors already play in. We would be playing catch up. Teams are now getting much better at setting up against 1 forward and are setting up with big slow centre backs who are strong in the air. We have the potential stretch the centre backs and cause them plenty of problems and did so even if our current strikers don't have great movement and weren't hitting the target enough.

All of the strengths of our squad suit 442, opposition teams are maybe better than us player for player in the same formation, teams are facing 451 almost every week except against us, so why would we change? :shrug:

£25m and rising for Fabiano...

Rising because of a couple of goals against a poor Ivory Coast side? He had enough exposure before surely? All those teams better than us know all about Fabiano already.
 

Locotoro

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Regarding the tactical discussion. I would say that at the back end of last season we were playing a 451 at times with one of the forwards dropping deep to close down the oppositions holding player and this worked quite well. I don't think a dramatic change in lineup is required.

What we do lack is someone who can really hold the ball on his own. It doesn't have to be a huge lug, it could also work with a strong yet technical player like berbs or perhaps forlan.

Luis fabiano would be a great foil as a goalscorer but others will have to judge whether he would drop drop to win the ball back and create chances for his partner up the field or whether he could work hard enough and if he is technical enough to hold up play enough to allow for support.
 
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