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Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte
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journeyman
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I’m not in the ‘Conte out’ camp at all but he is feeding us a serious level of bullshit & deflection in the press conference today:
- “I’m not disappointed because the performance was a good performance.”
- “The situation is clear and I think you can see our situation from the start of the season.”
- “Because if you ask me about the central defenders, they played a good game, the two midfielders played a good game, the wing-backs played a good game.”
- “But I repeat I wasn't angry with the players because I think we gave everything today. All the players.”
And then he proceeds to talk about why we’re not ready to challenge for the league…. BUT THAT’S NOT THE FUCKING QUESTION? The questions are:
- how did we get schooled by a Villa side where the manager’s only had 6 weeks to shape a cheaper side than ours?
- how has our confidence been so fickle this season?
- why do we start every game so badly, even against Bournemouth, Sporting Lisbon, Nottingham Forest.
- how are we failing to pick up more points against the likes of Villa, Brentford, Newcastle, West Ham, never mind the utterly gutless performances against Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea etc?
- how do we get back to where we were in last season’s run in? What have we lost since then and how do we get it back?
None of us think we’re in the title hunt. But we want answers to how and when your coaching will deliver better performances & results.
- “I’m not disappointed because the performance was a good performance.”
- “The situation is clear and I think you can see our situation from the start of the season.”
- “Because if you ask me about the central defenders, they played a good game, the two midfielders played a good game, the wing-backs played a good game.”
- “But I repeat I wasn't angry with the players because I think we gave everything today. All the players.”
And then he proceeds to talk about why we’re not ready to challenge for the league…. BUT THAT’S NOT THE FUCKING QUESTION? The questions are:
- how did we get schooled by a Villa side where the manager’s only had 6 weeks to shape a cheaper side than ours?
- how has our confidence been so fickle this season?
- why do we start every game so badly, even against Bournemouth, Sporting Lisbon, Nottingham Forest.
- how are we failing to pick up more points against the likes of Villa, Brentford, Newcastle, West Ham, never mind the utterly gutless performances against Arsenal, Man U, Chelsea etc?
- how do we get back to where we were in last season’s run in? What have we lost since then and how do we get it back?
None of us think we’re in the title hunt. But we want answers to how and when your coaching will deliver better performances & results.
After our best ever start to a Premier League season as well - 23 points from our first 10 games and we've only added 7 points in the 6 games since then.
Adam456
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It's not £300 though is it. In your analogy if your Ferrari cost, say, £200k then the tank costs £1-2m a year to fill
And in your analogy even though your tank costs a lot of money to fill you still expect a great car when 3/4 full !
parklane yid
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Our ceiling under ENIC is anywhere finishing between 3rd place and 8th place.
this will fluctuate depending on the other top 6 sides in the league.
I would rather enjoy the football we play rather than keep being served up this style of play.
Poch won’t take us any further than conte or any manager whilst ENIC is in charge but at least I’ll enjoy brave attacking high intensity football.
this will fluctuate depending on the other top 6 sides in the league.
I would rather enjoy the football we play rather than keep being served up this style of play.
Poch won’t take us any further than conte or any manager whilst ENIC is in charge but at least I’ll enjoy brave attacking high intensity football.
Impspur1
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Not with these players though
St José Dominguez
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Not to defend the rubbish football we’re playing but that literally is Contes style of football. He plays defensive counter attack football, this isn’t and shouldn’t be a surprise. Difference is at other clubs he’s had much better players to play this style of play which leads to more clean sheets, winning games and a much less pissed off fan base. If you wanted flair, attacking, high press, heavy metal football you should’ve been fuming the minute Conte was appointed. He shouldn’t change his philosophy which has led to him winning league titles. If anything we shouldn’t have ever appointed him or Jose, not backing these guys is one thing but you gotta be really dumb if you didn’t realise there’d be no patience with this boring football whilst we try and stumble our way in the transfer market into a suitable side.
King of the Lane
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You mean as long as Poch doesnt force a poor formation on our players that they hate (diamond midfield) and doesnt have us playing like he did in the last year he had with us which was also the drizzling shits.
First few years of Poch's style I would welcome back though.
journeyman
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ENIC has bought or otherwise got Conte the following players he wanted in the last two windows:
Kulusevski
Bentancur
Richarlison
Perisic
Bissouma
Lenglet
…. on top of players he obviously rates like:
Kane
Son
Hojbjerg
Romero
Lloris
Dier
It’s definitely not enough for a shot at the title. But it’s not fuck all either. It’s enough certainly to be performing at a higher level than we have this season.
Kulusevski
Bentancur
Richarlison
Perisic
Bissouma
Lenglet
…. on top of players he obviously rates like:
Kane
Son
Hojbjerg
Romero
Lloris
Dier
It’s definitely not enough for a shot at the title. But it’s not fuck all either. It’s enough certainly to be performing at a higher level than we have this season.
PeeEyeEmPee
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And this is the problem. You adapt to the challenge at hand. We're not Juventus, Inter or Chelsea. If your preferred approach only works with the best players in the league, then you either don't take on a job with the 4th-6th best set of players, or you modify your approach.
BPR_U16
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Said it before but will say again, Levy has to back Conte - he was yet another of his decisions. Knew what he was and what he would demand when taking him on.
If Levy does not back Conte it's gross negligence for either not doing due-diligence in first place or not following through on promises
Conte goes, then Levy has to as well - had enough chances.
Question for the fans should be - do you believe Antonio is the answer? At no point today did we play football - is that down to the players, the formation, the manager? The fact that we have gone behing in last 7 PL games, and 10 in total i believe, shows there is something wrong within. Did the players look like they believed today? Did the fans believe? Around me as soon as Kulu was out was all doom and gloom.
Because its yet another transition period under a newish manager the players at Contes disposal are not one's he necessarily wants and he's trying to put square, or broken, pegs into round holes. But surely as you go through that process sometimes you need to adjust your principles too - it can't always be it's my way or no way.
That other lot that turned up in North London have unfortunately shown us, and particularly Levy, up.
They chose a manager and they backed him financially and in face of fan criticism.
We need to do the same with Conte, whilst praying the football improves at least. If we don't Harry and Sonny will be gone end of season as well.
Good luck to the next manager then!
If Levy does not back Conte it's gross negligence for either not doing due-diligence in first place or not following through on promises
Conte goes, then Levy has to as well - had enough chances.
Question for the fans should be - do you believe Antonio is the answer? At no point today did we play football - is that down to the players, the formation, the manager? The fact that we have gone behing in last 7 PL games, and 10 in total i believe, shows there is something wrong within. Did the players look like they believed today? Did the fans believe? Around me as soon as Kulu was out was all doom and gloom.
Because its yet another transition period under a newish manager the players at Contes disposal are not one's he necessarily wants and he's trying to put square, or broken, pegs into round holes. But surely as you go through that process sometimes you need to adjust your principles too - it can't always be it's my way or no way.
That other lot that turned up in North London have unfortunately shown us, and particularly Levy, up.
They chose a manager and they backed him financially and in face of fan criticism.
We need to do the same with Conte, whilst praying the football improves at least. If we don't Harry and Sonny will be gone end of season as well.
Good luck to the next manager then!
PeeEyeEmPee
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It's really as simple as that.
Our squad is laughable, a few injuries and we have to start Gil. Davies starting in defence and a bench so poor I wanted to cry.
Could Conte do better with what he has - sure, but what’s his motivation? He is asking the right questions about the clubs ambition, seeing the board has none and therefore going through the motions - he will be gone in the summer and there will be a pile of clubs willing to hire him on big money.
Will he be labelled a failure at Spurs - he won’t give a faaaack
Could Conte do better with what he has - sure, but what’s his motivation? He is asking the right questions about the clubs ambition, seeing the board has none and therefore going through the motions - he will be gone in the summer and there will be a pile of clubs willing to hire him on big money.
Will he be labelled a failure at Spurs - he won’t give a faaaack
rossdapep
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And Levy is only going back to Poch for two reasons.
1. He thinks it'll please the fan base and bring some good football back.
2. He knows, with Poch having his eyes opened at PSG, that he'll be able to pull the wool over his eyes and give him young potential, knowing that Poch won't walk.
It’s not as simple as that because it doesn’t mention the players Enic have failed to land for Conte - Bastoni, Skriniar and Gvardiol being very obvious ones.
People use the car analogy and running a Ferrari on Lemonade - but with Spurs it’s more like running a Ferrari with a tire missing - Enic always leave us fundamentally short each and every faaacking window.
Albertbarich
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He will come back as a shield for Levy and as someone they think they can manipulate. It's really quite horrible considering what the man did for us.
I'll be torn as I adore Poch will get behind him but it feels destined to end in disaster.
olliec
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I’m in the Conte in side, but I want to see Conte commit to us and sign a new contract to show that he is here for the long haul just like arteta did with arsenal. Otherwise I can’t expect us to be competing until all the pieces are in place. Let’s see what January brings in the transfer market because right now we have a very mixed bag of talent, and having Kulu and Bentancur out is seriously damaging.
A section of our fans will lap it up and give all their money to Enic - finishing 6th, selling our best players and losing cup semis will all be forgiven for 4/5 years because “we are building something” then as soon as Poch asks for the board to be brave and complete a rebuild they will - they will rehire Nuno and rebuild his schitt brand of football for 3 months so we can go through the whole cycle again.
I for one can’t wait
A “world class manager” (and I’m not saying he isn’t), must surely be able to get a better tune out of these players in the past 10 games.
If he can’t adapt his coaching to get the best from a system / player, 12 months after working with them I’d argue he’s not as good as people claim.
DanielJohnCosta
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Poch had issues with recruitment, himself to blame. Have a proper DOF and backing and I believe he’d succeed
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