Loan Watch Joe Rodon -Leeds United

Seafordian Spurs · Oct 19, 2020

chrissivad said:
Are we winning trophy's with a defence that can't stop leaking goals?

And until we play him, his last game will always be a game in the championship.
If the club see him as a better option than Sanchez or Toby then o see no reason not to throw him in.

I can't think of any other PL game King or Tanganga had before being thrown in against Liverpool.

Sure.

My point is he certainly IS going to be thrown in at the deep end here. No Europa games, a League Cup we're in the quarter finals for...

The expectation will be high because we're desperate and that brings more pressure. In his position, the best players aren't 23. They've had luxury/reality of time.

Tanganga was good against Liverpool that time but we lost and he was error prone (understandably) in his next couple of games.

BringBack_leGin · Oct 19, 2020

No idea if Rodon is the answer but we’ve signed him for a reason and I doubt he’s come here to just fill out numbers. Age shouldn’t be prohibitive, King and Judas were both amongst the best in the world in their position by his age, John Terry too. Nesta had been first choice for Lazio for four years already, and Italy for two. We’ve not had an aerially domineering centre back since Vertonghen declined, and that seems to be this players MO, so let’s not start making assumptions about him not being ready or the answer before he’s even locked a ball for us. He’s only 5 months younger than Joe Gomez who’s been starting for Liverpool for over three seasons.

Hakkz · Oct 19, 2020

Seafordian Spurs said:
Sure.

My point is he certainly IS going to be thrown in at the deep end here. No Europa games, a League Cup we're in the quarter finals for...

The expectation will be high because we're desperate and that brings more pressure. In his position, the best players aren't 23. They've had luxury/reality of time.

Tanganga was good against Liverpool that time but we lost and he was error prone (understandably) in his next couple of games.

You're right. We should wait to play him until the last couple of games of the season when we have already missed out on all chances of a trophy because we keep leaking goals from set pieces. That will make it more comfortable for him.

Seafordian Spurs · Oct 19, 2020

Hakkz said:
You're right. We should wait to play him until the last couple of games of the season when we have already missed out on all chances of a trophy because we keep leaking goals from set pieces. That will make it more comfortable for him.

OK, Brains!

wrd · Oct 19, 2020

He has a great chance simply because all our other options look very uncomfortable on that left side. Dier to an extent is okay there but he would probably benefit from playing on his more favoured right side.

Tucker · Oct 19, 2020

spursfan77 said:
Will walk into this team if he’s any good at all.

God help him if he ever makes a mistake.

Seafordian Spurs · Oct 19, 2020

Tucker said:
God help him if he ever makes a mistake.

Oh don't worry about that. People on Spurscommunity are quite open minded, patient and sanguine types. We'll find someone else to scapegoat in no time.

ILS · Oct 19, 2020

Tucker said:
God help him if he ever makes a mistake.

Blame Jenas!

SamR · Oct 19, 2020

He has to be buzzing right now. Could easily become first choice by Xmas if he puts in some solid performances.

It pains me to criticise our players, but Sanchez isn't good enough for a team aspiring to win trophies. Not as a starter and he wouldn't make my bench either. A shame but i honestly don't think he has improved much since he joined.

Mark_147 · Oct 19, 2020

SamR said:
He has to be buzzing right now. Could easily become first choice by Xmas if he puts in some solid performances.

It pains me to criticise our players, but Sanchez isn't good enough for a team aspiring to win trophies. Not as a starter and he wouldn't make my bench either. A shame but i honestly don't think he has improved much since he joined.

Mourinho was happy with his performance yesterday so that's good enough for me.

tiger666 · Oct 19, 2020

Mark_147 said:
Mourinho was happy with his performance yesterday so that's good enough for me.

I don't think we should always take what managers say to the press as gospel. What they say in private to the players may be completely different.

razzmaster · Oct 19, 2020

SamR said:
He has to be buzzing right now. Could easily become first choice by Xmas if he puts in some solid performances.

It pains me to criticise our players, but Sanchez isn't good enough for a team aspiring to win trophies. Not as a starter and he wouldn't make my bench either. A shame but i honestly don't think he has improved much since he joined.

For me Sanchez is a good player but not in the system Jose plays. His main asset is pace and this is negated when you defend deep. Someone like Rodon is much more suited imo.

Pretty sure there would be a lot of interest in him if we decided to sell and he would command a decent fee.

Could see him doing well in Italy or Spain.

Japhet · Oct 19, 2020

razzmaster said:
For me Sanchez is a good player but not in the system Jose plays. His main asset is pace and this is negated when you defend deep. Someone like Rodon is much more suited imo.

Pretty sure there would be a lot of interest in him if we decided to sell and he would command a decent fee.

Could see him doing well in Italy or Spain.

I'd be interested in a Sanchez/Skriniar swap of some sort since I think they'd both be a good fit for the respective systems of each team.

ILS · Oct 19, 2020

agrdavidsfan said:
Honestly if he was on the pitch, we don’t concede the balbuena goal and we also don’t concede the Sanchez one

How don't we concede the Balbuena goal as he was being marked by a centre midfielder?

Rodon would have been picking up Soucek or Ogbonna. Can one defender being good in the air make a difference of course, but it is not going to eradicate a goal that had sod all to do with the centre backs.

Mark_147 · Oct 19, 2020

tiger666 said:
I don't think we should always take what manager's say to the press as gospel. What they say in private to the players may be completely different.

I beg to differ because he was asked what he thought went wrong in terms of the late goals and without being prompted about Sanchez he made a point of praising Sanchez performance and went on to say all the goals we are conceding are from set pieces and not open play. So the issue for mourinho is the concentration of the team as a whole over 90 minutes and to stop switching of from set pieces which Sanchez was not responsible for against West ham.

DEFchenkOE · Oct 19, 2020

Sorry if discussed but he can't play in the EL can he?

Japhet · Oct 19, 2020

Mark_147 said:
I beg to differ because he was asked what he thought went wrong in terms of the late goals and without being prompted about Sanchez he made a point of praising Sanchez performance and went on to say all the goals we are conceding are from set pieces and not open play. So the issue for mourinho is the concentration of the team as a whole over 90 minutes and to stop switching of from set pieces which Sanchez was not responsible for against West ham.

He was doing what he's always done. The media try to goad a response out of him where he publicly criticises a player. He won't do it in front of the cameras apart from the odd occasion where he thinks it could be beneficial.

spursfan77 · Oct 19, 2020

Tucker said:
God help him if he ever makes a mistake.

Well, one mistake is fine. Or several mistakes is tolerable. But when it’s the same ones time after time, game after game then sometimes you have to say enough is enough. Our defenders are in that habit.

Mark_147 · Oct 19, 2020

Japhet said:
He was doing what he's always done. The media try to goad a response out of him where he publicly criticises a player. He won't do it in front of the cameras apart from the odd occasion where he thinks it could be beneficial.

The media did not mention Sanchez name he made a point himself of praising Sanchez performance.

ILS · Oct 19, 2020

Mark_147 said:
I beg to differ because he was asked what he thought went wrong in terms of the late goals and without being prompted about Sanchez he made a point of praising Sanchez performance and went on to say all the goals we are conceding are from set pieces and not open play. So the issue for mourinho is the concentration of the team as a whole over 90 minutes and to stop switching of from set pieces which Sanchez was not responsible for against West ham.

First of Sanchez body shape was wrong for the own goal, however if anyone on this board doesn't realise that playing right centre back to left centre back is playing a different position then they clearly know sod all about football.

Defending is all about having the correct body shape, it also includes which foot you lead with and how confident you are on receiving the ball in a specific area of the pitch. Even the best like John Terry was never comfortable playing on the right side instead of the left as your body and mindset becomes accustomed to playing in certain way. I actually asked my best friend about this as he played over 100 games in the conference and always played right side centre back. There was occasions he was asked to play left and he just kept saying to me that he felt like he was playing in a complete different position.

This is why it is crucial that whoever plays left centre back is comfortable there and has the ability to play of their left side not just from a passing point of view but also whilst cutting out crosses in to the box.

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