The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 17th July 2014

THFCSPURS19 · Jul 18, 2014

brownhead said:
Old ITK can be discussed right?..... Why are we not following up on that crazy man but excellent LB Álvaro Pereira. Solid, good going forward, give us some oomph etc.
Thats who I want. Get-able too

He was absolute shite at Inter so he went on loan to Sao Paulo in Brazil.

Barry Mead · Jul 18, 2014

MunkoSpurs said:
Maybe holding on to the ball and keeping possession is how he's been asked to play and by playing other positions he's been asked to do a different job? I appreciate your opinion. The point I was trying to make is that buying new players may not guarantee to work out and trying to improve players that have already shown talent may be a better way to improve the team. If the coaching staff don't think a player can be improved then they should try to sign someone else. I just feel that any money the club has available should be going to a new LB as this is an area that obviously needs strengthening.

Do you think he was asked to hold on to the ball and keep possession when he was a striker or an am? Seriously, he has played at Germinal, Willem AZ, Fulham and Spurs, in different roles, under a number of different coaches, as well as for the national team under different coaches as youth and senior level and you think over the past nine years playing professionally no coach has ever tried to get him playing quicker, moving more directly, improving his decision making
Sorry but I can't go along with that, his weaknesses are plain to see and to suggest that no decent coaches have ever tried to improve them these last nine years is frankly beyond belief
There are no guarantees about any new player coming in, however if the targeted players have shown the skills and ability the team need for a role personally I'd rather go for the new player than a player who has failed to show those strengths in his game over the last 9 years
We need a new left back but frankly I don't see it as the only position we need to strengthen, so it shouldn't be a case of one or the other anyway. Our midfield flow, our inter passing, moving the ball forward quickly and accurately and adding creativity as we got forward were all sadly lacking last season, we need to ensure we address the weaknesses

talkshowhost86 · Jul 18, 2014

allatsea said:
How can we have beaten Liverpool to Davies if we haven't agreed a fee ?

There was an actual race to get to him, and fortunately over 100m Baldini has Commoli on toast.

Dirty Ewok · Jul 18, 2014

S17PUR said:
The Mirror are now reporting that we've beaten Liverpool to the signing of Davies and are set to agree an £8m deal today which means... absolutely nothing because it's the Mirror.

So...we had a £8m bid turned down according to the media, a £10m bid accepted according to the media and now are close to signing him for £8m again according to the media....so i guess either the Mirror is shit at math, or Levy is playing FM negotiations

"right, so we will pay you £6m up front, £2m paid over the next 25 years, 50p once he laces up, 50p if he becomes a starter, £500K once he gets his 900th cap for the Welsh national side, £500k when he scores his 100th goal for Spurs, £500k if when he changes his last name to the Sponsors name, and £499,999 once his first born makes it to the PL....and of course there will be the standard clause where if we sell him to someone you pay us £26m...fair enough?....we'll throw in an Oyster card with £3.27 on it and some nectar points if we can get this done by tomorrow."

Barry Mead · Jul 18, 2014

S17PUR said:
The guy I'm sitting next to in work (who's also not doing much) is a Saints fan and he's adamant Schneiderlin is their best player by far and says he'd sooner sell Lovren for £5m than Schneiderlin for £20m. He describes him as an all-round central midfield player and when pressed for a comparison went for 'a more disciplined Aaron Ramsey'.

Does that mean he's a little biased or that Schneiderlin, if he were a little less disciplined, might manage 10 goals a season rather than 2?

Not knocking Schneiderlin here, who I think is a decent player but it seems in a number of ways a strange comparison

Wick3d · Jul 18, 2014

talkshowhost86 said:
Schneiderlin, in the games I saw (and I saw a fair bit of SCBC last year) was the man getting the ball to those players. Whereas our ponderous midfield last year passed it around for ages before getting it forward, Schneiderlin seems to have a bit more urgency about getting the ball forward.

Would you say the increased urgency is due to better coaching? I've never seen Schneiderlin play properly until Poch was bought in as the manager after Adkins. Just asking.

felmani26 · Jul 18, 2014

talkshowhost86 said:
Schneiderlin, in the games I saw (and I saw a fair bit of SCBC last year) was the man getting the ball to those players. Whereas our ponderous midfield last year passed it around for ages before getting it forward, Schneiderlin seems to have a bit more urgency about getting the ball forward.

But is that testament to Pochettino's tactics than Schneiderlin per se?

In other words, could Capoue not perform the same role under Poch's stewardship? I think that he could quite easily.

LexingtonSpurs · Jul 18, 2014

felmani26 said:
But is that testament to Pochettino's tactics than Schneiderlin per se?

In other words, could Capoue not perform the same role under Poch's stewardship? I think that he could quite easily.

I thought we had some ITK, or at least quotes from somewhere, that playing the ball forward from the defense is MP's biggest concern right now...albeit before he has the full squad in training.

robbiedee · Jul 18, 2014

Dirty Ewok said:
and some nectar points if we can get this done by tomorrow."

No chance DL is giving away nectar points. You should have seen him rubbing his hands together, card at the ready when the new Sainsburys deal went through...

He's a f*cking nightmare in Argos at the moment.

RobjDerby · Jul 18, 2014

Agreed. Southampton's success was built around the team, the method, the style of play, the plan. Last season we had none of those. Their star player was Lallana who is decent, but certainly not a "Top top player" IMO, he fitted their game plan.

I beleive we've got better players individually in most positions. Providing MP can come in and do what we hope, we dont need to be going out and buying this or that player unless they drastically improve over an existing player.

I'm excited to see a lot more from our squad this year, and it will be nice to see the players playing for the Club, The Shirt, each other and the fans.

felmani26 · Jul 18, 2014

LexingtonSpurs said:
I thought we had some ITK, or at least quotes from somewhere, that playing the ball forward from the defense is MP's biggest concern right now...albeit before he has the full squad in training.

Probably why Sandro is likely to leave rather than Capoue who is a much more natural passer of the ball.

You can also see why Davies would be pursued as whilst he isn't flashy, he is a competent passer under pressure unlike Rose.

robbiedee · Jul 18, 2014

If Davies is less than £10m, I'd be happy with that. Anything north of that then I'd rather look elsewhere...Rojo would be my choice...liked the look of him at the WC.

S17PUR · Jul 18, 2014

Barry Mead said:
Does that mean he's a little biased or that Schneiderlin, if he were a little less disciplined, might manage 10 goals a season rather than 2?

Not knocking Schneiderlin here, who I think is a decent player but it seems in a number of ways a strange comparison

I'll ask, hold on...

Okay, so firstly, yes he is biased. Secondly, it probably is a strange comparison but apparently when played in front of the 2 holding midfielders in 2012-13 for a short period he did actually score a few goals, but he has predominantly been played as a holding midfielder. I guess he's just trying to say that he can do a bit of everything.

DaSpurs · Jul 18, 2014

dagraham said:
I think we'll be making a very big mistake if we don't add to our forward line, but I seem to be in the minority.

I'm with ya mate. Our left winger situation is unacceptable if we're to integrate with and grow under Poch's system, and it's rather shockingly underrated as a problem on here because so many are fixated on the left back issue while ignoring the fact the left winger problem exacerbated the problems at left back.

DaSpurs · Jul 18, 2014

spursfan77 said:
Mirror reporting we've pulled out of going for bony. Makes me think we've said we will back off if you sell us Davies rather than accepting bids from Liverpool.

That would be a less favorable outcome for Swansea. They'd want as many suitors as possible to raise the bidding.

JUSTINSIGNAL · Jul 18, 2014

felmani26 said:
But is that testament to Pochettino's tactics than Schneiderlin per se?

In other words, could Capoue not perform the same role under Poch's stewardship? I think that he could quite easily.

I kind of agree with this.

I haven't seen anything in Schneiderlin that I don't think Capoue isn't capable of.

Although if a deep lying, tactically aware mid with good passing skiils and vision is key to Poch's system then I guess we would need to add Schneiderlin for depth.

Barry Mead · Jul 18, 2014

S17PUR said:
I'll ask, hold on...

Okay, so firstly, yes he is biased. Secondly, it probably is a strange comparison but apparently when played in front of the 2 holding midfielders in 2012-13 for a short period he did actually score a few goals, but he has predominantly been played as a holding midfielder. I guess he's just trying to say that he can do a bit of everything.

Oh I think he's a very complete mid, but I haven't seen him getting that many goals and Ramsey would probably have ended up among the top scorers this season if thankfully, he hadn't got injured. Of course if we had a decent attacking line of Lamela, Eriksen and (prays) lets just hope Griezmann, we shouldn't need a central mid to score too many goals, just to keep the ball flowing to them quickly and accurately

felmani26 · Jul 18, 2014

JUSTINSIGNAL said:
I kind of agree with this.

I haven't seen anything in Schneiderlin that I don't think Capoue is capable of.

Although if a deep lying, tactically aware mid with good passing skiils and vision is key to Poch's system then I guess we would need to add Schneiderlin for depth.

Which again underlines the very sore point to some that Sandro, bless his heart, is looking more and more surplus to requirements.

Mattspurs1982 · Jul 18, 2014

dagraham said:
I think we'll be making a very big mistake if we don't add to our forward line, but I seem to be in the minority.

Schneiderlin is an interesting one. Personally, I'd rather stick with Sandro or Capoue and buy a true playmaker to play along side either of them. I'm not the manager though (more's the pity) and if Poch wants to go with two DM with the ethos of having a solid platform and releasing it as quick as possible to the 3 players behind the front man then maybe Schneiderlin could prove a good buy.

Eriksen?

Mr Pink · Jul 18, 2014

felmani26 said:
But is that testament to Pochettino's tactics than Schneiderlin per se?

In other words, could Capoue not perform the same role under Poch's stewardship? I think that he could quite easily.

Partly I would say.

I think Schneiderlin is more agile and mobile than Capoue but think their passing is similarly good from that area of the pitch.

So in truth they could be ideal to partner one another in Poch's system, perhaps that's behind Poch's thinking and it adds depth for his preferred style of play.

I would think Pochettino is intelligent enough to realise if his coaching and tactics afforded him the luxury not to bother going for someone like Schneiderlin if he didn't think he was needed necessarily.

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