Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

Mark_147 · Jan 20, 2023

H-SF said:
1) my point is more relevant to league campaigns, I appreciate that more pragmatic football can still work well in cups
2) Tuchel sides press a lot higher than Conte and Ancelotti teams so that comparison shouldn’t really be made.

So the world's most elite club competition does not count. I think Man City spending power has more to do with their dominance of the Premier league rather than style of football.

sundanceyid10 · Jan 20, 2023

teok said:
I'm usually heavily in one camp or the other on these sorts of issues. I have no idea what I want or what is best for the club. Such a weird situation.

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I’m the same but Levy has to go this time, it’s just too much failure, over too long a period.

Beni · Jan 20, 2023

mil1lion said:
It's more like having Lewis Hamilton in an F1 car with the chassis all set up, engine tuned and suspension sorted but then sticking shit tyres on because you're not prepared to pay that bit extra for the final piece. Then as you watch the chaos as he slides all over the place you think "let's find someone who can work with these tyres". So you go and get a pro drifter instead (shout out to Ken Block RIP) so they can control the chaos. OK maybe it will be fun for the fans to watch him drift around Silverstone, and if you win the odd race then great, but you'll never win the Championship.

And when these tyres are past their run time, asked to run them for a few laps more until they’re replaced.

Trix · Jan 20, 2023

Chimbo! said:
Conte’s excuse yesterday that we would have protected the 2-0 lead if we had bought more experienced players is pathetic. Plenty of teams with less money and less talented players have seen out 2 goals leads or protected their position against City, or frankly conceded fewer goals.

a bad workman blames his tools.

So does a good workman if his tools are shit.

JamieSpursCommunityUser · Jan 20, 2023

rossdapep said:
The Danny Rose/Levy scenario in the AON doc highlighted everything wrong with the club.

How can a player walk up to the chairman, whilst he's eating his breakfast, and demand to know if AC Milan are still in for him? IN front of all the other staff...

That should only happen behind closed doors and I wonder if Levy is too close to the players at times so it creates this awkwardness between them where Levy is afraid to say exactly what you've just suggested.

I was just thinking about that and I 100% agree. This other cherub was pretty damning of the culture.

The threat of "I'm going to talk to Daniel about this." Oooh you're in trouble now. I'm going to tell teacher.

The Chairman should not be accessible to players to discuss football matters. Ever.

If he's said this to Fergie there'd be a Danny Rose shaped hole in the wall.

Imagine Poch trying to tell Rose it was over 2 years earlier. Then imagine the poison spread in the dressing room. Explains a lot.

djhotspur · Jan 20, 2023

God we need some good news in here so bad

For the love of Spurs · Jan 20, 2023

djhotspur said:
God we need some good news in here so bad

thing is unless it’s serious recruitment like a GK, CB and RWB of very high quality coming in it’s not enough. Only good news that is really worth anything is a change at the top right now. Transfers, the Conte situation don’t really change the bigger picture.

Johnny J · Jan 20, 2023

djhotspur said:
God we need some good news in here so bad

We don't play until Monday so for once our weekends won't be ruined.

JamieSpursCommunityUser · Jan 20, 2023

ultimateloner said:
You are being naive.
If I was Wanyama and you said that to me I would say 'ok' and not play for 1 year.
You are paying me the same amount, and on top of that took the risk of buying a replacement and paying his wages as well.
You shoulder all the risk and I take none. It's very costly and might not even work.

Good business doesn't work like that.

Careers are short, and players want to play.

If they want to earn their next contract and play for their Country they NEED to play.

He didn't stay because he couldn't be arsed to play football.

He stayed because he'd fought his way back from injury, and still believed there was a way back in to playing for us. Our midfield that season was atrocious.

I loved Vic and good on him, but from the club's point of view there's a way to tell him it's over.

The club needed a midfielder. The Coach insisted on one for good reason, and we had broad enough shoulders financially to be pro-active and force the issue.

We ended up getting nothing for Wanyama, paying him anyway to not play, eventually buying a replacement, and in the meantime it was another nail in the coffin of the Poch era.

There are risks to doing nothing too, and this inaction cost us big time.

thekneaf · Jan 20, 2023

rossdapep said:
The Danny Rose/Levy scenario in the AON doc highlighted everything wrong with the club.

How can a player walk up to the chairman, whilst he's eating his breakfast, and demand to know if AC Milan are still in for him? IN front of all the other staff...

That should only happen behind closed doors and I wonder if Levy is too close to the players at times so it creates this awkwardness between them where Levy is afraid to say exactly what you've just suggested.

Because it was staged?

bubble07 · Jan 20, 2023

Not sure I can take more of this. I'm having a break. See you all soon maybe x

jolsnogross · Jan 20, 2023

Trix said:
He's not devoid of blame, BIGGER PICTURE!!!

If the club came out today and said " we got it wrong with Conte, we want a project manager who plays to X philosophy and we are going to get the players in order to do that and compete I wouldn't be against them doing it.

They aren't though because their is no succession plan, there is no long term strategy and there isn't anyone leading the club competent enough to do so.

You want Conte gone, but unless you want this same shit again in a years time replacing the manager is pointless.

BIGGER PICTURE!!!

If theres no succession plan, I really dont know what the fuck Paratici is employed for.

Ousting Levy doesn't have a hope in hell. And I doubt he'll sell up because what else is he going to do that's better than being spurs chairman?

We've been rubbish since Poch left, and sacking him is the cardinal sin Levy committed, with full support from a majority of fans. I too would welcome an admission that we got it wrong with Conte (and mourinho). And get a forward thinking manager in again.

IamSpurtacus · Jan 20, 2023

H-SF said:
I think this thread is spot on and basically explains why I’d rather we started the big rebuild without Kane with a more progressive manager.

As a counter to that...

translation:

"Carlo Ancelotti on the idealization of possession football: "It was a fashion. Football is changing, more verticality. Possession football is not as fashionable as before."

Serpico · Jan 20, 2023

Contes poker face is awful-he wants out.

jolsnogross · Jan 20, 2023

If there's one commonality among Mourinho, Nuno, and Conte it's that they are much more concerned with conceding goals than scoring them. And each play a lower block style with countering that invites pressure and mistakes. It's been dross to watch, and nowhere near as successful, defensively and offensively, as the style played under Poch (and Harry before him).

Bluto Blutarsky · Jan 20, 2023

jolsnogross said:
nowhere near as successful, defensively and offensively,

I don't know where we stand now - but through 16 games we had scored the most goals ever for Spurs through 16 games - including the Poch and Harry era...

mil1lion · Jan 20, 2023

Johnny J said:
We don't play until Monday so for once our weekends won't be ruined.

I still don't fancy a clean sheet over the weekend

Johnny J · Jan 20, 2023

bubble07 said:
Not sure I can take more of this. I'm having a break. See you all soon maybe x

Take care Bubble.

Mark_147 · Jan 20, 2023

jolsnogross said:
If there's one commonality among Mourinho, Nuno, and Conte it's that they are much more concerned with conceding goals than scoring them. And each play a lower block style with countering that invites pressure and mistakes. It's been dross to watch, and nowhere near as successful, defensively and offensively, as the style played under Poch (and Harry before him).

Then why are we 3rd top scorers with the 15th worst defence.

JW72 · Jan 20, 2023

Trix said:
So does a good workman if his tools are shit.

Or an excellent workman, who doesn't have the patience to learn different techniques?

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