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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

walworthyid

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Impspur1 said:
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Really? We're not bigger than any manager, player or owner?

Our club was here before all of us and will be here long after we are all in the ground.

We cannot bend ourselves over giving assurances to managers who can't assure us that the shit he is serving up every week actually has some sort of point!
 
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Danny1 said:
So what happens in this scenario.
Lose to Palace, Arsenal and the two City games in our next 5.

Would that be time up for Antonio?
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I don’t think he would get to the first City game in that scenario.
Lose the 2 London derbies he is toast, lose badly and play badly against Palace I think he is gone.
Levy’s MO is to take flak off himself, last time we turned on him like today Nuno was gone, I would not be entirely surprised if today was Conte’s last game.
And if he is to go, and I want him gone, I hope next move is Lewis family removing Levy
 
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Might be wishful thinking on my part, but surely Poch doesn't come back unless he's given some sort of assurances on transfers. He loves the club, but he's not going to want to fail again, and knows that lack of investment at the right moments is what killed him last time around.

I can't see Conte staying beyond the season as I just cannot imagine us spending the money needed to turn this team into contenders. Which does then raise the question of why we hired him to begin with. He's always worked in the same way, so it can't have taken us by surprise.

That said, we've got bigger more fundamental issues to deal with too. Our recruitment is still a mess - a few hits, but someone still signed off on the likes of Gil and Emerson. Spence obviously wasn't wanted by Conte. Does any other club work in this way?

I don't even know what I want to happen. I just want to enjoy watching Tottenham again. It's been a minute.
 
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Albertbarich said:
You have been ranting about him and come at me with another nonsense post about today when as I've said and many others have pointed out it isn't about today.

We all have bad results , city drew at home to the normally awful Everton, should Pep go? So if you want to reduce the debate to a bad run of form then crack on I'll have you on ignore and you can carry on Insulting a manager who won the title at his last three clubs but somehow he isn't good enough to take over at a club that last had Nuno as it's manager.

For the record and I've said this before I think he is finished/ completely done. The players know it and it's showing. But the important thing here is to try and make sure we're not here again in 18 months which from previous history I'm almost certain we will be
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If that’s what you’re taking from anything I’ve said, then you’re better off just ignoring as you’ve clearly missed the point
 
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rossdapep said:
I'd rather go with Gallardo then back to Poch.

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I would be intrigued by Gallardo, heard some great things.

Think we all know Poch will be the man should Conte go though. I am not against Poch at all but as others have said, it will get Levy off the hook again which is not what is needed.
 
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thebenjamin said:
Poch coming back would presumably mean the end of Paratici, as Poch won't work under someone like that. So Levy will be back to his rightful position of de facto dof
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this would be hell. "Clinton N'jie post sex tape value is way down, we should sign him"
 
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chrisd2k said:
Energy... Lol. The manager is doing a good job and created said energy himself
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Conte created loads of energy - he got us top 4 with a squad that was in relegation form under Nuno.

It helps if you match your managers energy by spending 200M on players like Botman, Guimaraes, Trippier and Isak, who instantly improve their team

And that's the critical thing - spending money to IMPROVE the team and squad.

Spence may have potential, and "may be better" than similar-aged Emerson, but does he actually dramatically improve the squad or team?

Will he hit the ground running and slot straight into the PL as an automatic starter? Absolutely not. Not like any of the players the toon signed, not like the players the gooners, or chelsea or City or United have been buying.

That's the point Conte is making.

We keep spending money on players who help us tread water, and occasionally can be coached to outperform.

But in a market where high class talent like Mudryk costs 50M+, you have to face market reality. Instead we operate like buying 2 or 3 10 - 20M players will be fine because 1 in 3 "works out", even if they don't dramatically improve the team.

We can't expect to win trophies if that continues to be our approach. We can't expect to keep a coach of the caliber of Conte.

We should expect to have a coach like Nuno, or a gamble like Poch, who may or may not work out, but won't ever be backed if he does.

No thanks. Not any more.
 
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I still think that whilst the system isn't perfect, there is a lot to be said about specific players for the system. Lets focus on two examples; Son and Romero.

Now from what I can tell, last season Son was playing wider and higher with Sessegnon and Reguilon being far more conservative with their starting positions. This year he's being expected to spend most of his time playing intricate triangles and working in congested area's. There is no rotation with Perisic like we get on the other flank with Doherty and Kulusevski. In short he is a square peg in a round hole.

Romero today in possession, demonstrates why good defenders are everything to our build up. He gets pressured and he finds a pass, sometimes passes that no one else can see and he breaks an opponents press doing so. It's why I can't cope with seeing our defence without him, not because the others can't defend, but because they all panic when pressed to some degree or another.

I think there are also quite a few players in the side that either cannot identify when they need to change their position on the pitch and do not have the balls to do anything more than play safe. This is part of the "mentality" debate and why it takes us conceding a goal to force our players to start playing positively.
 
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Yeah have to add, what if Poch (I'm sure he'd be sounded out) doesn't want to work with a DoF like Paratici and wants assurances himself?

I still think Conte will stay through January. That might not be what's best for the club but we shall see.

Grass isn't always greener and a lot of people wanted Poch gone at the end, some of these players are the same ones that quit now for Poch, Jose, Nuno, now Conte, then Poch again ?
 
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S17PUR said:
Might be wishful thinking on my part, but surely Poch doesn't come back unless he's given some sort of assurances on transfers. He loves the club, but he's not going to want to fail again, and knows that lack of investment at the right moments is what killed him last time around.
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Every manager we have brought in barring nuno has been given "assurances" on signings. Levy lies about it. will tell them what they want to hear and then once pen is to paper he just renegs everything
 
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rossdapep said:
I'd rather go with Gallardo then back to Poch.

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Yeah me too. If we end up with a new manager, Poch would be close to the bottom of my list. De Zerbi, Gallardo, Luis Enrique, Roger Schmidt, Tedesco, Franck Haise if we want to continue 3ATB; I’d take them all before Poch.
 
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Whoever the manager is anyone with a sprinkling of football knowledge can see we desperately need a new RWB and CB. Anyone with a sprinkling of knowledge can see we’re awful without Kulu so need a creative player to play when he doesn’t. This isn’t just about backing Conte this is about building a good team. I highly doubt a new attacking style manager would be crying about us signing Porro, Skriniar and Maddison this window for example and wishing they got their own targets. Not that in a million years that would happen but this is what needs to occur to keep pace now.
 
Impspur1

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walworthyid said:
Really? We're not bigger than any manager, player or owner?

Our club was here before all of us and will be here long after we are all in the ground.

We cannot bend ourselves over giving assurances to managers who can't assure us that the shit he is serving up every week actually has some sort of point!
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What I meant was that we all wanted a world class manager, we have one who has more trophies than most. If we won’t back him we don’t deserve him.
If you are a manager of any kind of world class repute, why would you come here after seeing the type we always revert too. We have one and refuse to take the next step
 
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Yeah if Conte ends up leaving, Poch would be the worst option. It would be an epitome of failure to learn anything. Wouldn’t be surprised if Levy rehired fucking Hitchen too.
 
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I've been supremely patient with ENIC and Levy for 20 years, but I've finally had it.

Conte is right.

Our squad is disjointed and not up to it, and many of our fans have false expectations because we had a good run in one competition last season playing one game a week with no injuries.

We got left behind in the summer, and failed to prepare a squad able to handle the demands of this season. 3 windows under Conte and we FAILED to sign a starting RWB, decent ball playing CBs, and a passing midfielder.

Most of our very best XI wouldn't get in any other Top 6 team. Throw in any injuries and we're terrible.

I tell you now Levy's people will be monitoring social media tonight and rubbing their hands - knowing they've got away with it again.

The fans love the soap opera, and will blame the manager. Poch, Mourinho, whoever that other Jorge Mendes cast off was, and now Conte.

Who next? Which paragon of virtue is going to turn Dier, Sanchez, Davies, Doherty, Emerson, Sessegnon, Hojbjerg, and Moura into the world beaters they've never been before?

We're allowing Levy to follow his modus operandi which is to meddle and hang onto players so long that our squad becomes bloated so we can't rebuild, the team fails, replace the manger again, rinse and repeat.

"Winks was worth £40min 2016! Let's send him on loan again! Oh we can't buy a CM we've got too many on loan!" Same rubbish with Wanyama. Same with Sanchez. On and on.

We sold a £50m Right Back and replaced him with several £20m right backs, one we paid to leave for nothing. We've now spent £65m on Right Backs over 5 years and only made the position weaker. Ridiculous. We'll now pass on Porro because we can't shift Emerson. You watch.

What Levy has done to this team since the peak Poch team with his meddling is criminal.

He's a paper billionaire with most of his net worth tied up in the clubs shares, and acts accordingly. The moment we get anywhere he'll take it as a cue to meddle and put his foot on the brakes, rather than cut losses on dead wood so we can push forwards.

The opportunity cost now to the club in missing out on a generation of new fans, and all the exposure and commercial revenue that comes with it is astronomical.

He built us a nice space ship Westfield, but he isn't competent at the job that needs doing now. If Levy worked for Levy he'd have sacked him long ago.

You can change the manager 100 times, it won't matter. We'll never get anywhere with him in charge.

Conte will go and win trophies with a serious football club, and we'll be a mid table investment vehicle.
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Brilliant post!!

Just to touch on your point about Winks.

That's an academy player who we should have been happy to take 5 or 10m on, because that 5 or 10m could have helped us stretch out to sign, for example, Zaniolo instead of downgrading or doing without.

Seen as we always seem to be 10m off our main targets, then this is how you get it done.

But typical Levy always overvalues players instead of just getting rid.

Arsenal have practically written off millions in regards to players like Mustafi, Pepe, Aubameyang etc but they did it so they could get players Arteta wanted in.

It's now proven to be fruitful for them and they now only really have Pepe as an unwanted burden on their books.

We are STILL trying to offload players like Winks who have been accepted as losses for fucking ages.
 
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