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dk-yid

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Yeah I was just expecting us to strengthen the defense from the off. Nothing wrong with him wanting to assess the squad for himself though, even if it includes problem areas that our obvious to us. Just need to show a little patience.

Not our strong suit ...
 

bigfrooj

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i actually thought he was impressive under avb, as were most of our defence - bar the city and liverpool poundings(rose played in neither). he looked a mess under tim but then i thought everyone in the back four did, that's down to how he set the team up rather than the players themselves. rewind a year and rose is a highly rated young full back, higher than davies at least. now he's the worst player we've ever had? typical overreaction. i would like poch to work with rose before discarding him, if in a year's time he thinks he's not good enough then ok but it just seems a hasty decision to bomb him out and spend £10m or so on a player like davies, it's not like we're signing luke shaw.
Absolutely right. Pochettino is all about the team set-up and system. It is so clearly defined that individuals will have all doubt taken out of the equation and just get on with playing. Even poor old Danny Rose should thrive on that - given the chance.
 

dk-yid

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I think Coentrao signed a new contract...

Not sure he is right for us anyway to be honest. A great player in many ways but seems to be erratic at times defensively and seems his attitude is questioned.

Would rather look for someone more solid defensively at the expense of the flair which Coentrao would bring.
 

markiespurs

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Not sure I really know how I feel about JJs latest info.

Obviously I'd like to see us get our signings done early so that they can settle in and get as much of a pre season as possible.

But I can also see why Poch would want time to assess the squad and not be hasty in selling/buying players.
 

dk-yid

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Absolutely right. Pochettino is all about the team set-up and system. It is so clearly defined that individuals will have all doubt taken out of the equation and just get on with playing. Even poor old Danny Rose should thrive on that - given the chance.

Agree. He seems to have a 'no one bigger than the team' approach which I like and which brought him great success at Soton. And as you say who knows whether Rose will thrive in a more structured approach than Tim's. As others have said he looked quite solid in very rigid defensive system that AVB brought.

Incidentally, there is a great vine video on 101greatgoals taking the piss out of Rose's first training session with Poch. :)
 

Led's Zeppelin

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I don't understand how we can have a sensible discussion about the ITK without ever talking about the probabilities attaching to the ITK. All that happens is that we speculate with no more idea whether our speculations have any basis in reality than we would have done had there been no ITK in the first place.

But there we are. Rules is rules, so to take the ITK at face value, nothing is likely to happen for a while, although it may. Which may be a good thing, or it may not, depending on lots of things.

I'm firmly convinced of it.
 

dk-yid

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It seems to be either that or risk it with Danny Rose. Davies maybe but personally I wouldn't go higher than £8m.

I think that there is some middle ground between City style spending and the Danny Rose risk. Once the WC is over the market will again open for opportunities. Personally, I wouldn't mind Ben Davies, but of course I would expect us to scour the many opportunities.

Just out of curiosity who would you want to go for through the spending approach?
 

Gedson100

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But there we are. Rules is rules, so to take the ITK at face value, nothing is likely to happen for a while, although it may. Which may be a good thing, or it may not, depending on lots of things.

^I've read far too many statements like this already this window!
 

allatsea

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Truly wouldn't it be better to give Pochettino a season to work with the squad before we start with changes ? He may have decided that one or two must go but I would be surprised. More likely he is approaching everything with an open mind and giving everyone a fresh start.
 

walworthyid

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Danny rose isn't a risk, he isn't good enough in too many departments to make it worthwhile. Poor attitude, lazy, poor positioning, crap going forward etc. Just an atrocious player.
 

Dirty Ewok

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It could also be that he wants to see how the current players will fit into his style of football before spending money on players who may or may not improve the side.

I know that the rumour mill is heating up, and that players will be signing on for other clubs, but I don't have a problem with a bit of patience, if that means bringing in the players that will do the job - even if they are not in the 5 star category.

That being said if he can't see that we need a LB its Poch out for me.:mad:

Maybe Poch thinks that he could turn Rose around. Maybe Poch thinks that getting BD with Rose for competition will help push both to perform better. Maybe Poch wants different options at the LB slot, Rose for more attack minded matches BD for defensive (he seemed to rotate Chambers and Clyne in a similar manner at Soton).

Maybe Poch looks at the squad and thinks he can't ditch ALL of the homegrown players (as many supporters would seem to want) so he is trying to figure out which ones are the lesser of 10 evils.

Personally, i don't think Rose should make the cut....but it would seem that Poch is being pragmatic and trying to actually see what he has before making all of his decisions and while i may want moves 5 days ago i think this is actually a fairly smart way to handle shaping his squad.
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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JJ said that other signings will take 4 weeks, not necessarily Ben Davies.

I can see us signing him soon, it sounds as good as done IMO.

I think people are not liking what JJ said because it's going to take 4 weeks...just be patient, we waited until August 28th to sign three of our players last summer...

Also, we put up with Sherwood for 6 months, 4 weeks really isn't that long ;)
 

dk-yid

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Maybe Poch thinks that he could turn Rose around. Maybe Poch thinks that getting BD with Rose for competition will help push both to perform better. Maybe Poch wants different options at the LB slot, Rose for more attack minded matches BD for defensive (he seemed to rotate Chambers and Clyne in a similar manner at Soton).

Maybe Poch looks at the squad and thinks he can't ditch ALL of the homegrown players (as many supporters would seem to want) so he is trying to figure out which ones are the lesser of 10 evils.

Personally, i don't think Rose should make the cut....but it would seem that Poch is being pragmatic and trying to actually see what he has before making all of his decisions and while i may want moves 5 days ago i think this is actually a fairly smart way to handle shaping his squad.

Very valid points.

Personally, I don't care if the LB is called Davies, Rose, Humphreys, Littlejohn or Alice as long as Poch addresses it and makes it work.
 

Mr Pink

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Maybe Poch thinks that he could turn Rose around. Maybe Poch thinks that getting BD with Rose for competition will help push both to perform better. Maybe Poch wants different options at the LB slot, Rose for more attack minded matches BD for defensive (he seemed to rotate Chambers and Clyne in a similar manner at Soton).

Maybe Poch looks at the squad and thinks he can't ditch ALL of the homegrown players (as many supporters would seem to want) so he is trying to figure out which ones are the lesser of 10 evils.

Personally, i don't think Rose should make the cut....but it would seem that Poch is being pragmatic and trying to actually see what he has before making all of his decisions and while i may want moves 5 days ago i think this is actually a fairly smart way to handle shaping his squad.

Maybe my auntie has balls.



:)
 

indianspurs

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Maybe Poch thinks that he could turn Rose around. Maybe Poch thinks that getting BD with Rose for competition will help push both to perform better. Maybe Poch wants different options at the LB slot, Rose for more attack minded matches BD for defensive (he seemed to rotate Chambers and Clyne in a similar manner at Soton).

Maybe Poch looks at the squad and thinks he can't ditch ALL of the homegrown players (as many supporters would seem to want) so he is trying to figure out which ones are the lesser of 10 evils.

Personally, i don't think Rose should make the cut....but it would seem that Poch is being pragmatic and trying to actually see what he has before making all of his decisions and while i may want moves 5 days ago i think this is actually a fairly smart way to handle shaping his squad.

I believe last season he was very vocal of being the only left back. If we don't get another lb just cause it upsets Rose then am sorry that guy will never become a good player. Every top club needs 2 players for each position considering the competitions and matches we play. He will get a decent no of matches to play but if another lb makes him insecure then he's just not mentally fit to play at a top club

I think he would make a decent back up lb and would like to see Poch work on him but most likely he will throw tantrums and create disharmony so its better he leaves. Any mid table or bottom team would pay between 4-6 million.
 

THFCSPURS19

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JJ said that other signings will take 4 weeks, not necessarily Ben Davies.

I can see us signing him soon, it sounds as good as done IMO.

I think people are not liking what JJ said because it's going to take 4 weeks...just be patient, we waited until August 28th to sign three of our players last summer...

Also, we put up with Sherwood for 6 months, 4 weeks really isn't that long ;)
What a beautiful day that was. SC was like Heaven :cry:.
 

dk-yid

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JJ said that other signings will take 4 weeks, not necessarily Ben Davies.

I can see us signing him soon, it sounds as good as done IMO.

I think people are not liking what JJ said because it's going to take 4 weeks...just be patient, we waited until August 28th to sign three of our players last summer...

Also, we put up with Sherwood for 6 months, 4 weeks really isn't that long ;)

We also waited four years to sign a striker and put up with an entire decade of mediocrity in the 90's ...

You wonder how on earth we became such an impatient bunch ...
 

dk-yid

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What a beautiful day that was. SC was like Heaven :cry:.

It was glorious although it all became too much at one point... could hardly keep up that last week of the TW. In anticipation of the same I am taking the last week off this year...
 

THFCSPURS19

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We also waited four years to sign a striker and put up with an entire decade of mediocrity in the 90's ...

You wonder how on earth we became such an impatient bunch ...
I would argue that watching 90 minutes of football under AVB is more difficult than waiting 4 weeks for a signing (excluding Davies, it seems)
 
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