Jose Mourinho

muppetman · Feb 1, 2021

Trix said:
You can't compare the teams like that. Juve, Barca Madrid, and Bayern don't have to contend with teams that can outspend them window after window. Most successful teams in their respective leagues yes. I get the comparison. As far as strength of financial dominance no.

That's fair. For me it was more about expectations and therefore what is classified as success. This is particularly key when you consider where Jose has had most success - Chelsea, Real Madrid, ManU are very different profiles to that at Spurs.

Rosco1984 · Feb 1, 2021

Why does he keep conceding the midfield to far lesser teams its infuriating. Constantly outmanned in midfield robbing us of possession and control. We started the season 4-3-3 and kept it all the way to the top of the league. As soon as we came off the top we haven't seen it since and we've been abysmal. What the fuck is he doing!!! Go back to 4-3-3 it gives us the flexibility to control games when we can or play on the break when we cant. Playing 2 in midfield and 5 at the back we look awful and lets not talk about the diamond that cost poch his job as well ( I am sure I have never seen spurs win a game using that formation). Why did we throw the baby out with the bathwater after the Anfield game we have nose dived since and surely Jose must realise this what is wrong with the man is he trying to get sacked so he can get another nice payout and sit in the comfortable sky studio again.

glacierSpurs · Feb 1, 2021

yido_number1 said:
We have a third of those goals from Southampton and utd away. The majority are purely magic from kane and son. Take away either especially Kane and tonight is what you get.

yido_number1 said:
Check out every other clubs expected goals. We have way over achieved on that front. I'm not a massive JM out but we have no attacking plan other than Kane to Son. Can you honestly say we have a plan when we go forward. Especially tonight but in most games.

Not meant a directing at you personally, but 'overachieve' seems to be thrown around so disrespectfully here. I meant disrespectful is because it is almost crediting just the work of one person alone when he done more than what he is meant/expected to.

Poch was often said to 'overachieve' with the squad. I always feel the players he had with him in the beginnig of his tenure are amongst the best they could be, their prime. Poch definitely achieved remarkably, but 'overachieve' is an overstatement IMHO.

Then now the Kane-Son debate is being thrown in, again, thinking we 'overachieve' in the goal scoring department if not for them. But why is poor tactics attributed to Mourinho but goal scoring opportunities are not? Was it not the defensive/negative/passive shape 'instructed' by Mourinho a cause for allowing more spaces for Son to run on and latch onto those passes from Kane, who was seemingly 'instructed' by Mourinho to drop deeper to make those passes?

If only things are so simple that we can only have Poch to thank for, only have Kane and Son to thank for - but no. Really no one overachieves or underachieves. It is always either a collective effort or collective failure. Even now, the players are such a disgrace they shouldn't be shunt away from responsibility for the poor form we are having. The dislike for Mourinho is massive here, I know, but to say he is over 90%, for some is 150%, responsible for the shit we are in is just ridiculous. The players have a professionalism to uphold but I seriously don't see much from most of them.

dudu · Feb 1, 2021

the yid said:
Gio was our best player last season Jose didn't want Gio gone. Ndombele I think they both wanted him to leave. As far as players in you cannot look at the summer middle of a pandemic and tell me we didn't back Jose with incoming signings.

Im not sure the scale you're using to rate our players but im not sure how a player that started less than half our prem games and managed 2 assists was our best player?

Our MF purchases over Pochs last window were terrible, not what we needed, too expensive, injury-prone and subsequently nigh on impossible to sell.

Trix · Feb 1, 2021

teenageYIDDO said:
I agree, and also Dele seems best mates with half the squad.. imagine what it's like when your mate is being treated like that. Defo reduces morale

It's a huge factor. Why do you think Sissokko was kept around in the Summer. Don't get me wrong his workrate is immense and you always know you'll get 100% out of him, but he hasn't kept his place on that alone imo.

Wsussexspur · Feb 1, 2021

IF it came to it and Jose was sacked before the end of the season then I really wouldn’t be too surprised to see Chris Powell given the job till the end of season.

WannaDanceWithUdogie · Feb 1, 2021

Trix said:
It's a huge factor. Why do you think Sissokko was kept around in the Summer. Don't get me wrong his workrate is immense and you always know you'll get 100% out of him, but he hasn't kept his place on that alone imo.

Even in the documentary, when Sacramento says "They say Sissoko is a very big influence in the dressing room" Jose goes "Fucking hell"

wizgell · Feb 1, 2021

Wsussexspur said:
IF it came to it and Jose was sacked before the end of the season then I really wouldn’t be too surprised to see Chris Powell given the job till the end of season.

I've said the same. The league season is practically done, the only thing keeping him on is the cup competitions. Right it off.
Let Powell, Ledley and Mason take it on til the end of the season, they will at least let the players play.

Just fed up with it now and want to be put out of my misery.

Rosco1984 · Feb 1, 2021

glacierSpurs said:
Not meant a directing at you personally, but 'overachieve' seems to be thrown around so disrespectfully here. I meant disrespectful is because it is almost crediting just the work of one person alone when he done more than what he is meant/expected to.

Poch was often said to 'overachieve' with the squad. I always feel the players he had with him in the beginnig of his tenure are amongst the best they could be, their prime. Poch definitely achieved remarkably, but 'overachieve' is an overstatement IMHO.

Then now the Kane-Son debate is being thrown in, again, thinking we 'overachieve' in the goal scoring department if not for them. But why is poor tactics attributed to Mourinho but goal scoring opportunities are not? Was it not the defensive/negative/passive shape 'instructed' by Mourinho a cause for allowing more spaces for Son to run on and latch onto those passes from Kane, who was seemingly 'instructed' by Mourinho to drop deeper to make those passes?

If only things are so simple that we can only have Poch to thank for, only have Kane and Son to thank for - but no. Really no one overachieves or underachieves. It is always either a collective effort or collective failure. Even now, the players are such a disgrace they shouldn't be shunt away from responsibility for the poor form we are having. The dislike for Mourinho is massive here, I know, but to say he is over 90%, for some is 150%, responsible for the shit we are in is just ridiculous. The players have a professionalism to uphold but I seriously don't see much from most of them.

17th Highest net spend and 7th Highest wages (100m less than Liverpool on wages per season) Poch definitely overachieved. Our obsession with trophies is unhealthy when there are only 4 a season and we rank around 10th in our league overall in terms of squad finances we cant demand to win anything. The clubs aims if we keep that level of spend need to be to entertain the fans and be stable in the top 6. Hiring a manager just to win a trophy at the expense of the fans is mad unless we are going to match the spending of those who can expect trophies.

Deleted member 27995 · Feb 1, 2021

wizgell said:
I've said the same. The league season is practically done, the only thing keeping him on is the cup competitions. Right it off.
Let Powell, Ledley and Mason take it on til the end of the season, they will at least let the players play.

Just fed up with it now and want to be put out of my misery.

Misery won't stop once they do what you want. It's fine not to want him to be at the helm of this any more, expecting it to be any better after he's gone with the state of the playing squad and the ramifications it has is just burying heads in sand.

Mourinho's sacking will appease fans short term until they then see what happens after his failure is cut short. Opens up pandoras box for me. I'm not looking forward to any of this.

felmani26 · Feb 1, 2021

Gassin's finest said:
I hate to say it, but were aren't on the same level as the likes of the Manchester's, Liverpool or even Leicester this season.

The same Man Utd that got turned over by Sheffield Utd at home?

The same Leicester who seemingly cannot adapt without Vardy?

It always strikes me this curious notion of having inferiority complex to other teams whereas the reality is they are dealing with issues themselves which fans aren't happy with or expecting more from their team.

Everything is so short termism within the realms of football and sometimes you need to take a step back to see exactly where we are and it's really not that bad or it certainly could be a damn sight worse!

King of Otters · Feb 1, 2021

Trix said:
Unfortunately yes.

Player power rules!!!

Is this ITK that things are ‘happening’?

glacierSpurs · Feb 1, 2021

Shadydan said:
I think some of these players are average but I'm convinced that a better coach gets more out of them.

Agree, but I really think they need new pasture green as much as us needing it. They are just stagnating here within a club, no matter who is coaching them. The CL final failure will forever cast a shadow on those involved, on their ability and belief that they probably will never reach something so monumental and winning when things get tough. A new reset is badly needed, a new generation. And I think is time to say, when that time arrives, a new project.

SuperPav10 · Feb 1, 2021

teenageYIDDO said:
I agree, and also Dele seems best mates with half the squad.. imagine what it's like when your mate is being treated like that. Defo reduces morale

On the flip, imagine what it's like when the team is struggling and your 'best mate' isn't willing to run 10 yards to help you defend or work hard for the team? It works both ways. The gaffer can't demand the world from people like Bergwijn and Son but then be seen to let Dele off the hook 'because it's Dele' or because you're afraud he'll throw a strop. I mean, he's hardly prime Ronaldo.

José showed with Ndom and Gio that he's happy to be proved wrong, so I can only see that it's down to Dele?

onthetwo · Feb 1, 2021

dontcallme said:
The things is that we clearly do have quality in the squad. Not as much as we'd like maybe but Kane and Son would get in almost every team in world football.

You can have a very good team without having every player being world class.

I remember when Arnesen put a team together very quickly on a budget and helped turn us from lower mid table to 5th best in the league within 2 seasons.

Redknapp took over an uneven team and after buying a midfield destroyer and a striker suddenly our quality players improved and we improved immediately.

I am not convinced by our full backs and struggle to understand why we have bought wing backs instead of defenders when we show nit ho signs of playing a back 3.

Hojbjerg and Ndombele can be top quality. One sensible signing makes our midfield functional.

I just don't see where the team building is or what we're aiming for.

The strategy seems to be to win something in the hope that it gives the team 'belief.'

felmani26 · Feb 1, 2021

And let's be honest, a lot of fans absolutely fucking revel in us performing badly and cannot wait, frothing at the mouth, to talk about a new regime and/or take pop shots at the board so perhaps rather than the club's mentality needs to change, i'd suggest it's those particular fans mindsets.

14/04/91 · Feb 1, 2021

Rosco1984 said:
Why does he keep conceding the midfield to far lesser teams its infuriating. Constantly outmanned in midfield robbing us of possession and control. We started the season 4-3-3 and kept it all the way to the top of the league. As soon as we came off the top we haven't seen it since and we've been abysmal. What the fuck is he doing!!! Go back to 4-3-3 it gives us the flexibility to control games when we can or play on the break when we cant. Playing 2 in midfield and 5 at the back we look awful and lets not talk about the diamond that cost poch his job as well ( I am sure I have never seen spurs win a game using that formation). Why did we throw the baby out with the bathwater after the Anfield game we have nose dived since and surely Jose must realise this what is wrong with the man is he trying to get sacked so he can get another nice payout and sit in the comfortable sky studio again.

And switching to wing-backs just as the only left-sided player capable of playing that role is injured?!

thebenjamin · Feb 1, 2021

SuperPav10 said:
On the flip, imagine what it's like when the team is struggling and your 'best mate' isn't willing to run 10 yards to help you defend or work hard for the team? It works both ways. The gaffer can't demand the world from people like Bergwijn and Son but then be seen to let Dele off the hook 'because it's Dele' or because you're afraud he'll throw a strop. I mean, he's hardly prime Ronaldo.

José showed with Ndom and Gio that he's happy to be proved wrong, so I can only see that it's down to Dele?

I find this a bit weird with dele that the narrative is that he's been ostracised because he was lazy. Careless in possession yes, but I never got the feeling watching him that he wasn't trying. No more than anyone else, anyway.

Dougal · Feb 1, 2021

Hopefully he'll hold on to the job as I've just released my latest birthday card design.

But if not at least one of us has a plan B.

yido_number1 · Feb 1, 2021

glacierSpurs said:
Not meant a directing at you personally, but 'overachieve' seems to be thrown around so disrespectfully here. I meant disrespectful is because it is almost crediting just the work of one person alone when he done more than what he is meant/expected to.

Poch was often said to 'overachieve' with the squad. I always feel the players he had with him in the beginnig of his tenure are amongst the best they could be, their prime. Poch definitely achieved remarkably, but 'overachieve' is an overstatement IMHO.

Then now the Kane-Son debate is being thrown in, again, thinking we 'overachieve' in the goal scoring department if not for them. But why is poor tactics attributed to Mourinho but goal scoring opportunities are not? Was it not the defensive/negative/passive shape 'instructed' by Mourinho a cause for allowing more spaces for Son to run on and latch onto those passes from Kane, who was seemingly 'instructed' by Mourinho to drop deeper to make those passes?

If only things are so simple that we can only have Poch to thank for, only have Kane and Son to thank for - but no. Really no one overachieves or underachieves. It is always either a collective effort or collective failure. Even now, the players are such a disgrace they shouldn't be shunt away from responsibility for the poor form we are having. The dislike for Mourinho is massive here, I know, but to say he is over 90%, for some is 150%, responsible for the shit we are in is just ridiculous. The players have a professionalism to uphold but I seriously don't see much from most of them.

I actually quite like Mourinho the man its just the football right now is not good. We don't look like a team that is coached going forward. Everyone unanimously said the same about AVB that Bale papered over the cracks and this is the same for this team. We need to be coached better in attacking play as we have no ideas right now. Are attacking road map is literally get it to Kane and hope he can find Son.

As others have said above we are over relying on Kane and Son and need attacking play that allows or creates for others to be involved and score. We can't rely on Son and Kane scoring worldies every week to win or you end up as we are now with 2 wins from 8 games.

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