Match Threads Bournemouth vs Spurs - Match Thread

We have to sell One of Kane, Son or Ndombele this summer if we really don't have any money and spent that money on young, hungry, skillful footballers ...

punkisback said:

Honestly, I think we're overrating our players. Are our starting FB better than Sheffield? Is our DM better than their's?

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They're limited players too but have been gelled into a useful unit?

thecook said:

What, win stuff?

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Waste £300m for two mediocre trophies? I expect that on our budget from him.

Omfg
it’s torture. Horrible, horrible football.

Sure I’ve seen worse Spurs teams over the years, but I have never one so godwful boring to watch

emiley heskey said:

We have to sell One of Kane, Son or Ndombele this summer if we really don't have any money and spent that money on young, hungry, skillful footballers ...

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Son, for me. At 28 years old he’s probably peaked.

Mark_147 said:

Then he's just delaying the inevitable.

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True, but I just don’t see it.

Watching Spurs in general turns my stomach. But then again football as a whole is poor to watch at the moment. From players to match officials its rotten to the core.

Smokinhotspur said:

Make you right. After the public dressing gown he got from Jose before the lockdown and the follow up hatchet job on his performance from Carragher on sky, you would have thought he would take maximum advantage of the break to get himself in tip top condition ready to show the world the player he really is. Instead he looks in worse shape than before the lockdown and it is no surprise for me that he has been used sparingly so far.

That horrendous sliding tackle he made towards the end tells you everything you need to know. A player in decent condition would not need to slide in from so far out. It is a lazy tackle meant to give the impression he is getting stuck in but is essentially a con that reflects his poor condition and the fact he couldn't get there.

I suspect the positive comments about him are due to his undoubted ability and our desperation for some sort of hope. He is not the answer and like most of our 'record buys' over the years it looks like we have bagged ourselves yet another dud that will likely be hard to shift for any decent return. Sigh.

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Its remarkable how out of shape he seems. Overweight and ponderous. He can play decent football - but is not helped by the likes of Lamela and Sissoko and the complete lack of creativity by any players around him. But the lack of conditioning certainly seems to impact him. I thought it was a genetic thing and looked him up on YouTube. Seemed clearly fitter before

Smokinhotspur said:

Make you right. After the public dressing gown he got from Jose before the lockdown and the follow up hatchet job on his performance from Carragher on sky, you would have thought he would take maximum advantage of the break to get himself in tip top condition ready to show the world the player he really is. Instead he looks in worse shape than before the lockdown and it is no surprise for me that he has been used sparingly so far.

That horrendous sliding tackle he made towards the end tells you everything you need to know. A player in decent condition would not need to slide in from so far out. It is a lazy tackle meant to give the impression he is getting stuck in but is essentially a con that reflects his poor condition and the fact he couldn't get there.

I suspect the positive comments about him are due to his undoubted ability and our desperation for some sort of hope. He is not the answer and like most of our 'record buys' over the years it looks like we have bagged ourselves yet another dud that will likely be hard to shift for any decent return. Sigh.

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This is confirmational biased nonsense at its very worst. Moreover, in respect to the sliding tackling, the poor guy can't win...doesnt make the tackle he's called lazy and with a poor attitude...makes the tackle and he's called unfit. Lamela does that and he's a hero, Dier does it and he's a leader etc etc.

Some of our fans....

Mattspur said:

I don't understand this school of thought at all. Levy wasn't on the pitch and he didn't pick the team or the tactics. What is it that he's done which makes you believe it's his fault?

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I blame the board for not investing at the right times; for going for deals that seemed to fit financially over what the manager’s had asked for; for delivering 1 trophy in 20 years; for watching clubs around us show ambition and surpass us and still feeding us the same old lines; for delivering a stadium with a cost inflated by the focus on commercial opportunities and thus saddling us with an unnecessarily large debt; for charging the highest amount for season tickets and still delivering no trophies.

hutchiniho said:

I have no issue with Davies atm. He's been playing pretty well.
He's no Roberto Carlos sure, but he's been fine.
And actually when he has got forwards as a regular fullback (not this sliding to a back three to release Aurier) he's actually lined quite well, and provided some much needed balance.

Vote for Davies

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This is the problem are fans rate shit players

sausage said:

It's the same situation AVB had - we have a bunch of good individual players, but we don't have a good team. It's all a bit of a mess.

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spursgirls said:

Exactly! Couldn't agree more. We were actually saying recently that they look like they've never been introduced to each other! There's no understanding of when to pass, when to make a run, and if someone does make a run, it's not spotted by the player with the ball. 11 individuals, but not a team.

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In a word: coaching. (Or lack thereof).

markt said:

Our game plan seems to give ridiculous amounts of chances to cross from the right. Aurier has all the pace and athleticism to get in those positions, but no delivery.

I would be interested to see the number of crosses from that area in that game and how many hit a Spurs player.

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2 half way decent crosses, that was it.

Aurier has become more resilient defensively, but I simply cannot understand why he doesn't look to go past his fullback to cross, I haven't seen him take on a fullback for weeks now. I can live with him not getting every cross right, no winger or attacking fullback does, but he's got to make the opposition fullback work to stop him. At the moment they're far too comfortable just taking up a position knowing that it will funnel him inside.

But Aurier, at the moment, is the least of our problems. I've been a staunch advocate of Lamela for years now, but he's run his race here now. 7 years at Spurs and you'd think his game would have improved going forward. It hasn't and he's one of the plethora of players we have that kill our own forward momentum. Lucas is another, too one dimensional, no guile, no special awareness, no first touch, he's just a dynamo.
I like Sissoko for the heart he's shown, but that simply isn't enough. Heart, and nothing else helps to keep you in the division, not win pots and challenge for titles.
Winks is a utility player. For me he's like Mason was, started well and looked promising, but has just turned out to be pretty ordinary.

And that's the rub, too many ordinary players in key creative positions and it affects the quality we do have. Kane isn't a Bale, where he can pick the ball up and turn on a bit of magic to change a game. He's a World class striker who finishes what others create. He can do it himself to a degree, but when the opposition know that if they crowd him out there's no one else that can turn a game, then you get what we're currently seeing. In essence, stifle Kane and you've pulled our attacking teeth.

What really disappointed me was what I feared, and mentioned, after the Everton game. JM questioned their desire after SU and got a response, but it lasted 1 game. There was no desire in this game.

And no, I'm not giving JM a pass here either. He's obviously been working on the defensive stability, although we did ride our luck somewhat today. I understand and have been quite vocal about the need for that, but there really is no excuse for the utter shambles we see going forward, even Lo Celso looked bereft of ideas today because he's looking to do one thing whilst everyone else around him is doing something else. In fact, apart from the defence, every other player on the pitch seemed to be doing the opposite to everyone else when we had the ball. Even the most basic attacking drills would produce a better performance going forward than we're currently seeing.
Having said that, those players shouldn't need attacking drills to pass a ball accurately. Jesus, there was some passing out there that the kids I used to coach would be embarrassed by if they were doing it.

This last bit will make A&C laugh, but I'm in total agreement that this now falls at Levy's door. We've regressed badly and are left with too many ordinary players who simply cannot get the basics right, do not have the requisite quality, nouse or presence to get us where we aspire to be. They're squad fillers in first team roles.
I've never been about huge spending, but with what we've lost, I don't see where we have a choice. The amount of upgrading we actually need, even if we were to only spend say 20 million per player upgrade, we'd still need to outlay 9 figure sums.

Now the depressed rant is over, one small positive I did take from this game was NDombele. He looked more disciplined and willing to work when he came on, he also looked to try to make things happen. Ok they didn't, but you have to expect that when he's been out for so long. I'd be inclined to give him a run of games in the position where he can do most damage, same as we did with Lamela a couple of years ago. He was rusty and it took him about 4 games to get into the swing of things in the middle, but when he did he was the catalyst for our front foot Football, leading the press every time and putting himself in the frame for the first name on the team sheet until injury put the kibosh on that.
I think we need to do the same for NDombele, give him the chance to get up to speed, prove he's up for it and be the catalyst for our attacking creativity. If he doesn't put the work rate in then fair enough, we get our answer on his temperament, but as it stands, we have nothing in the middle that Kane, or any of the other forwards for that matter, can feed off. It might even help Lo Celso by taking much of the creative burden away from him.

We need something to give us some hope for next season.

rupsmith said:

Yes they had chances but we were generally in control. I’m just saying let’s put this game in the context of where we have been over the last 18 months - which is basically dross. Jose comes in mid season and has to work with an exhausted spent team low on confidence and running on fumes. Eriksen goes almost immediately and most of the team is injured. Since the restart we have been scrapping and showing heart and desire. Our creativity is nil. But no one can turn the likes of Lamela into a better player in a few months. 4 / 5 players need to be replaced. Jose is taking us in the right direction.

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Is he heck

How did Lamela finish that game still playing ?
You give him a chance & start him - he produces that horror show. He was the sole reason we lost our rhythm in that game. He made 5 unnecessary fouls just in first half , breaking the passing game & gifting free kicks and playing into Bournemouth hands.

When we were on attack, he held on to the ball more than required and ended up going nowhere and losing the ball.

I am just done with him. I cannot watch him play for the 8th season at Spurs and stink the place out

Jose on the radio: "It's hard against a team who is only playing for a point." Pathetic excuses.

Drink!Drink! said:

Omfg
it’s torture. Horrible, horrible football.

Sure I’ve seen worse Spurs teams over the years, but I have never one so godwful boring to watch

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George Graham with Rebrov team?

Johnny J said:

Jose on the radio: "It's hard against a team who is only playing for a point." Pathetic excuses.

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Is he the Bournemouth manager now?

Ratings...
Lloris 7
Aurier 5
Alderweireld 6
Vertonghen 6
Davies 7
Sissoko 6
Winks 4
Lo celso 5
Bergwijn 6
Lamela 5
Kane 5

Ndombele 8
Son 6

Winks' worst game in the shirt ever I think.

Ionman34 said:

..........there really is no excuse for the utter shambles we see going forward, even Lo Celso looked bereft of ideas today because he's looking to do one thing whilst everyone else around him is doing something else. In fact, apart from the defence, every other player on the pitch seemed to be doing the opposite to everyone else when we had the ball. Even the most basic attacking drills would produce a better performance going forward than we're currently seeing.

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Spot on.

The defensive structure has been coached. There has clearly been no attention at all on what to do when we have the ball. It is a complete shambles.