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Cirkin has sooooo much promise. So impressed by him in that 45 minutes. Loved what I saw from White & Devine too. Very promising stuff from them. I really want Clarke to come good but fear that wasted season cost him so much development. He needs games so badly. A loan he actually plays most of the time is desperately needed
There were a couple of occasions when he should have kicked it with his right foot. I worry about a player - whether right or left footed - who is unwilling or unable to attempt a simple short pass with his weaker foot.
Who is it?
There were a couple of occasions when he should have kicked it with his right foot. I worry about a player - whether right or left footed - who is unwilling or unable to attempt a simple short pass with his weaker foot.
Cirkin is toughHe also showed in that clip that he can play with his right foot when he had to. Preferring one foot and not being able to use your weaker foot are two separate weaknesses, with the first being a lot easier to fix.
The only concern that I have from this brief appearance is cirkins lack of physicality.
In a position where you're often up against physical opponents, he looks like he would get knocked off the ball easily.
It remains to be seen how he can handle shoulder to shoulder challenges from forwards. I am sure the team are looking at this and will work on it with him in the gym.
Wan Bissaka didn't look physical when he was given his PL debut but surprised everyone with his toughness and has since bulked up a fair bit too.He also showed in that clip that he can play with his right foot when he had to. Preferring one foot and not being able to use your weaker foot are two separate weaknesses, with the first being a lot easier to fix.
The only concern that I have from this brief appearance is cirkins lack of physicality.
In a position where you're often up against physical opponents, he looks like he would get knocked off the ball easily.
It remains to be seen how he can handle shoulder to shoulder challenges from forwards. I am sure the team are looking at this and will work on it with him in the gym.
Post of the day!Cirkin looks like if Tom Carroll went into the Captain America machine thingy.
Yeh, Sess is a strange one isn't he. It's not that he isn't good with the ball, but just doesn't have that x-factor that other young players tend to have in abundance. Now, that doesn't mean he can't be effective there, countless examples of wingers who became effective rather than explosive. But, to be that at a top level you need to be very intelligent and very good at the basics. You'd want more from Sess.wonder what the long-term plan for sessegnon is if cirkin is seen as the future at lb. i know he was playing further forward today but whilst he can be effective i've never been convinced that he has enough about him on the ball to make it there at the top level.
Yeh, Sess is a strange one isn't he. It's not that he isn't good with the ball, but just doesn't have that x-factor that other young players tend to have in abundance. Now, that doesn't mean he can't be effective there, countless examples of wingers who became effective rather than explosive. But, to be that at a top level you need to be very intelligent and very good at the basics. You'd want more from Sess.
part of me thinks he could develop into a n10, his movement is very good and, while we haven't really seen it here, he can play an incisive pass, has good close control and all that. I think he got pushed forward too young, because he was too effective in the Championship not too, but he hasn't got that x factor that most wingers who break through young do.
yeah i don't want to dig him out too much but the more i think about how much we invested in sessegnon, the more it bugs me.
i'd be interested to hear where you guys would rank him amongst this lot for example, bear in mind this is only a list of english attacking players aged 21 or under -
sancho
foden
greenwood
mount
saka
edwards
hudson-odoi
nelson
mcneil
all of those bar sancho either came through their respective club's academy or were signed on a free(edwards). sessegnon on the other hand we spent a considerable amount on, i always see people saying he cost 25m but that neglects to mention we also gave onomah away as part of that - who has now become a key part of fulham's side and has grown in value himself.
he does have intelligence and composure on his side, more so than some in that list but as an attacking player with the ball at his feet he doesn't stack up too well imo, which isn't great considering the outlay. he's also not showing the same level of athleticism that made him stand out at youth level either, not that he was all pace and power but it was certainly a part of his game.
The problem is he isn't like most of those players, he's not comparable. But I think that is the issue. At fullham as a wide man he was more efficient than explosive, and that's the thing. If he was a young player from the academy you would think, give it a few years, he plays with a lot of intellegence, but isn't someone you can bring on for his burst of invention or flair. As you say, the fee is not helpful to hos cause.yeah i don't want to dig him out too much but the more i think about how much we invested in sessegnon, the more it bugs me.
i'd be interested to hear where you guys would rank him amongst this lot for example, bear in mind this is only a list of english attacking players aged 21 or under -
sancho
foden
greenwood
mount
saka
edwards
hudson-odoi
nelson
mcneil
all of those bar sancho either came through their respective club's academy or were signed on a free(edwards). sessegnon on the other hand we spent a considerable amount on, i always see people saying he cost 25m but that neglects to mention we also gave onomah away as part of that - who has now become a key part of fulham's side and has grown in value himself.
he does have intelligence and composure on his side, more so than some in that list but as an attacking player with the ball at his feet he doesn't stack up too well imo, which isn't great considering the outlay. he's also not showing the same level of athleticism that made him stand out at youth level either, not that he was all pace and power but it was certainly a part of his game.
I think Sessegnon suffers from not being flashy.
Despite not appearing to excel at anything in particular, he managed to score 15 goals as a 17yr old in the Championship.
To put that into perspective, Mount as a 20yr old scored 11 for Derby.
Edwards managed 7 goals in a mediocre Portuguese league.
Hudson-Odoi has 1 premier league goal.
McNeill scored 2 and assisted 6 this season, pretty much the same Sessegnon managed in the season he supposedly flopped when Fulham got relegated.
Saka and Nelson have 1 EPL goal each to their name.
Foden, Sancho and Greenwood are special talents and are a class above Sessegnon but the others all still have a lot to prove still, just like Sess.
Personally I think he will develop into a top class left back but it may take a couple of seasons. (Cirkin may make it a bit harder for him though)
The problem is he isn't like most of those players, he's not comparable. But I think that is the issue. At fullham as a wide man he was more efficient than explosive, and that's the thing. If he was a young player from the academy you would think, give it a few years, he plays with a lot of intellegence, but isn't someone you can bring on for his burst of invention or flair. As you say, the fee is not helpful to hos cause.
The athleticism really came from left back, where he had space to run into. As a winger he has always been a much subtle player whenever I've watched. A subtle player with great production though. We will see where his future lies. he is talented but a different kind of talent.
On Onamah, what was his value then? 8m maybe? Probs less. You can't judge how he's developed, firstly because it's way to early to tell and he wasn't going to develop here. It's worth pointing out that Sess was on a different level than what Onomah showed at the back end of last season.