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Why sell Dembele? Useful player to keep around.

Better ask Dembele if he's happy enough (eventually ;)) getting off the bench. If he sees himself as an important part of the squad then ok, but if not then I'm sure he would want regular footie.
 

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Better ask Dembele if he's happy enough (eventually ;)) getting off the bench. If he sees himself as an important part of the squad then ok, but if not then I'm sure he would want regular footie.

The amount of games we are playing he will definitely be a regular.
 

cliff jones

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Capoue out, not Dembele. Still want to see MD further forward when others are injured/need a rest, starting with Burnley in the Cup. Cabaye is, assuming he hasn't slowed up too much, a top player with a bit of everything- including 6-8 goals per season. He can shoot alright.

If we are dealing though it really does need to be early, Mason's injured and Bentaleb's off so deadline day would be stupid for the sake of a million or two, as it always is.
 

DaSpurs

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Why sell Dembele? Useful player to keep around.

Because IMO those wages could be better used than a player who is useful every so often. Yes, he was wonderful yesterday in that match. He did well because after we scored, and especially after we went ahead, Chelsea's midfielders defended with frustration and collapsed upon him, thus opening up the field and playing into his hands. But as soon as we play a smaller team that will instead try to frustrate us, we'll see why his possession-based game isn't quite as useful in every situation.

Cabaye would command a hefty salary, but IMO would improve us immensely. His skillset is the very kind we're missing to consistently break down these sides that attempt to frustrate us. Would prefer to sell Paulinho and Dembele both to have the funds to bring him in and pay those wages, as I feel that would be an investment with more return.

All that having been said, we go after a much cheaper option such as Delph, then no I would not sell Dembele.
 
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Hoddle&Waddle

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I'm not a fan of Dembele but tbf to him he has played well these last few weeks. You'd have to think Capoue and Paulinho would be the ones to go as things stand.

We could sell Naughton Kaboul and Capoue and not even notice they were gone.
 

Snarfalicious

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I'm not a fan of Dembele but tbf to him he has played well these last few weeks. You'd have to think Capoue and Paulinho would be the ones to go as things stand.

We could sell Naughton Kaboul and Capoue and not even notice they were gone.

And, if we were able to sell those three, that's a fair chunk of change to put towards one player that could really help us out.
 

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Because IMO those wages could be better used than a player who is useful every so often. Yes, he was wonderful yesterday in that match. He did well because after we scored, and especially after we went ahead, Chelsea's midfielders defended with frustration and collapsed upon him, thus opening up the field and playing into his hands. But as soon as we play a smaller team that will instead try to frustrate us, we'll see why his possession-based game isn't quite as useful in every situation.

Cabaye would command a hefty salary, but IMO would improve us immensely. His skillset is the very kind we're missing to consistently break down these sides that attempt to frustrate us. Would prefer to sell Paulinho and Dembele both to have the funds to bring him in and pay those wages, as I feel that would be an investment with more return.

All that having been said, we go after a much cheaper option such as Delph, then no I would not sell Dembele.
With Capoue and Paulinho hopefully out there is no need to let go of Dembele. From ITK and our spend in the summer we have enough to afford significant transfer fees, it's just wages that would be problematic. But with Capoue and Paulinho out there's about £100k a week there. And who knows, we just might be able to get shut of Kaboul & Adebayor too.

Dembele will be needed when the going gets tough in multiple competitions. It's very naive to just assume we sell everyone and our squad depth won't be affected. We need to be careful, because if we get through in the FA Cup then we'll have even more games to contest in the second half of the season.

Maybe in the summer we should consider letting go of Mousa, and looking at the academy for a replacement.
 

DaSpurs

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With Capoue and Paulinho hopefully out there is no need to let go of Dembele. From ITK and our spend in the summer we have enough to afford significant transfer fees, it's just wages that would be problematic. But with Capoue and Paulinho out there's about £100k a week there. And who knows, we just might be able to get shut of Kaboul & Adebayor too.

Dembele will be needed when the going gets tough in multiple competitions. It's very naive to just assume we sell everyone and our squad depth won't be affected. We need to be careful, because if we get through in the FA Cup then we'll have even more games to contest in the second half of the season.

Maybe in the summer we should consider letting go of Mousa, and looking at the academy for a replacement.

Never did I suggest we sell everyone, but I think it much more naive given the context of our situation that we think we can just pull I whoever without respect towards the wages (not implying you didn't consider that, but my argument had to be taken under that context). Every single post I make in this sub-forum is with respect towards the squad numbers and compatibility, as it's something I've been very passionate that the club has not paid respect to in recent years and why I believe Mitchell was aggressively brought in.

What I suggested is that we make whatever moves necessary from fringe players in order to improve the first team. If we do manage to sell Capoue along with Paulinho, then yeah that absolutely accomplishes that motive. But I think Dembele would be an easier sale, and the point is that I would flog him for the sake of Cabaye. If no Cabaye specifically, then I would absolutely keep Dembele as there are no other realistic targets who would cost anything near him. By keeping Dembele, that would also of course allow us to sell Capoue with respect towards both finances and squad positions.
 

WiganSpur

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Never did I suggest we sell everyone, but I think it much more naive given the context of our situation that we think we can just pull I whoever without respect towards the wages (not implying you didn't consider that, but my argument had to be taken under that context). Every single post I make in this sub-forum is with respect towards the squad numbers and compatibility, as it's something I've been very passionate that the club has not paid respect to in recent years and why I believe Mitchell was aggressively brought in.

What I suggested is that we make whatever moves necessary from fringe players in order to improve the first team. If we do manage to sell Capoue along with Paulinho, then yeah that absolutely accomplishes that motive. But I think Dembele would be an easier sale, and the point is that I would flog him for the sake of Cabaye. If no Cabaye specifically, then I would absolutely keep Dembele as there are no other realistic targets who would cost anything near him. By keeping Dembele, that would also of course allow us to sell Capoue with respect towards both finances and squad positions.
That's a fair opinion, but ideally we'd like both the physicality of Dembele and creativity of Cabaye. Hopefully we can get shut of those we really don't need though. I just think if we let Mousa go for Cabaye then i'd like us to bring in another big bastard to complement him.
 

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He was on our radar in the past. It looks like we approached him after Modric left, but he didn't want to leave Newcastle.

“For me the Premier League is the best league in the world, you have to work twice as hard and we know about the high tempo in every match. This is what attracted me and I will develop physically.”

“The offer from Tottenham was to replace Modric.” “If I had wanted to leave I would have; I have not left, I was not meant to leave as I am still here and I hope a lot of good things will come out of it”.
 

DaSpurs

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That's a fair opinion, but ideally we'd like both the physicality of Dembele and creativity of Cabaye. Hopefully we can get shut of those we really don't need though. I just think if we let Mousa go for Cabaye then i'd like us to bring in another big bastard to complement him.

And that's fair. I think Dembele proved yesterday that there are situations where physicality is necessary, but not always for the sake of defense. He gave us a strong foundation in midfield yesterday from which to feed off of, and Chelsea played right into our hands by their midfielders constantly collapsing on him to try and win the ball. Their frustration won out, as Hazard in particular should have known damn well that it takes at least four to win the ball off a stationary Mousa Dembele.

So while I give proper respect to the usefulness of Dembele in certain scenarios, and physicality as well, I think the improvement of Cabaye in particular would be worth that sacrifice.

Of course, I don't think there's much chance if any of us actually pursuing him as I think the only purchase at the position we would entertain (for financial reasons) would be Delph. And of course again, I wouldn't sell Dembele in that scenario.
 

Yiddo94

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Starting to worry that the bindippers might see him as a Gerrard replacement and go in for him.
 

Lenny Leonard

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One of my best mates is a PSG fan and he says there's nothing over there about Spurs being in for Cabaye. IMO he's just what we need in the squad
 

DaSpurs

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One of my best mates is a PSG fan and he says there's nothing over there about Spurs being in for Cabaye. IMO he's just what we need in the squad

Figures. Highly doubt we'd be interested unless we suddenly see serious interest in several of our more expensive midfielders, and even then I think we'd spend the funds elsewhere.
 
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