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LiamJM10

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Any payment a club gives to hulk would lead to an income tax liability so if it cost 30m to buy out contract we would have to pay him close to double that to cover tax & buyout

So it's no different in price to purchasing him from Zenit. Except we could do it when we want with no negotiations.
 

Barry Mead

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I'd assumed that Chadli was Plan B for Villa as part of a front three. Villa signed for AM on 8th July. Chadli signed for Tottenham on 21st July. I'd always though that Villa would not have been our only front three player. We were after Benteke and Villa at the same time. We got Chadli and Soldado instead. Chadli is apparently a flexible player who can play in a front free or as attacking central midfielder, providing us with cover. We were only in for Willian because he suddenly became available and AVB likes him. We got Eriksen instead, who was our pre-Willian target. Lamela was someone known to and admired by Baldini and was always a target.
That's the way I saw it as unfolding.

Before Willian suddenly was on the market we had reportedly put a bid in for Bernard and it seems when Willian appeared gettable we switched our interest. I think we are still looking for a lw/attacker we simply ran out of time and decent options were considered tough targets, we supposedly had an offer rejected for Mata and would no doubt have tried for Griezmann if we thought there was any chance he might have moved and would have forsaken his chance of CL football this season
 

Quiffco

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Sorry for being dense. Wasn't there a recent window when some clubs were able to still sort out loans after the end of the permanent transfers?


You can loan a player in an emergency where a team has an a severe lack of cover in a particular position (usually keeper as it requires specific skills) and subject to approval by the league authority.

Man City loaned our very own Marton Fulop on 27th April 2010, using the emergency loan exception.

In this situation, their primary keeper (Given) had a serious shoulder injury, their 2 backup keepers were also injured and Hart was out on loan at Birmingham (assume he couldn't be recalled), leaving them with just a very inexperienced 5th choice keeper.

Unless Bob, Defoe, Ade, Kane and anyone else able to cover the CF postion is suddenly injured, I don't think we'd be able to bring in an additional striker under this exception.
 

tom4s

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Would love to hear some ITK on contract extensions soon. Top priorities for me would be:

Kaboul (1 year left, i guess this is down to him proving he can recover from the injury)
AVB (2 years left, extension for him is of great symbolic value)
Vertonghen (3 years left)
LLoris (3 years left)
Sandro (3 years left)
 

elfy

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So it's no different in price to purchasing him from Zenit. Except we could do it when we want with no negotiations.

My understanding is that there is clear agreement amongst all clubs NEVER to use the Webster ruling.

It would end transfer fees in an instant if ever used, so I thought that there was agreement that any player that used the ruling to end his contract would not never play professional football again - hence why it has yet to be used by a player.
 

$hoguN

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Would love to hear some ITK on contract extensions soon. Top priorities for me would be:

Kaboul (1 year left, i guess this is down to him proving he can recover from the injury)
AVB (2 years left, extension for him is of great symbolic value)
Vertonghen (3 years left)
LLoris (3 years left)
Sandro (3 years left)

Offering a Kaboul a new contract before we are sure he is over his knee issues wouldn't be financially prudent
 

silentownage001

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Before Willian suddenly was on the market we had reportedly put a bid in for Bernard and it seems when Willian appeared gettable we switched our interest.


The earliest I can find anything about Anzhi's fire sale was on August 7th. Bernard signed for Shakhtar on the 8th. I think by the 7th we had given up as we hadn't even agreed with his club. We would probably have known by then that he was going to sign for Shakhtar before it was official.
 

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Barry Mead

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The earliest I can find anything about Anzhi's fire sale was on August 7th. Bernard signed for Shakhtar on the 8th. I think by the 7th we had given up as we hadn't even agreed with his club. We would probably have known by then that he was going to sign for Shakhtar before it was official.

Yeah I know the time scales were tight but I was thinking they would have made some calls to certain clubs some time before it was in the public domain.

I think that we been the only offer on the table till Shakhtar came in and I wonder if we might have upped our offer to compete with Shakhtar if we hadn't thought William was available and by comparison worth the extra.

Who knows how well or how quickly Bernard will establish himself, I can't say if possible news of Willian being available might have meant we switched targets or if as you say we had decided our offer was our final one. It looks unfortunate that we didn't add a left sided attacker although I'm hoping come January we make an attempt for Griezmann. If they are out of the CL by then it may very well give us a chance, I can't imagine him moving if they make the next stage
 

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I think that we been the only offer on the table till Shakhtar came in and I wonder if we might have upped our offer to compete with Shakhtar if we hadn't thought William was available and by comparison worth the extra.


Didn't Porto have an offer? I believe Arsenal never made an offer.
 

Barry Mead

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Didn't Porto have an offer? I believe Arsenal never made an offer.

I thought they said they were interested, didn't hear they ever actually made an offer, but they may have done, there name was certainly being banded about though how much that was to get others interested and how much they had shown serious interest enough to table an offer who knows?
 

Kendall

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Any payment a club gives to hulk would lead to an income tax liability so if it cost 30m to buy out contract we would have to pay him close to double that to cover tax & buyout

Not necessarily. If he's tax resident in Russia, then the rates are much more favourable.
 

silentownage001

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It looks unfortunate that we didn't add a left sided attacker although I'm hoping come January we make an attempt for Griezmann. If they are out of the CL by then it may very well give us a chance, I can't imagine him moving if they make the next stage


Were we ever linked with Iker Muniain? I'm not sure who I'd want between him and Griezmann.
 

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I've seen him mentioned, but I didn't find a thread for him. It must have been when ITK said we were looking in Spain at players with buyout clauses.

Since Griezmann plays on the left and is left footed he isn't inverted so I was wondering how he would fit in AVB's plans, but he scored 11 in 35 in all comps last season so I don't think it really matters. Since Muniain is right footed he fits AVB's inverted wingers plan. Muniain doesn't really score though. So I think I'd take Griezmann as he looks to be a bigger goal threat.
 

tiger666

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I've seen him mentioned, but I didn't find a thread for him. It must have been when ITK said we were looking in Spain at players with buyout clauses.

Since Griezmann plays on the left and is left footed he isn't inverted so I was wondering how he would fit in AVB's plans, but he scored 11 in 35 in all comps last season so I don't think it really matters. Since Muniain is right footed he fits AVB's inverted wingers plan. Muniain doesn't really score though. So I think I'd take Griezmann as he looks to be a bigger goal threat.

Oh he may have been linked in a paper, but I'm pretty sure there was no ITK on him.
 

AUSpur

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I've seen him mentioned, but I didn't find a thread for him. It must have been when ITK said we were looking in Spain at players with buyout clauses.

Since Griezmann plays on the left and is left footed he isn't inverted so I was wondering how he would fit in AVB's plans, but he scored 11 in 35 in all comps last season so I don't think it really matters. Since Muniain is right footed he fits AVB's inverted wingers plan. Muniain doesn't really score though. So I think I'd take Griezmann as he looks to be a bigger goal threat.


His name was brought up when some ITK said we were interested in a Spanish U-21 who could play as a striker or wide in a front 3.
 

Paolo10

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Still no Itk from what went on during deadline day?

Good window overall (and well overdue at that), but typically we didn't seem to get 1 or 2 done that we probably needed to. Would love to know what went on and how the window has been viewed by 'insiders'. I'd give it a solid 7 or 8 out of 10 if there was a ratings thread for the window!
 

Jospur

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This place seems like a ghost town now. Has everyone left the ship?

I'm still very curious to know from the ITKs as to what happened in the last few days of the Window.

What happened to the 'jaw-dropping' player that was mentioned?

What happened to the 'two, maybe three' that more than one of the ITKs (I think) said that we should expect.

We did well to bring in so much new talent over the summer but the last few days was a bit of a come-down for me.

I feel that this Forum was used by the Club to perpetuate a possible myth that 'Uncle Joe' was stumping up extra cash for a real charge up the table when it was probably only a bridging loan until the Bale money from RM was sorted out. Do others feel the same?

In the end it was a net-spend summer, while our competitors actually spent considerably more than they took in from player sales. Good as our team looks, does this reality concern others in this Forum or is everyone perfectly happy?

If we fail to make it into the Champions League spots this season does it mean we can look forward to any of Vertonghen, Sandro and who knows leaving next summer?

Lots to think about...

Would love to hear updates from the ITKs!
 

tiger666

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I feel that this Forum was used by the Club to perpetuate a possible myth that 'Uncle Joe' was stumping up extra cash for a real charge up the table when it was probably only a bridging loan until the Bale money from RM was sorted out. Do others feel the same?

Nope.

In the end it was a net-spend summer, while our competitors actually spent considerably more than they took in from player sales. Good as our team looks, does this reality concern others in this Forum or is everyone perfectly happy?

I'm happy.

If we fail to make it into the Champions League spots this season does it mean we can look forward to any of Vertonghen, Sandro and who knows leaving next summer?

Who knows.
 
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