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talkshowhost86

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That would not make sense. Vorm would not come here to be a #2. He's good enough to be a #1. However, worth a try though. Liverpool has #1 keeper as their #2 also with Reina(unless he forces a move)

I don't know if that's true about Vorm anymore. He's been quite injury prone and I wonder if he's changed his outlook a bit now.
 

Dirty Ewok

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That would not make sense. Vorm would not come here to be a #2. He's good enough to be a #1. However, worth a try though. Liverpool has #1 keeper as their #2 also with Reina(unless he forces a move)

I would imagine one of the reasons for Vorm even considering a move where he would be a backup would be money.

Yes he is good enough to be a starter, but the wages (even as a starter) at Swansea are bound to be...erm..."reasonable" shall we say. Wages for a backup/squad player on Spurs, LFC (who are also supposed to be interested in him), Arsenal, CFC, City and United will probably be competitive to a starter on Swansea.

He is 30 years old, the WC is going to be behind him and he is not a favoured GK with the Dutch national team at the moment (he is behind Cillessen and Krul at the moment but with Zoet on the rise and seemingly in the same range as Steklenburg and Vermeer) so he is unlikely to suddenly become the favourite.

He probably has 4-6 seasons left in him so he could go somewhere and start, but would any of the places that could offer a starting role be a step up in size and wages from Swansea. With Spurs he would be backup to Hugo but would still get good time on the pitch between Europa and cup matches as well as the occasional PL match.

Personally i think he could probably get a raise at Swansea or by moving to another mid level team and i do think he is good enough to start in the PL, but with Spurs and LFC interested in him i would imagine that something has to have been said by his agents to have people trying for him as a backup.
 

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Regarding the rumored £4 million fee for Dawson, I think that is very low. Considering he is our captain, 6 months away from 10 years of service and English, he's a vital squad member for us and considering we got £8 million for Jake, I'm sure we can push a lot closer to £6-8 million for Daws. I agree that we shouldn't sell Daws if we don't have a replacement in mind, I'm still not sure about Kaboul's injuries and Zeki's ability at CB (or LB for that matter :cautious:) which would mean we'd be just left with Jan & Vlad, Lovren wants a move to 'Pool so I'd be a little annoyed if we signed him now, christ! imagine what he'd do to us when Madrid came calling.

Dawson has been a solid and loyal servant, yes you could argue there is no room for sentiment, but it's unlikely we'll finish 4th even if we replace Dawson with a new CB. Idk about you guys but I don't know what I'd do without Dawson's "Bounce Back" interviews on Spurs TV. ;)
 

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I would imagine one of the reasons for Vorm even considering a move where he would be a backup would be money.

Yes he is good enough to be a starter, but the wages (even as a starter) at Swansea are bound to be...erm..."reasonable" shall we say. Wages for a backup/squad player on Spurs, LFC (who are also supposed to be interested in him), Arsenal, CFC, City and United will probably be competitive to a starter on Swansea.

He is 30 years old, the WC is going to be behind him and he is not a favoured GK with the Dutch national team at the moment (he is behind Cillessen and Krul at the moment but with Zoet on the rise and seemingly in the same range as Steklenburg and Vermeer) so he is unlikely to suddenly become the favourite.

He probably has 4-6 seasons left in him so he could go somewhere and start, but would any of the places that could offer a starting role be a step up in size and wages from Swansea. With Spurs he would be backup to Hugo but would still get good time on the pitch between Europa and cup matches as well as the occasional PL match.

Personally i think he could probably get a raise at Swansea or by moving to another mid level team and i do think he is good enough to start in the PL, but with Spurs and LFC interested in him i would imagine that something has to have been said by his agents to have people trying for him as a backup.
The thing is, he's not assured to be a starter at Swansea next season. They took Fabianski.

I thought Lovren would be a good deal at about 8-10m. But 20m? Come on now football...sort yourself out.
Well, Soton paid 8M£ last year, so ...
 

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The thing is, he's not assured to be a starter at Swansea next season. They took Fabianski.


Well, Soton paid 8M£ last year, so ...

Good point, forgot about Fabianski....that was a good signing by Swansea.

You have to figure that in that case Vorm would rather be the backup at a club like ours or LFC than potentially end up the back-up at Swansea. Not to mention Swansea must be looking at offloading a player that they know they have replaced.
 

Mr Pink

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Got to love Dan Levy. They value at Davies at what? 10-12 million region...and Vorm at 6.

If we value Sig at 10 (pushing it IMO, more like 7-8)..you would think offering a swap between Davies and Sig would be more palatable for the Swans.

But oh no...Levy loves a good old piss taking session :D
 

Gaz_Gammon

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Why not? As far as I'm concerned everyone should get a clean slate under the new manager and its up to them, and to be honest I'd rather training was used as an indication of performance. If we have certain players doing well in training everyday, out-performing others and showing a good attitude I would rather they got a shot than people who went through the motions during the week thinking they can just turn it on (but usually don't) come matchday.


Didn't players such as Rose get a "clean slate" under AVB and Sherwood. I mean how many times do the words "fucking useless" need wiping off the last clean slate before the next clean slate is used?.

In truth if Poch really needs two or three weeks to see just how poor Rose is then Levy has hired the wrong man. Forty five minutes video of Roses performance against Liverpool or the West Ham game (among other horror shows) would have shown a five year old how poor our left back is, let alone out latest saviour.
 
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THFCSPURS19

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Wales Online said that we want to sign Vorm as a back-up so I'm not worried about the reports.

So, why would Vorm sign with us?

1. Money
2. We're in more competitions than most teams so he would get quite a few games as back-up
3. Swansea just signed Flappyhandski
4. Better City to live in


I don't see the point of it TBH.
 

Mr Pink

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Regarding the rumored £4 million fee for Dawson, I think that is very low. Considering he is our captain, 6 months away from 10 years of service and English, he's a vital squad member for us and considering we got £8 million for Jake, I'm sure we can push a lot closer to £6-8 million for Daws. I agree that we shouldn't sell Daws if we don't have a replacement in mind, I'm still not sure about Kaboul's injuries and Zeki's ability at CB (or LB for that matter :cautious:) which would mean we'd be just left with Jan & Vlad, Lovren wants a move to 'Pool so I'd be a little annoyed if we signed him now, christ! imagine what he'd do to us when Madrid came calling.

Dawson has been a solid and loyal servant, yes you could argue there is no room for sentiment, but it's unlikely we'll finish 4th even if we replace Dawson with a new CB. Idk about you guys but I don't know what I'd do without Dawson's "Bounce Back" interviews on Spurs TV. ;)

Livermore is a good bit younger than Dawson - who's in his thirties now. That's why the fee feels on the low end, but its probably about right to be honest.
 

dagraham

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Got to love Dan Levy. They value at Davies at what? 10-12 million region...and Vorm at 6.

If we value Sig at 10 (pushing it IMO, more like 7-8)..you would think offering a swap between Davies and Sig would be more palatable for the Swans.

But oh no...Levy loves a good old piss taking session :D

It's probably only a matter of time before we offer Sig in exchange for Lukaku, with a monthly Harrods hamper and subscription to Time Out magazine thrown in for goodwill. ;).
 

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Didn't players such as Rose get a "clean slate" under AVB and Sherwood. I mean how many times does the words "fucking useless" need wiping off the last clean slate before the penny drops.
Ha ha. C'mon Gaz, haven't you ever worked for a boss that you hated and another that got the best out of you?
 

LukeBB

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Livermore is a good bit younger than Dawson - who's in his thirties now. That's why the fee feels on the low end, but its probably about right to be honest.
When does Levy ever sell at the right price? ;)
 

Gaz_Gammon

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Ha ha. C'mon Gaz, haven't you ever worked for a boss that you hated and another that got the best out of you?


No.

I have never worked for anyone, that said i could see an employees potential in less than two years, and i have not a single fucking badge or qualification. But i did build and sell a business with exceptional people who worked their nuts off and earned a good living.

That said i didn't have training sessions everyday or pay anyone one hundred grand a week.
 

Indisguise

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No.

I have never worked for anyone, that said i could see an employees potential in less than two years, and i have not a single fucking badge or qualification. But i did build and sell a business with exceptional people who worked their nuts off and earned a good living.

That said i didn't have training sessions everyday or pay anyone one hundred grand a week.
That's all well and good but they'll be someone out there who ain't that impressed regardless of how well you think you're doing or have done. Not everyone will develop at the same pace or in the same way.

How many of our players do you think are earning 100k a week?
 

mpickard2087

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I like the clean slate idea bc it's only fair to have a new chance under the new manager but I disagree with the training indication. The amount of times I read "went to watch tottenham train today and Soldado was banging them in" and Spurs official tweeting about "Soldado's stunners" ect clearly wasn't shown on the pitch. Training doesn't always tell the full story as there's less pressure, playing with people you know and it's more chilled. We all know how good RS9 is but the fact he scores so many in training and 6 in the PL shows that there is a difference

To be honest I don't pay attention to anything that comes out of the official propaganda/marketing/tellinguswhatwewantohear site. I have never seen that said about Soldado tbh, one who I did see and hear players and staff constantly praising though was Kane, he was by all accounts one of the best trainers all season yet it was only at the end he got a chance (and some people didn't like it). I do think if people are putting in the hard work day in and day out they should get a shot though, even at the expense of more illustrious contemporaries.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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That's all well and good but they'll be someone out there who ain't that impressed regardless of how well you think you're doing or have done. Not everyone will develop at the same pace or in the same way.

How many of our players do you think are earning 100k a week?


Rose failed as a left winger at the highest level, and from what i have seen of him he is not anywhere near a PL left back in a team wanting CL footie. By all means give him another three years to develope but don't expect anything other than EL football if his ability is to be our standard going forward. Anyway from what i understand on here and in the press Davies is all but done and when he arrives Rose will throw his toys out his pram and demand a move. I have no issues with that whatsoever.
 

Indisguise

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Rose failed as a left winger at the highest level, and from what i have seen of him he is not anywhere near a PL left back in a team wanting CL footie. By all means give him another three years to develope but don't expect anything other than EL football if his ability is to be our standard going forward. Anyway from what i understand on here and in the press Davies is all but done and when he arrives Rose will throw his toys out his pram and demand a move. I have no issues with that whatsoever.
How many of Southampton's players were England squad material before Poch turned up and got the best out of them? I'm not saying Danny Rose is going to turn into the best LB in the PL, or even a half decent left back, but he ought to be fairly assessed by Poch before any decisions are made about who goes and who stays.
 

Gaz_Gammon

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How many of Southampton's players were England squad material before Poch turned up and got the best out of them? I'm not saying Danny Rose is going to turn into the best LB in the PL, or even a half decent left back, but he ought to be fairly assessed by Poch before any decisions are made about who goes and who stays.


Guess we will have to agree to disagree on the subject of Rose. If he's our starting left back this season then i for one will be most disappointed.
 

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The problem is that Kaboul is a serious injury concern most of the time, and we haven't seen enough from Chiriches to be sure he's a long term first team prospect. Plus I still wouldn't be surprised if Vertonghen comes back wanting a move, so I just don't think we're in a position to be getting rid of people just yet.

As for the fee, I'd have said the 4m fee would be okay but looking at the other fees being bandied about at the moment it does seem very low.

Generally seems like there's a lot of teams with a lot more money than us interested in similar players (Livepool, Arsenal, United...and that's without considering the teams from abroad), and I just can't see us competing this summer.

I thought Lovren would be a good deal at about 8-10m. But 20m? Come on now football...sort yourself out.

Not to mention that he was absolutely dreadful last season, and that we've had just one decent season out of him at CB since we first signed him. It seems nuts to offload Dawson now, given the prices that are being bandied about for players like Lovren.
 
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