The Mauricio Pochettino thread

dontcallme · Jan 27, 2019

fishhhandaricecake said:
I’m not saying come out and be a dick about it all but mabye just be slightly more honest? But you’re right there’s a fine line.

I don’t think it would change anything. Creating a divide between the board, manager and fans will not benefit the club.

Whatever you think of ENIC and Levy the manager publicly criticising them will not change their business model.

CoopsieDeadpool · Jan 27, 2019

beats1 said:
Ramos whilst not a great manager or someone who could speak english was the only manager we hired who had won at a high level consistently

Phomesy · Jan 27, 2019

beats1 said:
I

I highlighted that the manager who won a trophy with us under ENIC was the only manager prior to joining us who had won trophies consistently at a high level before he joined.

And I highlighted that his winning a single trophy - and his history of winning trophies - meant fuck all when he was about to get us relegated.

Poch's won fuck all but has achieved SO MUCH MORE with establishing us as a force.

Isn't this obvious?

Phomesy · Jan 27, 2019

St José Dominguez said:
Is knowing Poch has helped create a great team that belongs in the champions league while at the same time being knocked out of every cup competition we’ve been in every year meant to make us all feel good about the latest two additions to it this week?
We’re succeeding (top 4) and failing (trophies) every single year in my opinion, I’m tired of seeing the best Spurs sides I’ve seen in my lifetime fail every year. *Generic caveat of it could be worse*

Where did I say we "should feel good" about it? I don't. I'm massively fucked off.

But he MADE that "best Spurs side".

Why do you expect him to belive in us when we refuse to acknowledge what strides he's made for us.

He's still learning. So are we. Ffs

St José Dominguez · Jan 27, 2019

Phomesy said:
Where did I say we "should feel good" about it? I don't. I'm massively fucked off.

But he MADE that "best Spurs side".

Why do you expect him to belive in us when we refuse to acknowledge what strides he's made for us.

He's still learning. So are we. Ffs

Oh I believe in him, I don’t believe in the club he manages though right now.

Ben1 · Jan 27, 2019

13VanDerBale13 said:
pissed me off with his comments after today ...

every time...and you know its coming. During the game watching the shit, thinking 'oh I know what poch will say now'.

beats1 · Jan 27, 2019

Phomesy said:
And I highlighted that his winning a single trophy - and his history of winning trophies - meant fuck all when he was about to get us relegated.

Poch's won fuck all but has achieved SO MUCH MORE with establishing us as a force.

Isn't this obvious?

Where has anyone on here disagreed that Poch hasn't achieved so much more or even taken away from that.

We are discussing our ability to progress further in regards to cup competitions. You sound like a child who won't acknowledge that this isn't just a simple choice between being shit and having trophies or no trophies and establishing us as a force

We all acknowledge he is a great manager but in regards to cups competitions he has been poor, and needs to improve. I made the point that winning cup competitions isn't something that comes easy to managers and that you need to develop that winners mentality.

Something that Ramos had developed despite being a poor manager who was going to get us a relegated

Poch needs to develop as it has been lacking when facing tough competitions in the knockout rounds

Also I bet you believe that Ramos and were poor and that Poch isn't being backed. Despite the fact AVB(who I hated) and Ramos, lost their best players(ramos lost both his main strikers) and were given adequate replacements or even any

Japhet · Jan 27, 2019

rossdapep said:
Why do people keep bringing stuff up like this? Can we not be happy with top 4 but still be peeved when we pass up opportunities to win trophies?

I'd have your arm off for a top 4 finish right now. Utd. are on the up, Chelsea prima donnas have decided Sarri is worth playing for and The Arse are showing some green shoots of recovery. By contrast, we've recently lost to all 3 of them and have struggled or lost against some of the worst teams in the League. I'm pretty sure they can smell blood in the water.

cooperman · Jan 27, 2019

beats1 said:
Poch needs to develop as it has been lacking when facing tough competitions in the knockout rounds

Is today's game - or the Chelsea game - the best way to assess his "development", given our catastrophic injury / absentee issues?

Phomesy · Jan 27, 2019

St José Dominguez said:
Oh I believe in him, I don’t believe in the club he manages though right now.

Spurs?

I presume you mean ENIC?

Much wider debate and not thread specific so I take your point but won’t get into it (y)

beats1 · Jan 27, 2019

cooperman said:
Is today's game - or the Chelsea game - the best way to assess his "development", given our catastrophic injury / absentee issues?

Thats a fair point, as today he clearly threw the game imo. The chelsea game is imo, today isn't

However I made the assessment before we got knocked out as well, I just wish we made more of an effort today as it was opportunity for us to win something and get that taste.

I remember Fergie talking about how important the carling cup win was for them after a lull period of not winning and how they followed it up with winning the league, the next season

jurgen · Jan 27, 2019

I guess Poch is right in that if you consider how all our sporting revenue and CL money is skimmed off for property development and covering things like building delays, Wembley rent and a chairman’s remuneration package double that of any other, perhaps we really don’t want to see our financials without CL football..

Phomesy · Jan 27, 2019

Japhet said:
I'd have your arm off for a top 4 finish right now. Utd. are on the up, Chelsea prima donnas have decided Sarri is worth playing for and The Arse are showing some green shoots of recovery. By contrast, we've recently lost to all 3 of them and have struggled or lost against some of the worst teams in the League. I'm pretty sure they can smell blood in the water.

THere is blood in the water. We are fucking chum right now given the injuries and setbacks. The only thing we have going for us is the belief the squad has in itself.

I can't understand why people would undermine that belief by shitting on everything we've achieved in the last few just because our 2nd 11 couldn't get the job done against another Premier league team.

rossdapep · Jan 28, 2019

Japhet said:
I'd have your arm off for a top 4 finish right now. Utd. are on the up, Chelsea prima donnas have decided Sarri is worth playing for and The Arse are showing some green shoots of recovery. By contrast, we've recently lost to all 3 of them and have struggled or lost against some of the worst teams in the League. I'm pretty sure they can smell blood in the water.

The counter to that would be that we have Son, Sissoko, Winks, Eriksen, Rose, Toby and Lloris to all come in Wednesday onwards and we know that we are generally an entirely different prospect with them involved. I honestly think we would have scraped a result today (and Chelsea too) if Son or Eriksen had been playing, as bad as we were we've put in indifferent performances before and still come out smelling of roses. Difference today was we had noone to rely on.

Watford Newcastle and Leicester are must win games now. That would be one way to take off the heat and ensure we are still in a healthy situation.

Bobbins · Jan 28, 2019

Phomesy said:
THere is blood in the water. We are fucking chum right now given the injuries and setbacks. The only thing we have going for us is the belief the squad has in itself.

I can't understand why people would undermine that belief by shitting on everything we've achieved in the last few just because our 2nd 11 couldn't get the job done against another Premier league team.

I doubt the squad and Poch are reading SC and losing their faith in themselves. The fans aren't capable of undermining anything. We're almost completely irrelevant beyond our wallets.

CoopsieDeadpool · Jan 28, 2019

Ben1 said:
every time...and you know its coming. During the game watching the shit, thinking 'oh I know what poch will say now'.

Yet you sit & watch it

Lighty64 · Jan 28, 2019

SugarRay said:
West Ham pay players as much as we pay Harry and Dele. Arsenal pay even more and they don’t have champions league. They attracted Aubameyang with Europa league football.

You don’t know if we’d manage to retain our current players without champions league football. It’s not proven. Just likes it’s completely unfounded that us being in the champions league helps to attract players. That’s not happened has it?

For the record, I’m not against top 4, far from it. I’m also of the opinion it shouldn’t be one or the other. I just really value going all out for the FA Cup every season. It’s always been our best chance of glory ( bar maybe the Europa actually ) and I think we as a club should go for it full throttle every season.

the thing is even if Poch had put his strongest XI out there today, there was no guarantee it would of come out any better, in fact it could of been worse. we could of added to our injury list been out the cup, and had to play Watford with an even more depleted squad.

we definitely need more quality depth wise, but still no guarantee you won't suffer an injury crisis like we have.

we do need to take CL into the new stadium, even just to secure a decent sponsorship. that could be the difference in what money we have available whether with ENIC or someone else, because we have a huge debt to pay off and sponsorship and CL money will clear it a lot quicker. that won't even change if ENIC manage to sell us and pay the debts off, a new owner will want to get his 2b back, and will mean even less investment

Phomesy · Jan 28, 2019

Bobbins said:
I doubt the squad and Poch are reading SC and losing their faith in themselves. The fans aren't capable of undermining anything. We're almost completely irrelevant beyond our wallets.

Did I say they are reading SC?

But if you don't think support base "buy in" or the opposite doesn't effect on-field performance then you don't understand Sport.

Why on earth do you think Poch speaks about such things?

ljinko888 · Jan 28, 2019

This squad isn't particularly young anymore. It's largely the same group from three years ago. And something that saddens me is we've just seen Dembele leave the club without a medal. Going out of the two domestic cups means unless a miracle happens in the league or Champions League it'll be another season with no trophy and that might be that for Alderweireld and Eriksen. They can double their wages elsewhere and have Europe's top teams after them.

Lloris is 32 and Vertonghen is 31. I don't think those two will leave anytime soon but you can see we're going to be entering a rebuilding phase. This is why we need Poch to be backed because if this current team ends its cycle without silverware, we don't want to waste the prime years of Kane. Poch has done a remarkable job but he needs help and the realisation that this group of players, and potentially this manager will leave this club without a trophy to their names is harrowing. I don't want to look back at this period in a bitter-sweet what could have been perspective. No new stadium would soften that blow.

Bobbins · Jan 28, 2019

Lighty64 said:
the thing is even if Poch had put his strongest XI out there today, there was no guarantee it would of come out any better, in fact it could of been worse. we could of added to our injury list been out the cup, and had to play Watford with an even more depleted squad.

we definitely need more quality depth wise, but still no guarantee you won't suffer an injury crisis like we have.

we do need to take CL into the new stadium, even just to secure a decent sponsorship. that could be the difference in what money we have available whether with ENIC or someone else, because we have a huge debt to pay off and sponsorship and CL money will clear it a lot quicker. that won't even change if ENIC manage to sell us and pay the debts off, a new owner will want to get his 2b back, and will mean even less investment

Or we could've won comfortably and had no more injuries at all? That's just as likely a scenario. You can't just never play your best players because you're terrified of them getting injured.

On a different tack, if we had lost 10978 players injured against Palace and had to play Watford with an even more depleted squad, one thing that annoys me is that we seem to have absolutely no plan B of how to play. Today we kept tikki-takka-ing it around the box like we usually do, only without any of the talented players who usually make that system work. Palace meanwhile sat back, hit us on the break and could've had more goals if it hadn't been for Foyth and Sanchez doing good work.

Why can't we play differently? If we're genuinely down to the dregs, why can't we be the ones who sit back, nice and compact, make it difficult for the opposition and make use of the likes of Moura and GKN on the break?

We're so wedded to one system. Totally unwilling and unable to change even when the situation so obviously demands it.

Forums

What's new

Matches

Sportsbook

Members

The Mauricio Pochettino thread

SC Supporter

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Busy ****

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

SC's 14th Sexiest Male 2008

Well-Known Member

I believe

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

SC's 14th Sexiest Male 2008

Similar threads