HotspurFC1950
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AVB felt let down wanted to leave !! long read but worth it...
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AVB did also voice concern over Levy's way of cont
Don't know if any further knowledge is availabe.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/tottenham-unlikely-to-match-24m-fee-1326325
Don't know if any further knowledge is availabe.
The only thing that that article seems to suggest as definite is that Spurs had agreed a deal for Moutinho until Porto moved the goalposts at the last minute. If (and it is only "if") Levy refused to go back in for Moutinho, then it is quite likely because he had no desire to do further business with Porto - at least until they had sorted out the third party ownership issues. Can you blame him for that?
Donki
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I was under the impression Levy allowed him to talk to PSG. Maybe AVB wanted to do more than 1 season at a single club. Zlatan would have tore AVB new ass hole if he tried to pull any of that training with the kids nonsense, I can't see the 2 of them seeing eye to eye.
Pretty much, yearh. We had lost our playmaker in Modric, and Levy not acquiring Moutinho seems inexcusable to me.
If I can blame Levy for what - according to your theory - is Levy not buying Moutinho because "he had no desire to do further business with Porto"?
Sounds pretty insane to me, yearh.
Now, the Moutinho thing is just a rumour, but handling of transfers in the first window clearly frustrated AVB. I'm not saying they necessarily should, i'm just saying it.
playboypaul
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Once again, the only reason we didn't sign Moutinho is because Porto moved the goalposts at the last minute. Levy was quite right not to enter into a deal for Moutinho subsequently until Porto had sorted out the third party ownership issues.
Failing to secure signings until late August might be frustrating but isn't a failure to support the manager. Pretty much every club does it. As often as not, there isn't a deal to be done until late in the window, with both clubs and players holding out as long as possible for the best offer. And it's generally even more difficult for Spurs, given that we are usually competing for high level players without being the richest or highest level club.
With all the things AVB is being blamed for, it is only fair to blame Levy for the Moutinho affair - at least based on what is somehow public knowledge.
And that is that AVB saw him as absolutely essential to implement his philosophy, and that he wanted to join us. Conducting the transfer is ultimately Levy's responsibility, and he failed.
Kendall
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M8 u carnt legisl8 4 broken fax masheens.
Yeah you may be right to a point. I wouldn't call it failure when there are agreements to be made with multiple parties and one of them is being a dick (3rd party).
Lets not forget what money Moutinho eventually went for. You can understand why the third party felt they were getting short changed on their investment.
It was up to Levy to try and do a deal, taking into account factors concerning AVB's preference and value to the club within a certain budget. If negotiations go beyond those budgets, or a party is taking the piss, then that's not failure, thats a breakdown in communication.
Plus, I think this Moutinho shit is being overblown anyway - as if that one player is somehow to blame. He had 100m worth of top talent purchased in the summer. If he can't get them playing well and has to cry about not getting a particular player from his wonder year at Porto, you have to wonder what kind of manager he is.
danielneeds
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When AVB got the job we were told he impressed Levy with his detailed scouting dossier picking the emerging talents in world football. Then when he gets the job all he wanted are top end signings like Moutinho and Hulk. If he sold himself to Levy on finding and developing the next stars, can he reallly have anything to be disgruntled about though?
Kendall
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Wasn't he a scout at Chelsea? or at least scouting was a part of his role at Chelsea. Funny that when you consider he didn't actually build that Porto team, got success and then wanted the players that got him that success. Sounds like a fraud without a repeatable plan to me.
danielneeds
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Pretty much all managers are attracted to players who have previously bought them success though, Mourinho with Deco, Carvalho, Essien, Eto'o, etc.
I just mean, there seemed to be very little evidence of managing expectations from both sides, which led us to this mess.
Absolute nonsense. If he relies that much on one player he can't call himself a top coach. Say we'd bought Moutinho and he broke a leg 2 games in? AVB would be the same as Sam hoofball Allardyce because his no1 target was injured.
A professional, top level coach with the players at his disposal should have produced a more attractive, dynamic outfit than the average, sideways passing team we've been watching all season.
We can't beat anyone in the top half, haven't scored more than twice in a match and we've got a MINUS 6 goal difference. I really don't understand the view that he should be given time or that he has some kind of 'philosophy' - there is blind faith about him & he's never justified it. There were NO signs of us improving, we were getting worse.
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I think he lacked self belief he only trusted the players he had worked with before, All top end Marquee signings no less and when he couldn't get them he threw a strop. He couldn't see the merits of the other players that had been signed.
We had some young backups for the deeper lying playmaker, and some options at the AM, but I believe Moutinho was absolutely essential for the system AVB was trying to implement. You can call that nonsense, but is is just matter of fact in so many top clubs. United without Carrick and RvP is shit, even when they won the PL. Liverpoool without Suarez/Sturridge etc etc.
Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
Have you even considered why we were passing the ball sideaways a lot of time?
I believe he should have been given more time, because there were a lot of promising aspects in the way we played. Sometime the difference between being a genius and looking like an idiot is very thin. With a manager like AVB - who relies so ideologically on his system and philosophy - this is even more true.
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The fact is there are two sides to every story, I wanted AVB to succeed but the fact that niggles me is that he has been unable to get even one of the players that were brought in at the start of the season to perform anywhere near their best. It has been so obvious that certain players needed a run of games to settle in to the team and if anyone says that they weren't his choice, then do you really want a manager who would risk the sending the club into a downward spiral to make his point?
The team on Sunday looked like 11 strangers and worse than that, they looked beaten at the start of the match, he had to go, nowhere I've worked is perfect, but at least I adapt and work to my best potential.
The team on Sunday looked like 11 strangers and worse than that, they looked beaten at the start of the match, he had to go, nowhere I've worked is perfect, but at least I adapt and work to my best potential.
Imnotacticalgenius
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You may think that its nonsense, but a coach (even the top ones) would have an easier time, if he has an influential player who understand the system that he is preaching. Carvalho was brought to Chelsea by Mourinho. Mourinho also wanted Deco too, but Deco finally chose Barcelona, when initially he said he would be going to Chelsea.
Brendan Rodgers brought Joe Allen to liverpool with him right? There are many similar examples....
Japhet
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Would Moutinho have been able to turn Dawson into a CB capable of playing a high line against Aguero or Saurez? No, didn't think so. The fact is that AVB was too stubborn to adapt. The Chelsea players knew that his system didn't fit them and rebelled. At Spurs he was allowed to persist with it and we got tanked in quick succession. As I said in a different thread, AVB reminds me of a chef who, when given some of the best ingredients available, could only come up with a bowl of stodge.
AVB was stubborn about his system - we knew it when he was hired, and Levy even endorsed it.
Now, the high defensive line is facing a lot of criticism, but when Vert played CB and Rose at LB and Lloris was performing consistently (the first ten matches of the season or so) - then our defensive performances were some of the best we have seen in Spurs for years.
