Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

rossdapep · Jan 20, 2023

ILS said:
You clearly have a massive hard-on for fucking Levy off which to an extent I fully agree with you.

However, Did Levy scout Emerson Royal? Did Levy offer Lenglet up as alternative? Did Levy look at 5ft 6 winger from Spain and thought... he looks ready for the Premier League? Did Levy dig out and old VHS off the good old days when Nuno's Valencia once played attacking football?

So surely you have to admit he is too blame for some of the poor decisions made by this club since he was appointed?

To be fair to Paratici, he'd been in the job for a month or so, his list of players would probably have been from his Juve time and what Hitchen had.

Edu made loads of errors at first.

Even a sporting director can only do as well as the structures placed around him.

FinnYid · Jan 20, 2023

Trix said:
Yes yes yes, you've nearly got it..... So what difference does it make to change the fucking manager until those making the decisions are gone?

None whatsoever!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But you can't change it with Conte. That is necessary step if we are ever going to ditch the wrong plan. Sacking Conte isn't solution on it's own, but sticking with Conte means there won't be solution. It's simple as that. Getting rid won't guarantee any change on plan, sticking means there isn't change on plan.

Archibald&Crooks · Jan 20, 2023

Fuuuuuucking hell :LOL:

HildoSpur · Jan 20, 2023

For the love of Spurs said:
Stupid is a bit harsh but some people are not good at thinking bigger picture, they get lost with what’s purely in front of them.

Yeah... stupid

FinnYid · Jan 20, 2023

Archibald&Crooks said:
Fuuuuuucking hell

Don't worry, this will be over in about a month

BorjeSpurs · Jan 20, 2023

Any chance we can re-open the Paratici thread? It's been closed since August.

wrd · Jan 20, 2023

Don't know what thread to put this in but I just feel sorry for some of the players at this point, it's quite clear that their confidence has been absolutely destroyed and it seems clear that we're going to do very little about it for 6 months and leave them like lambs to the slaughter. It's a shit situation for all involved quite frankly and our fanbase is going to castrate them whilst also claiming that we deserve success despite the way we treat people representing our teams for years disgustingly. I think criticism is fine so long as it's constructive not destructive but the level of disdain these players receive and will continue to receive as we don't do the right thing and make changes immediately is going to be awful.

I promise I couldn't give a shit how much they earn or how much the ticket you choose to pay for cost btw.

For the love of Spurs · Jan 20, 2023

FinnYid said:
But you can't change it with Conte. That is necessary step if we are ever going to ditch the wrong plan. Sacking Conte isn't solution on it's own, but sticking with Conte means there won't be solution. It's simple as that. Getting rid won't guarantee any change on plan, sticking means there isn't change on plan.

Ok so we sack and then get a new manager and he fails and the one after that and the one after that and the one after that, none of them properly backed.

Then what?

mil1lion · Jan 20, 2023

RuskyM said:
One thing that gets ignored in the "it's the players" is it was these players who only conceded eight goals in the fourteen games post Burnley last season (compared to nearly two a game now). You can't claim Conte deserves credit for their performances then and then not criticism for their performances now.

Frankly I just want a manager whose playstyle is such that we don't have to spend every post-match scrutinising individual performances, as if you can play a perfect game with imperfect people, and results feel more like steps to progression rather than hitting our head against the wall and hoping the wall breaks.

Same happened under Jose. We looked solid for a spell but then became leaky again. It just seems to always happen when the players lose their bottle it's hard for them to find confidence again.

YB123 · Jan 20, 2023

wrd said:
Don't know what thread to put this in but I just feel sorry for some of the players at this point, it's quite clear that their confidence has been absolutely destroyed and it seems clear that we're going to do very little about it for 6 months and leave them like lambs to the slaughter. It's a shit situation for all involved quite frankly and our fanbase is going to castrate them whilst also claiming that we deserve success despite the way we treat people representing our teams for years disgustingly. I think criticism is fine so long as it's constructive not destructive but the level of disdain these players receive and will continue to receive as we don't do the right thing and make changes immediately is going to be awful.

I promise I couldn't give a shit how much they earn or how much the ticket you choose to pay for cost btw.

I wouldnt wish any fans castrating the players but I've given up caring about the majority of players and their levsl fo confidence. The same players making mistakes have had far too many chances now.

We cant keep sacking managers to appease these players to get their confidence up and then ultimately they dont perform because they are not good enough. Be definitive in decision making and move them on, for the better of the club AND the player.

mil1lion · Jan 20, 2023

Harryson said:
All this doom and gloom but you are all forgetting we have a retractable pitch!

We have a retractable defence too

Archibald&Crooks · Jan 20, 2023

For the love of Spurs said:
Ok so we sack and then get a new manager and he fails and the one after that and the one after that and the one after that, none of them properly backed.

Then what?

He's avoiding answering this question like a politician (party removed to avoid accusations of bias)

wrd · Jan 20, 2023

YB123 said:
I wouldnt wish any fans castrating the players but I've given up caring about the majority of players and their levsl fo confidence. The same players making mistakes have had far too many chances now.

We cant keep sacking managers to appease these players to get their confidence up and then ultimately they dont perform because they are not good enough. Be definitive in decision making and move them on, for the better of the club AND the player.

It's not appeasing the players though is it, they're not the ones picking themselves, signing themselves and not replacing themselves. Do you honestly think Hugo right now really wants to be starting everygame or do you think he feels a sense of responsibility? He can't sign a goalkeeper in january can he.

Drink!Drink! · Jan 20, 2023

Lest we forget

Levy once replaced project manager AVB with proper football man Tim Sherwood

Levy followed high press Poch with lowest of the low blocks in world football Mourinho

He hasn’t a clue. God knows what random name he will appoint after Conte

what ever type of manager we have Levy will interfere. He won’t secure the players needed now for the first team he will instead secure investments

we are in a death loop. Keep conte. Conte goes. Nothing changed until Levy goes.

TheWook · Jan 20, 2023

DickTopSpursFan said:
Fabs gonna do porridge mate.but it’s gonna be goodfellas type porridge. Hookers coming in and out. Some nice hams/Chianti and sex visits from levy ?

JamieSpursCommunityUser · Jan 20, 2023

ILS said:
He is in charge of the football strategy for this club whatever the transfer budget is and whoever is charge with negotiating transfer fees. I just don't see how he is any improvement on what we have had previously before in this role.

I may be going in on him too early and be proven wrong, which wouldn't be the first time. However, I just feel that we need a clear direction and at the moment I feel he is part of the problem rather than the solution.

Paratici isn't in charge of the football strategy. He was TOLD that would be his job.

He's actually in charge of executing Levy's strategy.

Levy hires a DOF and instructs him to buy young players who might come good in 3-5 years.

Then to save his bacon after Nuno, hires a Manager and tell's him we're building to challenge in 1-2 years.

Conte asks for a list of starting RWBs, Levy asks for a list of bargain prospects and over rules Conte.

We end up with Spence who doesn't play. Instead of paying the extra £20m to solve our biggest problem.

parj · Jan 20, 2023

Trix said:
He's not devoid of blame, BIGGER PICTURE!!!

If the club came out today and said " we got it wrong with Conte, we want a project manager who plays to X philosophy and we are going to get the players in order to do that and compete I wouldn't be against them doing it.

They aren't though because their is no succession plan, there is no long term strategy and there isn't anyone leading the club competent enough to do so.

You want Conte gone, but unless you want this same shit again in a years time replacing the manager is pointless.

BIGGER PICTURE!!!

Totally agree on the vision. The club needs to decide what our philosophy is and appoint managers and buy players accordingly.

I think Conte is a great manager at the wrong club. With Levy we need project managers. And when the next Poch comes along, remember to back him when he has us challenging.

Harrier · Jan 20, 2023

ralphs bald spot said:
just a thought and trying to add a little bit of levity how can it be a painful rebuild if everybody seems to want it ?

Because it will probably be a long, protracted process rather than a quick fix, and it might involve selling/replacing fan favourites such as Kane and Son in order to advance the quality of the first XI as a whole.

FinnYid · Jan 20, 2023

For the love of Spurs said:
Ok so we sack and then get a new manager and he fails and the one after that and the one after that and the one after that, none of them properly backed.

Then what?

No one will ever be "properly backed" until we are (hopefully never) owned by a sportwashing criminals. We have our monetary limitations like most of normal football clubs.

And merry-go-round will go on forever if we don't change the parameters of our coaching recruitment. If we go on with this Mourinho / Conte / Santini / Ramos / whoever route it's all the same just to skip the tenure and wait for the sacking.

But what if we looked for up and coming manager instead of "proven winners", that might mean we could land one playing the game of tomorrow instead of playing the game of yesterday. What if we looked for someone who has constantly beaten the odds rather than won most trophies, latter in almost every case tells more that he has managed club with top resources and wage budgets on corresponding leagues, not wether he can lift the club with more limited resources. On top 5 leagues on last 20 or so years there have been some sides comparable to us winning the title, none of them did so with "proven and decorated winner" (apart Roma some 20 years ago with Capello). What if we stayed away managers who are too keen on micro management, that doesn't go well in any line of business today. Footballers are no exemption, that doesn't mean we should get "go on and play" manager, just that too much is too much and certain amount of freedom gets best out of your players. They are not robots. Too much of a micro management makes them just too scared of making mistakes and so on and so on.

parj · Jan 20, 2023

mil1lion said:
Same happened under Jose. We looked solid for a spell but then became leaky again. It just seems to always happen when the players lose their bottle it's hard for them to find confidence again.

The problem with playing low block is it's mentally draining. Defenders never get to switch off because the ball is always coming back quick. It's why Jose, Conte and Nuno all had good defences with the same players, but then started conceding loads.

Defenders love defending but if there is no relent on the pressure from the opposition then more mistakes are made.

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