Wheeler Dealer
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He cost twice as much as Pav and is less effective.. A complete fuck up from top to bottom..
PLAYER WATCH: Soldado
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scat1620
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Another one of the many depressing shortcomings in his game is his complete lack of any threat whatsoever outside of the penalty area. (Not that he's been anything but disgraceful inside the area either.) At least with Pavlyuchenko - another player that I'm seriously unkeen on, btw - there was always the chance that he might randomly blast one in the top corner from 25 yards despite constantly being muscled off the ball whenever he got close to goal. Soldado doesn't even have that in his locker, which combined with his complete lack of pace and physical presence makes him a completely toothless option as a striker.
Now at the point where I cannot wait for him to leave the club, would take any offer at all for him in January.
Now at the point where I cannot wait for him to leave the club, would take any offer at all for him in January.
Well put, I have nothing against him and he obviously has talent but his talent isn't suited for our league or team.
Spurs_Bear
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Took it to a whole new level today. Stick by what I said earlier and that's he'll be off on loan to Spain in January.
SpursDave88
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I think our main problem at the moment, as a team is our shocking lack of pace going forward, none of Lamela, Eriksen or Soldado have the pace to get in behind. Soldado needs to be sold and Eriksen moved into the number 10 with Kane up front. This will give us space for a forward player who can stretch defences. People ask why we don't play through balls, I'll think you'll find the reason is that our forward players aren't getting in behind defences to receive the ball in the first place.
SpurSince57
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He may not be that (in fact he isn't) but can you really compare a £26m (or whatever figure you choose to believe) striker brought in to be our Main Man with a £2m one who was going to be fourth choice?
And, sorry, the context in which the goals were scored does count. Go to Topspurs and check their comprehensive list of top goalscorers. Their strike rate in the cups is invariably higher than in the league, and whilst penalties obviously do count, it's a fact that in some seasons you are awarded far more than in others; I don't think we had a single one the season before last. The guy had 58 shots last season; subtract the penalties, that's 27 shots per goal. He got about a quarter of his efforts on target. That's not a striker; that's a train wreck.
Strictly speaking, he may not be the worst striker we've had, but in terms of cost/expectations v. reality only Rebrov comes close.
Teddy Klinsmann
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Agree. Enough is enough. I'd love to see the difference with Bony in our team for example. 1 league goal in 9 months. Can't rely on that moving forward. We could sign any striker from the championship and they'd have a better return than that.
Bony's movement was creating space to provide the service to him
Soldado was hiding - he has no bottle and he just needs to go now, best thing for him and us
beats1
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I agree he needs to be moved but in the first half we didn't have the ball with the AM much and he setup the only time he was involved check out my first half analysis on our defence in the ratings thread about bony, he was making the runs with the balls coming his way
We weren't making those kind of balls and if we sign bony will we start?
Bony didn't movement wasn't great but we gave him so much space, people may not believe as I stated this early but look at his 5 chances in the first half and he just drifted behind the fullback 4 times and peeled in to the edge of box, which was free because mason and bentaleb were tackling the threat on the left hand side
The earliest stat suggested we had something like 70% possession and the bulk of it was in their third - even during that time he was doing nothing. No movement to make things happen, he lacks the mental strength of character to get out of his slump and he's hiding because his confidence is low.
He saw a decent amount of the ball but he always looked for the easy backwards and sideways ball and then made no real effort to find space or make space for others with his subsequent runs. It looks like he's given up to me
Bony's movement was excellent - he was getting in between our centre backs and timing his runs perfectly for the wide and attacking players to play balls in to the space behind our back two and leave himself in on goal
He also linked play far better and was constantly looking to make things happen
beats1
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I watched the first half again, we hardly had a passage of play in their half dude
As for bony's movement, I screen shot his 5 chances in the first half, all of them were drifting behind the fullback
camaj
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The difference with Soldado and Bony is that Bony has a team that's willing to create chances for him and willing to play him game after game no matter what. Soldado would be great at Swansea too. If you look at Bony today, he missed two sitters. If that had happened to Soldado we would have seen a flood of anti-soldado posts but most of you would prefer Bony.
tiger666
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Yup.
camaj
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Yet he'd do as badly as Soldado if we bought him. You'd all be wondering if he didn't suit our "system" than address the actual issue, the poor midfield we have now and the baffeling selections by Poch. WTF are we playing Lamela, Bentaleb and Mason? Why did we sell Siggursson and why did we loan Holtby out, the player who could probably get the best out of Soldado?
dagraham
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You honestly can't see the difference between Bony and Soldado?
It's not just about whether they miss chances or not. They are completely different types of players. One is a good no.9 in the PL and one is sadly not.
I'll give you a clue : the good no.9 is black.
Mr Pink
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I'll admit, I was desperate for Soldado to do well - I still am, but I know its over really. The fact he's only scored three league goals, in open play, is not just a very poor return in the cold light of day, its absolutely mind boggling.
You have to make things happen at this level, like Kane has come in and done and Bobby just hasn't done this and he's had plenty of runs in the team now. Kane has three league goals in 6 starts. Soldado has three in God knows how many starts? 25? 30?
Yes he needs a certain type of service to thrive but that's not enough and why the signing was a mistake from the off. I'm saying that with hindsight admittedly.
Always feel Soldado is waiting for it to happen as opposed to grabbing it by the bollox and making it happen by hook or crook, The fact that he can't even attempt to do this tells us he's not up to the role.
A loan move back to Spain in January would be best. Hopefully he'll do well and we can then get some sort of fee back on him.
You have to make things happen at this level, like Kane has come in and done and Bobby just hasn't done this and he's had plenty of runs in the team now. Kane has three league goals in 6 starts. Soldado has three in God knows how many starts? 25? 30?
Yes he needs a certain type of service to thrive but that's not enough and why the signing was a mistake from the off. I'm saying that with hindsight admittedly.
Always feel Soldado is waiting for it to happen as opposed to grabbing it by the bollox and making it happen by hook or crook, The fact that he can't even attempt to do this tells us he's not up to the role.
A loan move back to Spain in January would be best. Hopefully he'll do well and we can then get some sort of fee back on him.
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EastLondonYid
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Agree with most of this......
Your point where Soldado ''is waiting for it to happen'' is correct and is the main reason i would sell him, he looks like he has given up and had enough where as Lamela who has also been shocking , at least runs his heart out and really wants to make it work....though i doubt he will ever come good either, hope i'm wrong.
DEFchenkOE
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Cmon now, are you saying that in the 18 months Soldado has been here he hasn't had chances?? He's had a bucket load and only managed about 3 goals from open play. He's an experienced striker, that return is abysmal. I know we are not the most fluid team in attack but we still do create chances now and then. I doubt Soldado would have even created the chance for himself like Kane did at the end of the game yesterday when he charged down the cross. Soldado isn't even getting in the positions for tap-ins which shows that he's not even anticipating. When you have a poacher you accept that they're going to be passengers in the match because they will take the one chance that comes to them, that unfortunately can't be said about Soldado.
Players like Linekar, Inzaghi were clinical poachers. Soldado is showing that he isn't. Which means we're basically playing with 10 men.
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