Jordy Clasie

Snarfalicious said:

I would love to have him as a DLP given that he's obviously got passing talent but he can also contribute and will contribute by breaking up play effectively.

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Diagnostic peritoneal lavage? Though a nice skill to have, I cant see the applucability on a football pitch. Also a bit outdated, considering the ease of sonography in this day and age

Edit: sorry, read dpl dyslipoproteinemia?

DaSpurs said:

Big Holtby fan, but he actually while being slightly larger than Clasie is actually worse defensively. He's excellent in feeding the attack, but he just does not get stuck in enough. I also have yet to be impressed with Bentaleb. Solid enough utility player, but he offers nothing unique and is highly predictable in his ball movement. I'd like to see Carroll come good though, he could make it at Spurs.

Erego, the point of all this: Clasie offers many things we lack in a single player whose role it is to connect everything yet not sacrifice in defense. We have not had such a player since the departure of Modric.

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I see your point and I like Clasie I just think we've got more pressing matters such as defence, and as we're Tottenham Hotspur we've got a limited budget. It doesn't make much sense splashing the cash on another midfielder that might make us marginally better at the expense of a vastly improved defence.

WiganSpur said:

I see your point and I like Clasie I just think we've got more pressing matters such as defence, and as we're Tottenham Hotspur we've got a limited budget. It doesn't make much sense splashing the cash on another midfielder that might make us marginally better at the expense of a vastly improved defence.

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I think you're absolutely correct in this regard. I'm still of the opinion that our primary issue is in midfield (central players and wingers), but you're absolutely right that financially speaking, squad improvement per pound would be much higher in the back line.

TheAmerican said:

His work rate is incredible, but he simply isn't as versatile as Strootman. van Gaal needs someone who can play in front and dictate the tempo from in back. He would be great to partner with a more creative player, but van Gaal will be looking for a player to work on both defense and offense (a real Gerrard-type), and Clasie has failed to meet expectations on the international stage. He hasn't held onto the ball well (lacks physicality) and has gone completely missing in many of his caps. He needs to mature his game a bit before he is ready for the next step (which is why I also don't think he is ready for the EPL). I definitely think he will get there some day, as he most definitely has the drive and skillset to get there.

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Strootman is a curious player, he is very complete, can get up and down the field very quickly and is a decent tackler, a decent interpasser and scores a few goals. He is older than Clasie and Clasie though imo a great little player still has his odd times when he shows he has things to learn.
All that said though I'd take Clasie ahead of Strootman for several reasons, first I think he has a better range of passing, his vision and reaction to a run is quick as he sees and he plays the pass, Strootman doesn't make the longer range passes as much as Clasie he likes to get up there, Clasie lets the ball get there and follows up. I think Clasie is more of a harrier in his tackling, Strootman is a good tackler and will get back quickly and put in a good tackle, but Clasie will harry more and that can slow an attack just as much as a tackle.
Neither are particularly strong at taking a man on and dribbling past, Strootman clearly has an aerial advantage
But the thing for me is that Clasie seems to have more desire, despite all Strootman's abilities and strengths he has his "stroller" moments when he appears as if at times the opposition is a bit beneath him and he doesn't seem to have to push himself, Clasie by comparison just tries regardless, he looks a far stronger character
As for expectations on the International stage he was Hollands best player in the recent game vs France. Granted a friendly but at this stage ahead of a world cup still an important game. By comparison Strootman failed to impress although he did have to go off quite early with a knock.
I would imagine with Strootman out of the world cup Clasie will be going but I think he would have gone regardless, but we shall see
Either way of all the Eredivisie players I would put Clasie as one of the most likely to succeed in the PL now. There's some good players in Eredivisie, but good as some are I think that some might take a lot longer to adapt. Clasie to me looks to have the combination of character, desire, skill, vision and enough physical strength to take the step up in his stride. For sure he still has things to learn but at what 22 now for me looks a great young player and one I hope we sign this summer

Anyone who's from Holland know much about Clasie's character? I've read that he's a real leader in the Feyenoord team.

coopsieyid said:

Saw a tweet earlier that puts that Eriksen deal into perspective...
Eriksen: 9goals and 8 assists, £11million (strictly in the EPL) 7 goals and 9 assists in 1705 mins (averaging a goal or an assist per 106.5 minutes of play), cost us actually £11.8 million (but who's counting anyway?)

Ozil: 5 goals and 10 assists, £40million (EPL only, as well) 4 goals and 9 assists in 1887 mins (averaging a goal or an assist per 145.2 minutes of play), actual cost to Arse -->> £44 million....

Which means Eriksen's scoring efficiency & overall productivity is superior to Ozil's by a whole 38.7 (almost 40 minutes) per contribution, while his transfer fee was £32.2 million lower than Ozil's!!!!

Enough said!!

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I took the liberty of making some minor adjustments for you there, coopsieyid.
Remember last Summer when many Yiddos were in awe of Ozil's last-minute acquisition?
I actually tried to convince Christian's signing was more beneficial to us, but very few seemed to listen.
How times change, and hopefully continue to change for the best!

COYS

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coopsieyid said:

And Holtby, please, for the love of the invisible man in the sky, don't forget little Lewis Holtby. He's better than both the players you name

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WiganSpur said:

Holtby as well. That's why I can't understand the clamour that we absolutely need such a midfielder.

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Hehehe...Right after I watched that link from above, I stumbled upon this one -->>



Watching that...It reminded me once again how lucky we are to have footballers like Lewis and Christian, and Hurricane of course.

COYFS!!!

Can see Jordy going Man United? He's a great player, but I think we should let Lewis play his role for us.

Zlatan said:

Can see Jordy going Man United? He's a great player, but I think we should let Lewis play his role for us.

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Honestly, he'd be an excellent acquisition for them. Exactly the kind of player they're missing in midfield. However, their fans, owners, and board are going to want them pursuing the very best after this season. Not sure they'd take kindly to a slightly obscure pickup from the Eredivisie. Think it much more likely they'll pursue Strootman, and he just might go under the new circumstances.

Sandro said:

Remember last Summer when many Yiddos were in awe of Ozil's last-minute acquisition?
I actually tried to convince Christian's signing was more beneficial to us, but very few seemed to listen.

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Haha at the time people were far too busy emoting over Ozil going to Arsenal and tossing themselves over Lamela's arrival to listen to anything of reason. I think even a week later some fans likely still hadn't heard of Eriksen. Good for you for having an astute eye for talent though, my praises.

Jordy Clasie will probably be playing a bigger role at the World Cup this summer than he originally thought he would. Louis van Gaal's preparations have been hit by injuries and he needs all the help he can get in midfield, an area which probably won't be as strong as it normally is for the Dutch at tournaments.
Clasie, despite being just 22 years old, is already a Dutch international with some experience and he's been called up with the rest of the Eredivisie based players who Van Gaal thinks have a chance of making it to Brazil. Training with the full Dutch squad has given Clasie a taste of what it must be like at a big club and he's told Voetbal International that he wants to follow the example set by Christian Eriksen, but worries about the reaction of his club's fans.
"Suppose there is a club that puts forward a few million for me. I can well imagine that Feyenoord says: Okay, go ahead then. It'll never go well. When I say that I'll stay and I'm sold, I'm a traitor. If I say I want to go and stay, then I'm not.
"I've trained with top players for a few days during training camps with Oranje. Even then you feel yourself to be better every day. Can you imagine if you do that every day? In that respect, I see Christian Eriksen as an example of how I should go. He was well developed at Ajax, goes to Tottenham Hotspur, trains and works every day with better players and you can now see that's he's growing."
The young Dutchman says all the right things and wanting to move to improve himself is far better than having a desire for the extra attention, glamour and money. Clasie would surely jump at the chance to join Eriksen at White Hart Lane and it could be worth Tottenham giving thought to. http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...ants-to-follow-eriksen-example-of-going-to-sp

Bofbro said:

Jordy Clasie will probably be playing a bigger role at the World Cup this summer than he originally thought he would. Louis van Gaal's preparations have been hit by injuries and he needs all the help he can get in midfield, an area which probably won't be as strong as it normally is for the Dutch at tournaments.
Clasie, despite being just 22 years old, is already a Dutch international with some experience and he's been called up with the rest of the Eredivisie based players who Van Gaal thinks have a chance of making it to Brazil. Training with the full Dutch squad has given Clasie a taste of what it must be like at a big club and he's told Voetbal International that he wants to follow the example set by Christian Eriksen, but worries about the reaction of his club's fans.
"Suppose there is a club that puts forward a few million for me. I can well imagine that Feyenoord says: Okay, go ahead then. It'll never go well. When I say that I'll stay and I'm sold, I'm a traitor. If I say I want to go and stay, then I'm not.
"I've trained with top players for a few days during training camps with Oranje. Even then you feel yourself to be better every day. Can you imagine if you do that every day? In that respect, I see Christian Eriksen as an example of how I should go. He was well developed at Ajax, goes to Tottenham Hotspur, trains and works every day with better players and you can now see that's he's growing."
The young Dutchman says all the right things and wanting to move to improve himself is far better than having a desire for the extra attention, glamour and money. Clasie would surely jump at the chance to join Eriksen at White Hart Lane and it could be worth Tottenham giving thought to. http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...ants-to-follow-eriksen-example-of-going-to-sp

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Be still my beating heart.

One of my biggest targets for a vital rebuild summer, speaking amicably of one of my favorite players in Europe for the last few years, for one of the greatest reasons as to why (level-headedness and maturity in focus on development in career steps, not making the glory-fueled premature leap), and citing us specifically. I don't think I've ever received a greater chub from an article, and that includes the article citing Ajax' president saying Eriksen was close to joining us.

DaSpurs said:

Be still my beating heart.

One of my biggest targets for a vital rebuild summer, speaking amicably of one of my favorite players in Europe for the last few years, for one of the greatest reasons as to why (level-headedness and maturity in focus on development in career steps, not making the glory-fueled premature leap), and citing us specifically. I don't think I've ever received a greater chub from an article, and that includes the article citing Ajax' president saying Eriksen was close to joining us.

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Yep, a great range of passing, great vision and awareness but a player who likes to get stuck in, unafraid to crunch into tackles and with a good defensive reading. He's a talent on ability, but doubly so because he has so much character, drive and desire and that is something we are short of. Him in midfield and Iker Muniain on the left and there we have two players who'll run through walls to get a result but have the skill and vision to combine with that desire

Barry Mead said:

Yep, a great range of passing, great vision and awareness but a player who likes to get stuck in, unafraid to crunch into tackles and with a good defensive reading. He's a talent on ability, but doubly so because he has so much character, drive and desire and that is something we are short of. Him in midfield and Iker Muniain on the left and there we have two players who'll run through walls to get a result but have the skill and vision to combine with that desire

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Actually meant to @ you in that post, so I'm glad you saw this. This really is fantastic news at the start of this window, as this player is exactly what we could use for our No 8 position problems.

Barry Mead said:

Yep, a great range of passing, great vision and awareness but a player who likes to get stuck in, unafraid to crunch into tackles and with a good defensive reading. He's a talent on ability, but doubly so because he has so much character, drive and desire and that is something we are short of. Him in midfield and Iker Muniain on the left and there we have two players who'll run through walls to get a result but have the skill and vision to combine with that desire

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Spot on Barry! Been thinking we need a few new players in certain positions, LB obviously, but more important than that is we need a new positive, never say die attitude. In the past this is one of the qualities you got with a British player. I'm not sure if the ever-increasing wages are a factor but this is a quality not always assosciated with homegrown payers now. Say what you will about John Terry, rascist thug comes to mind, but he gives this attitude on the field.

Don't know a great deal on Munian, other than what I read here, but I believe him and Classie have the attributes that our team requires most. They are both winners.

I think he's using us as an example rather than declaring us his personal preference.

That said, if we wanted him, its nice to know he'd want to come.

SargeantMeatCurtains said:

I think he's using us as an example rather than declaring us his personal preference.

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Oh absolutely, but I like that he cites Eriksen's logic for the decisions he's made and that he references us as a good place to develop under that mindset. More excited about his level of maturity than any specific prospects with him, per se.

DaSpurs said:

Oh absolutely, but I like that he cites Eriksen's logic for the decisions he's made and that he references us as a good place to develop under that mindset. More excited about his level of maturity than any specific prospects with him, per se.

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Agree with you pal, players who are nurtured in Holland do seem to be alot more mature than most; thinking of Kompany, Eriksen, Dembele & Vertonghen off the top of my head!

Can't say i've seen much of Clasie, but if he is what were missing in midfield, i'm all for it. Read that he's labelled the 'dutch xavi', which suits me greatly!

SargeantMeatCurtains said:

Agree with you pal, players who are nurtured in Holland do seem to be alot more mature than most; thinking of Kompany, Eriksen, Dembele & Vertonghen off the top of my head!

Can't say i've seen much of Clasie, but if he is what were missing in midfield, i'm all for it. Read that he's labelled the 'dutch xavi', which suits me greatly!

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Kompany has never played in Holland, but you still have a point.

spurs9 said:

Kompany has never played in Holland, but you still have a point.

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You're completely right. I had a brain fart and thought for a second that Anderlecht were a dutch club, when i know full well that Anderlecht is in bloody Belgium, i've been to Brussels before *facepalm*

If we want to sell Holtby, using that money to go after Clasie makes a lot of sense to me.