Jose Mourinho

SUIYHA · Jun 19, 2020

fishhhandaricecake said:
Interesting quotes from Jose today saying he doesn’t expect us to spend big (surprise surprise) but that we will improve the squad and if we can do that in 2-3 areas little improvements then he’s ready for the challenge. I’d say this is partly true, partly obvious but also partly Jose underplaying it to the media, if we can get in just 2 full backs and a back up striker we will have an extremely strong squad :

lloris / gazzaniga

New RB / Aurier
Toby / sanchez
Dier / tanganga
New LB / Davies / sessengon

Winks/Sissoko/Skipp
GLC/Ndombele
Dele/Gedson

lucas/lamela
Kane/new ST
Son/Bergweign

so if he’s thinking along the same lines with the full backs and back/up to kane then we should be able to really compete next year.

COYS

yankspurs said:
He's gotta be looking at a DM upgrade as well. That's probably the most important signing we could make.

fishhhandaricecake said:
Oh yea forgot that one you’re spot on mate so mabye a Hoejberg type.

so he said 2-3 assuming he’s being cautious but that’s all we get I’d say His order Of priority will be:
1. Back up striker
2. DM
3. RB
4. LB

agree?

danielneeds said:
I think it’s DM, RB, ST, essential. A CB and LB are probably longer-term. Although there keeps being noise he likes Cirkin for LB.

yankspurs said:
I’d go DM, RB, backup ST in terms of order although I believe it is absolutely imperative we fill each this summer. LB is probably a longer term thing but i would assume Cirkin and Sessegnon are probably being looked at as the future in that position.

shelfboy68 said:
If we only bought one player this summer the DM is where all or most of the money should be ploughed into.
It is critical that this is addressed, but a quality one will need heavy investment no good when levy is only concerned with raiding the bargain bins.

I can't believe there have been so many replies to this thread without anyone mentioning arguably the most important position of all that needs to be strengthened this summer.

Goalkeeper.

I don't disagree that our full-backs are weak, our centre-backs seemingly on the decline, that we haven't got a "traditional" defensive midfielder nor traditional "striker" to back up Kane.

However, even though he used to be world class, Lloris has been on a major decline for the past three years. In 17/18 he was inconsistent. In 18/19 he was a liability. And this season, when fit, he has been even worse still.

You can come up with the best tactical game plan, dominate the play, get in the heads of the opposition - but if your goalkeeper makes a mistake then that can all go to shit in an instant. And Lloris has made far too many mistakes that have destroyed game plans and shifted the dynamic of the games, particularly big games, away from us over the last couple of years. Let's take Leipzig away as a prime example - we were up against an inexperienced side that hadn't really played in two-legged European knockout ties before, if we got at them and got an away goal we could have turned the tie around - we then started the game really well and it looked like Mourinho had a plan, but two absolute howlers from Lloris and suddenly we're 2-0 down after 20 minutes, our heads drop, they are signing and dancing and we have to open up to their pace on the counter attack. Yes he played well in the first leg, but games like that are extremely rare these days, games like the away leg are not.

More mistakes listed here:

Player Watch - Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

a solid keeper breathes life into the defence and those in front of him. not all hugo's fault but the entire team is walking on eggshells right now. been a problem area for a while imo.

www.spurscommunity.co.uk

Player Watch - Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

Has anybody thrown the Jenas article in here? If not. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47768704 im glad he said it.....

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Three years is not a blip. It's not a poor run of form - it's a decline in ability. I had hoped that after his injury layoff he'd have had some time to get his head in place and come back stronger, but he came back even worse. A real shame, but we have to eventually say enough is enough - the mistakes are too frequent and too costly.

BringBack_leGin · Jun 19, 2020

SUIYHA said:
I can't believe there have been so many replies to this thread without anyone mentioning arguably the most important position of all that needs to be strengthened this summer.

Goalkeeper.

I don't disagree that our full-backs are weak, our centre-backs seemingly on the decline, that we haven't got a "traditional" defensive midfielder nor traditional "striker" to back up Kane.

However, even though he used to be world class, Lloris has been on a major decline for the past three years. In 17/18 he was inconsistent. In 18/19 he was a liability. And this season, when fit, he has been even worse still.

You can come up with the best tactical game plan, dominate the play, get in the heads of the opposition - but if your goalkeeper makes a mistake then that can all go to shit in an instant. And Lloris has made far too many mistakes that have destroyed game plans and shifted the dynamic of the games, particularly big games, away from us over the last couple of years. Let's take Leipzig away as a prime example - we were up against an inexperienced side that hadn't really played in two-legged European knockout ties before, if we got at them and got an away goal we could have turned the tie around - we then started the game really well and it looked like Mourinho had a plan, but two absolute howlers from Lloris and suddenly we're 2-0 down after 20 minutes, our heads drop, they are signing and dancing and we have to open up to their pace on the counter attack. Yes he played well in the first leg, but games like that are extremely rare these days, games like the away leg are not.

More mistakes listed here:

Player Watch - Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

a solid keeper breathes life into the defence and those in front of him. not all hugo's fault but the entire team is walking on eggshells right now. been a problem area for a while imo.

www.spurscommunity.co.uk

Player Watch - Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

Has anybody thrown the Jenas article in here? If not. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47768704 im glad he said it.....

www.spurscommunity.co.uk

Three years is not a blip. It's not a poor run of form - it's a decline in ability. I had hoped that after his injury layoff he'd have had some time to get his head in place and come back stronger, but he came back even worse. A real shame, but we have to eventually say enough is enough - the mistakes are too frequent and too costly.

You’re right, three years is neither a blip nor a poor run of form. It’s a gross exaggeration.

SUIYHA · Jun 19, 2020

So if I was going to rank it:

1. RB - Aurier might be ok as backup but no more than that
2. CB - Jan is finished, Toby on the decline, Dier arguably never good enough at CB, Sanchez and Foyth don't seem to be progressing. Arguably we need two new CBs.
3. Goalkeeper - as above
4. LB - Sessegnon may well be the answer in the long term, but for now I don't feel that him and Davies are good enough as the two

Looking at the games before lockdown, we sure did look like we needed a new DM and CF as well - however I am willing to see how Sissoko/Gedson get on when paired with Ndombele and Lo Celso, and if Parrot can force his way into the side with the additional subs rule.

Not going to be cheap to get all of this lot in.

Nicki78 · Jun 19, 2020

SUIYHA said:
So if I was going to rank it:

1. RB - Aurier might be ok as backup but no more than that
2. CB - Jan is finished, Toby on the decline, Dier arguably never good enough at CB, Sanchez and Foyth don't seem to be progressing. Arguably we need two new CBs.
3. Goalkeeper - as above
4. LB - Sessegnon may well be the answer in the long term, but for now I don't feel that him and Davies are good enough as the two

Looking at the games before lockdown, we sure did look like we needed a new DM and CF as well - however I am willing to see how Sissoko/Gedson get on when paired with Ndombele and Lo Celso, and if Parrot can force his way into the side with the additional subs rule.

Not going to be cheap to get all of this lot in.

I agree with a lot of what you've said but i do disagree on Sanchez - i have definitely seen improvement in his performances this season.

danielneeds · Jun 19, 2020

SUIYHA said:
I can't believe there have been so many replies to this thread without anyone mentioning arguably the most important position of all that needs to be strengthened this summer.

Goalkeeper.

I don't disagree that our full-backs are weak, our centre-backs seemingly on the decline, that we haven't got a "traditional" defensive midfielder nor traditional "striker" to back up Kane.

However, even though he used to be world class, Lloris has been on a major decline for the past three years. In 17/18 he was inconsistent. In 18/19 he was a liability. And this season, when fit, he has been even worse still.

You can come up with the best tactical game plan, dominate the play, get in the heads of the opposition - but if your goalkeeper makes a mistake then that can all go to shit in an instant. And Lloris has made far too many mistakes that have destroyed game plans and shifted the dynamic of the games, particularly big games, away from us over the last couple of years. Let's take Leipzig away as a prime example - we were up against an inexperienced side that hadn't really played in two-legged European knockout ties before, if we got at them and got an away goal we could have turned the tie around - we then started the game really well and it looked like Mourinho had a plan, but two absolute howlers from Lloris and suddenly we're 2-0 down after 20 minutes, our heads drop, they are signing and dancing and we have to open up to their pace on the counter attack. Yes he played well in the first leg, but games like that are extremely rare these days, games like the away leg are not.

More mistakes listed here:

Player Watch - Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

a solid keeper breathes life into the defence and those in front of him. not all hugo's fault but the entire team is walking on eggshells right now. been a problem area for a while imo.

www.spurscommunity.co.uk

Player Watch - Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

Has anybody thrown the Jenas article in here? If not. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47768704 im glad he said it.....

www.spurscommunity.co.uk

Three years is not a blip. It's not a poor run of form - it's a decline in ability. I had hoped that after his injury layoff he'd have had some time to get his head in place and come back stronger, but he came back even worse. A real shame, but we have to eventually say enough is enough - the mistakes are too frequent and too costly.

I agree that we do need to be looking for a Hugo successor, but given the financial realities this summer, and the gaping holes in other positons it’s got to be kicked down the road a bit. Ideally we should be targeting a keeper we like who’s contract is running down and making him an offer for next year.

Trees · Jun 19, 2020

Question. If no CL or EL qualification, do we think there is a release clause within Mourinho's contract for us to extricate ourselves ?

Northernspurs · Jun 19, 2020

Trees said:
Question. If no CL or EL qualification, do we think there is a release clause within Mourinho's contract for us to extricate ourselves ?

No

topper · Jun 19, 2020

Trees said:
Question. If no CL or EL qualification, do we think there is a release clause within Mourinho's contract to extricate himself ?

FYP

SUIYHA · Jun 19, 2020

Nicki78 said:
I agree with a lot of what you've said but i do disagree on Sanchez - i have definitely seen improvement in his performances this season.

Perhaps I'm being too harsh on him, but when he first broke into the side and slotted into that three man defence back in 2017 he looked the real deal, the Ledley comparisons were more than justified and for all the hype about Van Dijk who transferred in the same season then there was a valid case that Sanchez had been the better signing. Obviously their careers have gone in very different directions since. He's still only just turned 24 though (Van Dijk was still playing in Scotland at the same age) so plenty of time for him to improve - but at the moment I don't think he's made himself undroppable.

danielneeds said:
I agree that we do need to be looking for a Hugo successor, but given the financial realities this summer, and the gaping holes in other positons it’s got to be kicked down the road a bit. Ideally we should be targeting a keeper we like who’s contract is running down and making him an offer for next year.

A year ago I was in the same boat - an upgrade on Hugo was a nice to have, not a must have. But he has cost us too many games now - we need to be allocating and prioritising resources towards getting some stability back - he's also a good 4/5 years older than any other keeper in the top 6 and the decline is getting faster and faster.

I'll remind you all that by the start of 2018, Liverpool had essentially put together the core of squad they have now, with one key piece of the puzzle missing - Karius was still in goal. For all their attacking talent, physical strengths and defensive organisation, a weak goalkeeper meant they were vulnerable, they still dropped plenty of points and they only managed to secure 4th place on the final day of the season before quite spectacularly losing the CL final. They then spent big money on bringing in a top class new goalkeeper and you've all seen the result - just one defeat in 66 league games, a Champions League win and an inevitable PL title. People just don't seem to appreciate what a big difference a world class goalkeeper can make, and we haven't one for a few years now.

danielneeds · Jun 19, 2020

SUIYHA said:
Perhaps I'm being too harsh on him, but when he first broke into the side and slotted into that three man defence back in 2017 he looked the real deal, the Ledley comparisons were more than justified and for all the hype about Van Dijk who transferred in the same season then there was a valid case that Sanchez had been the better signing. Obviously their careers have gone in very different directions since. He's still only just turned 24 though (Van Dijk was still playing in Scotland at the same age) so plenty of time for him to improve - but at the moment I don't think he's made himself undroppable.

A year ago I was in the same boat - an upgrade on Hugo was a nice to have, not a must have. But he has cost us too many games now - we need to be allocating and prioritising resources towards getting some stability back - he's also a good 4/5 years older than any other keeper in the top 6 and the decline is getting faster and faster.

I'll remind you all that by the start of 2018, Liverpool had essentially put together the core of squad they have now, with one key piece of the puzzle missing - Karius was still in goal. For all their attacking talent, physical strengths and defensive organisation, a weak goalkeeper meant they were vulnerable, they still dropped plenty of points and they only managed to secure 4th place on the final day of the season before quite spectacularly losing the CL final. They then spent big money on bringing in a top class new goalkeeper and you've all seen the result - just one defeat in 66 league games, a Champions League win and an inevitable PL title. People just don't seem to appreciate what a big difference a world class goalkeeper can make, and we haven't one for a few years now.

Lloris is hardly Karius, though. There’s even a small hope that a change of manager and coaching might see him refreshed. After all, he’d only just got back before the season curtailled.

Goalkeeper is probably the most important position in a team along with striker, but Liverpool had big money to sign world class and we don’t. As, I say, we should be looking a year ahead now and find a keeper on a short contract we can lever out.

SUIYHA · Jun 19, 2020

danielneeds said:
Lloris is hardly Karius, though. There’s even a small hope that a change of manager and coaching might see him refreshed. After all, he’d only just got back before the season curtailled.

Goalkeeper is probably the most important position in a team along with striker, but Liverpool had big money to sign world class and we don’t. As, I say, we should be looking a year ahead now and find a keeper on a short contract we can lever out.

Lloris vs Loris. But, and I'm being deadly serious when I say this, Lloris over the past few years has been no better than Karius was at Liverpool, arguably even worse. He had credit in the bank for an excellent first five seasons, but the last 18 months have been nothing short of a disaster and I'd like to see it end before he ruins the reputation he built up here. I hope you're right that he may come back refreshed and motivated after the break - but at his age I think it's unlikely he'll get much better as his reflexes get slower.

Timberwolf · Jun 19, 2020

SUIYHA said:
Lloris vs Loris. But, and I'm being deadly serious when I say this, Lloris over the past few years has been no better than Karius was at Liverpool, arguably even worse. He had credit in the bank for an excellent first five seasons, but the last 18 months have been nothing short of a disaster and I'd like to see it end before he ruins the reputation he built up here. I hope you're right that he may come back refreshed and motivated after the break - but at his age I think it's unlikely he'll get much better as his reflexes get slower.

Don't think he's been quite as bad as Karius or Mignolet - taking out his errors I believe Lloris still has some of the best shot-stopping stats in the league.

100% agree that we need to upgrade though, as the mistakes are getting more and more common and he's becoming a real liability.

Metalhead · Jun 19, 2020

SUIYHA said:
I can't believe there have been so many replies to this thread without anyone mentioning arguably the most important position of all that needs to be strengthened this summer.

Goalkeeper.

I don't disagree that our full-backs are weak, our centre-backs seemingly on the decline, that we haven't got a "traditional" defensive midfielder nor traditional "striker" to back up Kane.

However, even though he used to be world class, Lloris has been on a major decline for the past three years. In 17/18 he was inconsistent. In 18/19 he was a liability. And this season, when fit, he has been even worse still.

You can come up with the best tactical game plan, dominate the play, get in the heads of the opposition - but if your goalkeeper makes a mistake then that can all go to shit in an instant. And Lloris has made far too many mistakes that have destroyed game plans and shifted the dynamic of the games, particularly big games, away from us over the last couple of years. Let's take Leipzig away as a prime example - we were up against an inexperienced side that hadn't really played in two-legged European knockout ties before, if we got at them and got an away goal we could have turned the tie around - we then started the game really well and it looked like Mourinho had a plan, but two absolute howlers from Lloris and suddenly we're 2-0 down after 20 minutes, our heads drop, they are signing and dancing and we have to open up to their pace on the counter attack. Yes he played well in the first leg, but games like that are extremely rare these days, games like the away leg are not.

More mistakes listed here:

Player Watch - Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

a solid keeper breathes life into the defence and those in front of him. not all hugo's fault but the entire team is walking on eggshells right now. been a problem area for a while imo.

www.spurscommunity.co.uk

Player Watch - Player Watch: Hugo Lloris

Has anybody thrown the Jenas article in here? If not. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47768704 im glad he said it.....

www.spurscommunity.co.uk

Three years is not a blip. It's not a poor run of form - it's a decline in ability. I had hoped that after his injury layoff he'd have had some time to get his head in place and come back stronger, but he came back even worse. A real shame, but we have to eventually say enough is enough - the mistakes are too frequent and too costly.

We were linked with a goalkeeper the other day but I can't remember who.

Wsussexspur · Jun 19, 2020

Trees said:
Question. If no CL or EL qualification, do we think there is a release clause within Mourinho's contract for us to extricate ourselves ?

Doubt it. Be interesting to see what happens if things don't go well in this 9 game period though. Would Levy preserve with Jose if even with a virtually fully fit squad and the three month break he cant turn around the form we have been in this year and we basically carry on from where finished in March?

Wsussexspur · Jun 19, 2020

Metalhead said:
We were linked with a goalkeeper the other day but I can't remember who.

Pau Lopez! Be just typical of our transfer policy if we try and sign now for £15/£20 million after turning down the opportunity to sign him for £2-£5 million the other year.

teedee · Jun 19, 2020

Timberwolf said:
Don't think he's been quite as bad as Karius or Mignolet - taking out his errors I believe Lloris still has some of the best shot-stopping stats in the league.

100% agree that we need to upgrade though, as the mistakes are getting more and more common and he's becoming a real liability.

Lloris's performances have unquestionably deteriorated, he gets caught in no man's land (a bit like Gomez - should I go or should I stay), etc, but he is still a great shot stopper. Along with others, I suspect, I looked forward to Gazzaniga getting a run in the team, but when that happened he failed to impress. There aren't that many great goalies around, but there are two outstanding ones in the PL at Man City and Liverpool and another excellent one at Man Utd, so Lloris suffers by comparison. In addition our defence has been a shambles, which just adds to the pressure on Hugo. I would still like us to sign a top quality replacement, but that isn't going to happen, anymore than we will sign Kante to shore up the middle of the park.

Shadydan · Jun 19, 2020

Replacing Lloris isn't a priority.

danielneeds · Jun 19, 2020

Metalhead said:
We were linked with a goalkeeper the other day but I can't remember who.

We’ve been linked with a few - Onana, Henderson, Pope, etc. All out of our price range this summer.

Strikeb4ck · Jun 19, 2020

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ikky · Jun 19, 2020

Time for Jose to earn the hefty moolah we are paying him now he practically has a fully fit squad.

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