Jose Mourinho

[fishhhandaricecake]

Interesting quotes from Jose today saying he doesn’t expect us to spend big (surprise surprise) but that we will improve the squad and if we can do that in 2-3 areas little improvements then he’s ready for the challenge. I’d say this is partly true, partly obvious but also partly Jose underplaying it to the media, if we can get in just 2 full backs and a back up striker we will have an extremely strong squad :

lloris / gazzaniga

New RB / Aurier
Toby / sanchez
Dier / tanganga
New LB / Davies / sessengon

Winks/Sissoko/Skipp
GLC/Ndombele
Dele/Gedson

lucas/lamela
Kane/new ST
Son/Bergweign

so if he’s thinking along the same lines with the full backs and back/up to kane then we should be able to really compete next year.

COYS

 

[yankspurs]

Interesting quotes from Jose today saying he doesn’t expect us to spend big (surprise surprise) but that we will improve the squad and if we can do that in 2-3 areas little improvements then he’s ready for the challenge. I’d say this is partly true, partly obvious but also partly Jose underplaying it to the media, if we can get in just 2 full backs and a back up striker we will have an extremely strong squad :

lloris / gazzaniga

New RB / Aurier
Toby / sanchez
Dier / tanganga
New LB / Davies / sessengon

Winks/Sissoko/Skipp
GLC/Ndombele
Dele/Gedson

lucas/lamela
Kane/new ST
Son/Bergweign

so if he’s thinking along the same lines with the full backs and back/up to kane then we should be able to really compete next year.

COYS

He's gotta be looking at a DM upgrade as well. That's probably the most important signing we could make.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

He's gotta be looking at a DM upgrade as well. That's probably the most important signing we could make.

Oh yea forgot that one you’re spot on mate so mabye a Hoejberg type.

so he said 2-3 assuming he’s being cautious but that’s all we get I’d say His order Of priority will be:
1. Back up striker
2. DM
3. RB
4. LB

agree?

 

[mill]

He also said we’re talking with vertonghan about a new contract

 

[danielneeds]

Oh yea forgot that one you’re spot on mate so mabye a Hoejberg type.

so he said 2-3 assuming he’s being cautious but that’s all we get I’d say His order Of priority will be:
1. Back up striker
2. DM
3. RB
4. LB

agree?

I think it’s DM, RB, ST, essential. A CB and LB are probably longer-term. Although there keeps being noise he likes Cirkin for LB.

 

[yankspurs]

Oh yea forgot that one you’re spot on mate so mabye a Hoejberg type.

so he said 2-3 assuming he’s being cautious but that’s all we get I’d say His order Of priority will be:
1. Back up striker
2. DM
3. RB
4. LB

agree?

I’d go DM, RB, backup ST in terms of order although I believe it is absolutely imperative we fill each this summer. LB is probably a longer term thing but i would assume Cirkin and Sessegnon are probably being looked at as the future in that position.

 

[walworthyid]

Whether Jose is successful or not only time will tell we just do not know until his tenure is over .
What I find unhelpful and I must say distasteful is the likes of Tim Vickery saying that Jose is "the wrong choice " or "his boat has gone " and he will not play the Tottenham way to some extent I am paraphrasing his words .This was on a spurs bog .
This sort of vibe is really not going to help the club the players or the manager we must all get behind and support this manager if we truly want success for our club . People like Vickery saying if we fail " I want to fail playing the Tottenham way and lose in a blaze of glory "
This playing the "Tottenham way " is a myth in my time going to spurs which is 70 years I can identify the times we played the " Tottenham way"
!950/1/2 under Arther Rowe then 10 of the Nicholson years were really good then for 4 years Burkenshaw was good then 2 years of pleat then 2 years of Venables and then there was the Graham league cup win the Chelsea league cup win . in my seventy years of going to spurs
we have had 23years of real success or if you want "playing the Tottenhamway" and 47 years of average poor and downright dross and except for the Martin Jol efforts at resurgence and Poch flirting with success but ultimately failing we have played all types and kind of football and this "Tottenham way " myth must not be used as something to metaphorically bash any incoming manager over the head with .
By the way if you look up Jose record with different clubs he is in fact an attacking manager except when he smells danger when he then becomes pragmatic {defensive if you like } and this is adapting to the opposition .
For goodness sake get behind the manager and stop with the negative vibes .

Far be it for me with my 39 years of support to question your knowledge or opinion. And I really do mean that. But, I think that the "tottenham way" is an aspiration, an identity, something that we as a club aim for. To play "football". Although this certainly applied far more in the 80s when football was far less cultured if you will, we should still embrace that identity. Poch, hardly played great football and actually the best football I've seen us play was under Redknapp. First man utd, arsenal and more recently city have taken football to a new level. But it should still be what we aim for as a club.

I do agree that it is used to beat managers with and in a very real sense it influences player recruitment, selections, tactics and ultimately success on the pitch.

But in terms of Mourinho, we should at least expect a gameplan, an identity. Yes injuries have been a factor, but if the same injuries happened under poch or even Redknapp, we would have played the same way but just less well. When most of our squad was fit we were still awful. When we were winning a few, we were awful. I just dont see the tactical rationale in conceding both the ball and territory, yet not pressing? I fail to see the logic in knocking the ball long when you dont have a forward that can hold it up? I cant understand how you can expect success when you dont have a plan that involves actually having the ball? The players dont seem to know what they are doing or where they are supposed to be. We have a central midfielder that spends his time covering the right back. A right back that can't defend. A holding midfielder in winks that very clearly cannot play there in a 2. Moura being played up the middle when he just isnt suited to it. A left back that's not allowed to cross the halfway line. Wingers that dont play on the wing. Creative players who have nobody to pass to. We sit back and allow the opposition to play at will, but dont seem to have a cohesive strategy to close the ball or even the space. Its shockingly poor. It is no better than Sherwood and worse than AVB in my opinion.

I just want to see progress. A plan. The game has moved on. In order to compete in this league, pressing the ball is an absolute non-negotiable. Being able to retain possession is a non-negotiable. Having attacking patterns is a non-negotiable. Under Mourinho I have seen none of that at any point. I was initially quite impressed by the way that he adapted the team to injuries, but it has never gone anywhere.

It's not good enough.

 

[walworthyid]

He's gotta be looking at a DM upgrade as well. That's probably the most important signing we could make.

I would agree with you but a top quality dm that can pass is a very expensive acquisition. I think that with some tweaks we have players that can play there. Both winks and skipp have potential if properly protected. Lo celso is very tenacious and absolute quality on the ball, he has everything needed to play there. But again, needs to be protected. Ndombele and sissoko definitely cannot play there. The holding midfield player of today isnt the destroyer of old, he is a creative player with great positional and tactical awareness. We should be playing with the expectation of having the ball and have as many players as possible who can use it creatively.

 

[Timberwolf]

I would agree with you but a top quality dm that can pass is a very expensive acquisition. I think that with some tweaks we have players that can play there. Both winks and skipp have potential if properly protected. Lo celso is very tenacious and absolute quality on the ball, he has everything needed to play there. But again, needs to be protected. Ndombele and sissoko definitely cannot play there. The holding midfield player of today isnt the destroyer of old, he is a creative player with great positional and tactical awareness. We should be playing with the expectation of having the ball and have as many players as possible who can use it creatively.

Skipp yes, Lo Celso maybe (though I think his talents would be wasted as a 6) and Winks definitely no.

Winks just doesn't have the tenacity, the physicality or the defensive instinct to be a proper 6.

I think we 100% need someone more defensively minded in there. Not necessarily a destroyer but certainly someone with more about them than Winks.

 

[yankspurs]

I would agree with you but a top quality dm that can pass is a very expensive acquisition. I think that with some tweaks we have players that can play there. Both winks and skipp have potential if properly protected. Lo celso is very tenacious and absolute quality on the ball, he has everything needed to play there. But again, needs to be protected. Ndombele and sissoko definitely cannot play there. The holding midfield player of today isnt the destroyer of old, he is a creative player with great positional and tactical awareness. We should be playing with the expectation of having the ball and have as many players as possible who can use it creatively.

Winks as a DM? No. He doesnt have the physicality for it nor does he have the defensive abilities for that position. Winks is a #8 to be played with a DM. And we now have 3 other CM’s at that position. In an ideal world, we’d play with a CM 3 of GLC, DM, Ndombele while backing them up with Winks, Skipp, Gedson.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Far be it for me with my 39 years of support to question your knowledge or opinion. And I really do mean that. But, I think that the "tottenham way" is an aspiration, an identity, something that we as a club aim for. To play "football". Although this certainly applied far more in the 80s when football was far less cultured if you will, we should still embrace that identity. Poch, hardly played great football and actually the best football I've seen us play was under Redknapp. First man utd, arsenal and more recently city have taken football to a new level. But it should still be what we aim for as a club.

I do agree that it is used to beat managers with and in a very real sense it influences player recruitment, selections, tactics and ultimately success on the pitch.

But in terms of Mourinho, we should at least expect a gameplan, an identity. Yes injuries have been a factor, but if the same injuries happened under poch or even Redknapp, we would have played the same way but just less well. When most of our squad was fit we were still awful. When we were winning a few, we were awful. I just dont see the tactical rationale in conceding both the ball and territory, yet not pressing? I fail to see the logic in knocking the ball long when you dont have a forward that can hold it up? I cant understand how you can expect success when you dont have a plan that involves actually having the ball? The players dont seem to know what they are doing or where they are supposed to be. We have a central midfielder that spends his time covering the right back. A right back that can't defend. A holding midfielder in winks that very clearly cannot play there in a 2. Moura being played up the middle when he just isnt suited to it. A left back that's not allowed to cross the halfway line. Wingers that dont play on the wing. Creative players who have nobody to pass to. We sit back and allow the opposition to play at will, but dont seem to have a cohesive strategy to close the ball or even the space. Its shockingly poor. It is no better than Sherwood and worse than AVB in my opinion.

I just want to see progress. A plan. The game has moved on. In order to compete in this league, pressing the ball is an absolute non-negotiable. Being able to retain possession is a non-negotiable. Having attacking patterns is a non-negotiable. Under Mourinho I have seen none of that at any point. I was initially quite impressed by the way that he adapted the team to injuries, but it has never gone anywhere.

It's not good enough.

Agree with a lot of this. Although blind faith has me hoping the enforced break has solved many of these problems.

 

[shelfboy68]

I would agree with you but a top quality dm that can pass is a very expensive acquisition. I think that with some tweaks we have players that can play there. Both winks and skipp have potential if properly protected. Lo celso is very tenacious and absolute quality on the ball, he has everything needed to play there. But again, needs to be protected. Ndombele and sissoko definitely cannot play there. The holding midfield player of today isnt the destroyer of old, he is a creative player with great positional and tactical awareness. We should be playing with the expectation of having the ball and have as many players as possible who can use it creatively.

If we only bought one player this summer the DM is where all or most of the money should be ploughed into.
It is critical that this is addressed, but a quality one will need heavy investment no good when levy is only concerned with raiding the bargain bins.

 

[Japhet]

If we only bought one player this summer the DM is where all or most of the money should be ploughed into.
It is critical that this is addressed, but a quality one will need heavy investment no good when levy is only concerned with raiding the bargain bins.

Just seen some report that Chelsea could sell Kante. I can dream!!

 

[spursfan77]

Agree with a lot of this. Although blind faith has me hoping the enforced break has solved many of these problems.

yeah I noticed you were being a lot more positive towards Mourinho!

Dont think much will change though and we will still be hampered by the same problems in midfield.

 

[spursfan77]

Just seen some report that Chelsea could sell Kante. I can dream!!

I was thinking the same!

Although I can’t help but think that if they are trying to sell him there must be another reason behind it other than raising funds. He’s had a couple of injuries, maybe they’ve really knocked him back.

So good though and would solve everything in one go.

 

[buckley]

If you are going to put a time of going to spurs then I have been attending spurs games for 69 years that does not give me better knowledge of what the " spurs way " is it just means I have seen more teams players and managers having the nous of deciding what is the" spurs way "
is another matter and I still say "the spurs way " is a myth as is the " West Ham way " or the " arsenal way " they are all myths .
The time in a clubs history will tell you that any club that has had gained a name of playing in such and such "a way "
It will coincide with having a great manager and having the best players at such times you play " the spurs way " when you have a weak manager and a poor team the " spurs way " goes out the window as you have not got the best equipment to play the best football .

 

[shelfboy68]

Just seen some report that Chelsea could sell Kante. I can dream!!

We can exactly what we need but exactly what we won't get.

 

[Metalhead]

Far be it for me with my 39 years of support to question your knowledge or opinion. And I really do mean that. But, I think that the "tottenham way" is an aspiration, an identity, something that we as a club aim for. To play "football". Although this certainly applied far more in the 80s when football was far less cultured if you will, we should still embrace that identity. Poch, hardly played great football and actually the best football I've seen us play was under Redknapp. First man utd, arsenal and more recently city have taken football to a new level. But it should still be what we aim for as a club.

I do agree that it is used to beat managers with and in a very real sense it influences player recruitment, selections, tactics and ultimately success on the pitch.

But in terms of Mourinho, we should at least expect a gameplan, an identity. Yes injuries have been a factor, but if the same injuries happened under poch or even Redknapp, we would have played the same way but just less well. When most of our squad was fit we were still awful. When we were winning a few, we were awful. I just dont see the tactical rationale in conceding both the ball and territory, yet not pressing? I fail to see the logic in knocking the ball long when you dont have a forward that can hold it up? I cant understand how you can expect success when you dont have a plan that involves actually having the ball? The players dont seem to know what they are doing or where they are supposed to be. We have a central midfielder that spends his time covering the right back. A right back that can't defend. A holding midfielder in winks that very clearly cannot play there in a 2. Moura being played up the middle when he just isnt suited to it. A left back that's not allowed to cross the halfway line. Wingers that dont play on the wing. Creative players who have nobody to pass to. We sit back and allow the opposition to play at will, but dont seem to have a cohesive strategy to close the ball or even the space. Its shockingly poor. It is no better than Sherwood and worse than AVB in my opinion.

I just want to see progress. A plan. The game has moved on. In order to compete in this league, pressing the ball is an absolute non-negotiable. Being able to retain possession is a non-negotiable. Having attacking patterns is a non-negotiable. Under Mourinho I have seen none of that at any point. I was initially quite impressed by the way that he adapted the team to injuries, but it has never gone anywhere.

It's not good enough.

If we still see a repeat of what we had before over the next several months then I'd fully agree. I think that it would be silly to pass final judgement based on the period before the lockdown as there was a definite hangover from the Poch period, he has, let's remember a brand new coaching setup and just didn't have a lot of time to work with the players and instill his philosophy. Now he's had that time, let's see.

 

[Wig]

Just seen some report that Chelsea could sell Kante. I can dream!!

Sadly Chelsea just won't sell to us even if they actually want rid of a player

 

[spursfan77]

Sadly Chelsea just won't sell to us even if they actually want rid of a player

I'm not sure. It will be bloody hard and expensive dealing with them though. Almost not worth the hassle and the stringing along. Eg. We all knew thats what they were doing to us with Giroud in January.