Ex-Manager watch: Antonio Conte

[FinnYid]

Thats a league Cup. One being ex gooner and the other nearly relegated us.

Your comparisons are ridiculous.

Would rather finish 5th with lovely football than win silverware. Levy has well and truly brainwashed some of this clubs support.

You ask Liverpool fans if they cared about their greatest night in Instanbul under defensive Rafa, or Chelsea fans with their greatest team under mourinho leaking minimal goals or ask Atletico fans about the numerous against all odds silverware theyve won under the park the bus Simeone.

I'd rather show them pictures from Ukraine and ask how they feel about their trophies bought by blood money of Putin.

Anyway desperate pining after trophies is just what Levy is doing and hence he will never get them. He appoints this "winners" irrespective on wether their CV tells anything about their chances of bringing the big trophies here, on PL of 22/23, on our resources.

 

[WiganSpur]

Well they’re asking for Paratici to be suspended for 20 months.
He’s not suspended yet and that case still has to go to trial.

So common sense says it makes no difference for us right now and he can continue his usual duties for us until told otherwise.

Is this a global or Italian body? Do they have the power to ban him from working in the UK or does that apply to working in Italy only?

 

[-Afri-Coy-]

"Sticked with" pretty much sums up your posts tbh

I don’t think English is his first language ?

 

[arthurgrimsdell]

"Sticked with" pretty much sums up your posts tbh

What's your name again?

 

[yiddopaul]

We’re at the same point Liverpool were at and as soon as they brought in a top tier keeper and centre back their team was transformed.

With all due respect. I think we're a million miles away from where Liverpool were. Liverpool just needed two signings, and they got them which transformed them. We need at least 6 players of top quality, minimum. And we are a disjointed mess. Liverpool were not a mess when they signed those two, they were in fact, playing well.

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

For people thinking that Conte could be eyeing up Juve job in summer

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Poch burned out after years of managing a declining team. He had nothing new to teach them.

He wanted rid of Wanyama, Rose etc but the club refused because they didn't want to face a painful and expensive rebuilt.

Levy thought he knew best, kicked the can down the road, and began our terminal decline.

Mourinho didn't improve the same players Poch wasn't improving, Nuno didn't improve, and Conte hasn't improved.

How many players have they improved in their careers? Do we seriously think this is a coaching problem?

Nuno was only here because the club didn't have a plan, and the word was out that Levy is difficult to work with.



That lot down the road are top with lower revenues than ours. Their owners are business people too. They have an ambitious plan and are executing it aggressively.

They pushed players out, stuck to the technical blueprint for signings undistracted by chasing bargains, and were prepared to act quickly and decisively to take hits on any transfer mistakes and keep moving forward.

We had a massive advantage on them this summer both in revenues and CL football, and we've squandered it.

Go back and look at what AVB said about the Bale 7. It's more or less exactly what we did this summer. Exactly. We bought mostly investments and temp fillers. Richarlison aside, we didn't attack the problems. Throw in some new problems with Lloris and Son and we've fallen apart.



This is a straw man argument. The issue with Levy isn't that he didn't spend £300m we didn't have.

I want us to spend, with ambition and discipline within the tactical and technical vision of the coach. Spend what we can afford. No more, no less.

The argument on Levy is the interfering on players out, and players in.

Sticking to bad investments until they stink the place out. Rigidly buying low and selling high.

If we're a big club we can afford to replace a £50m RB we sold 5 years ago with a £40m back 2, 3, 4 windows ago.

We've wasted more time, money, and opportunity cost trying to replace Walker on the cheap, and refusing to do what it takes to move our mistakes on.

We don't act decisively and assertively if a player won't leave. We're a soft touch and they know it. So they ride it out until the next manager arrives and the cycle starts again.

This culture has been created by the Board's actions.

The sad thing is it's within Levy's power to change this if he wanted. But he's either unable or willing to change. So I want him gone.

We should lock this thread here. Here endeth the story.

 

[DiVaio]

Poch burned out after years of managing a declining team. He had nothing new to teach them.

He wanted rid of Wanyama, Rose etc but the club refused because they didn't want to face a painful and expensive rebuilt.

Levy thought he knew best, kicked the can down the road, and began our terminal decline.

Mourinho didn't improve the same players Poch wasn't improving, Nuno didn't improve, and Conte hasn't improved.

How many players have they improved in their careers? Do we seriously think this is a coaching problem?

Nuno was only here because the club didn't have a plan, and the word was out that Levy is difficult to work with.

You can't force players to leave, and the club agreed deal with Club Brugge to sell Wanyama but it was him who couldn't agree personal terms or didn't want to leave.
The thing is - Poch improved most of the players he had at Spurs and most of them had their peak under Poch. You can't say this about Mourinho, the most improved Kane and Son we just became more reliant on them. Yeah, for example magically when Lo Celso, Foyth or Tanguy left Spurs they started to play very good again. Definitely coincidence, not a coaching problem.
To be honest Conte improved most of them until the last couple of games, and even those supposedly not good enough back 3 of Davies, Dier and Davinson kept 9 clean sheets and conceded only 5 goals in 12 games under Conte. But this doesn't work like that he deserves credit for their improvement but when they are regressing it's only their fault

 

[FibreOpticJesus]

Well they’re asking for Paratici to be suspended for 20 months.
He’s not suspended yet and that case still has to go to trial.

So common sense says it makes no difference for us right now and he can continue his usual duties for us until told otherwise.

Other than it must be a big distraction which we do not need. We need 100% commitment.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Great analogy about Conte on TLWOS podcast the other day.

Hiring conte but not properly backing him is like buying a Bentley car but then saying you’re only willing to pay £100 a year to service it and then wonder why it breaks down or doesn’t perform as you’ve expected.

If we(Levy) aren’t willing to really fully give Conte what he needs then we are just yet again wasting time, it’ll all end in tears and we will be back to square one… AGAIN.

Fwiw I don’t think Conte does want to leave, after many of these recent defeats he could’ve throw his toys out the pram, he’s preaching ‘time and patience’ in every single press conference for months, sure he may consider going back to Italy this summer but I think he’s also attracted by keeping going with this ‘process’ as he calls it as he’s motivated by a challenge and he knows IF he did get us to win something he’d be regarded as a miracle worker as we’ve broken so many other managers.

 

[fishhhandaricecake]

Poch burned out after years of managing a declining team. He had nothing new to teach them.

He wanted rid of Wanyama, Rose etc but the club refused because they didn't want to face a painful and expensive rebuilt.

Levy thought he knew best, kicked the can down the road, and began our terminal decline.

Mourinho didn't improve the same players Poch wasn't improving, Nuno didn't improve, and Conte hasn't improved.

How many players have they improved in their careers? Do we seriously think this is a coaching problem?

Nuno was only here because the club didn't have a plan, and the word was out that Levy is difficult to work with.



That lot down the road are top with lower revenues than ours. Their owners are business people too. They have an ambitious plan and are executing it aggressively.

They pushed players out, stuck to the technical blueprint for signings undistracted by chasing bargains, and were prepared to act quickly and decisively to take hits on any transfer mistakes and keep moving forward.

We had a massive advantage on them this summer both in revenues and CL football, and we've squandered it.

Go back and look at what AVB said about the Bale 7. It's more or less exactly what we did this summer. Exactly. We bought mostly investments and temp fillers. Richarlison aside, we didn't attack the problems. Throw in some new problems with Lloris and Son and we've fallen apart.



This is a straw man argument. The issue with Levy isn't that he didn't spend £300m we didn't have.

I want us to spend, with ambition and discipline within the tactical and technical vision of the coach. Spend what we can afford. No more, no less.

The argument on Levy is the interfering on players out, and players in.

Sticking to bad investments until they stink the place out. Rigidly buying low and selling high.

If we're a big club we can afford to replace a £50m RB we sold 5 years ago with a £40m back 2, 3, 4 windows ago.

We've wasted more time, money, and opportunity cost trying to replace Walker on the cheap, and refusing to do what it takes to move our mistakes on.

We don't act decisively and assertively if a player won't leave. We're a soft touch and they know it. So they ride it out until the next manager arrives and the cycle starts again.

This culture has been created by the Board's actions.

The sad thing is it's within Levy's power to change this if he wanted. But he's either unable or willing to change. So I want him gone.

What a truly excellent post, absolutely nail on head mate ?

 

[mil1lion]

I don’t think English is his first language ?

Neither is football

 

[Ginola+Tonic]

Ohhhh shit ??‍

 

[mil1lion]

Great analogy about Conte on TLWOS podcast the other day.

Hiring conte but not properly backing him is like buying a Bentley car but then saying you’re only willing to pay £100 a year to service it and then wonder why it breaks down or doesn’t perform as you’ve expected.

If we(Levy) aren’t willing to really fully give Conte what he needs then we are just yet again wasting time, it’ll all end in tears and we will be back to square one… AGAIN.

Fwiw I don’t think Conte does want to leave, after many of these recent defeats he could’ve throw his toys out the pram, he’s preaching ‘time and patience’ in every single press conference for months, sure he may consider going back to Italy this summer but I think he’s also attracted by keeping going with this ‘process’ as he calls it as he’s motivated by a challenge and he knows IF he did get us to win something he’d be regarded as a miracle worker as we’ve broken so many other managers.

It's more like having Lewis Hamilton in an F1 car with the chassis all set up, engine tuned and suspension sorted but then sticking shit tyres on because you're not prepared to pay that bit extra for the final piece. Then as you watch the chaos as he slides all over the place you think "let's find someone who can work with these tyres". So you go and get a pro drifter instead (shout out to Ken Block RIP) so they can control the chaos. OK maybe it will be fun for the fans to watch him drift around Silverstone, and if you win the odd race then great, but you'll never win the Championship.

 

[H-SF]

I think this thread is spot on and basically explains why I’d rather we started the big rebuild without Kane with a more progressive manager.

 

[Trent Crimm]

Poch burned out after years of managing a declining team. He had nothing new to teach them.

He wanted rid of Wanyama, Rose etc but the club refused because they didn't want to face a painful and expensive rebuilt.

Levy thought he knew best, kicked the can down the road, and began our terminal decline.

Mourinho didn't improve the same players Poch wasn't improving, Nuno didn't improve, and Conte hasn't improved.

How many players have they improved in their careers? Do we seriously think this is a coaching problem?

Nuno was only here because the club didn't have a plan, and the word was out that Levy is difficult to work with.



That lot down the road are top with lower revenues than ours. Their owners are business people too. They have an ambitious plan and are executing it aggressively.

They pushed players out, stuck to the technical blueprint for signings undistracted by chasing bargains, and were prepared to act quickly and decisively to take hits on any transfer mistakes and keep moving forward.

We had a massive advantage on them this summer both in revenues and CL football, and we've squandered it.

Go back and look at what AVB said about the Bale 7. It's more or less exactly what we did this summer. Exactly. We bought mostly investments and temp fillers. Richarlison aside, we didn't attack the problems. Throw in some new problems with Lloris and Son and we've fallen apart.



This is a straw man argument. The issue with Levy isn't that he didn't spend £300m we didn't have.

I want us to spend, with ambition and discipline within the tactical and technical vision of the coach. Spend what we can afford. No more, no less.

The argument on Levy is the interfering on players out, and players in.

Sticking to bad investments until they stink the place out. Rigidly buying low and selling high.

If we're a big club we can afford to replace a £50m RB we sold 5 years ago with a £40m back 2, 3, 4 windows ago.

We've wasted more time, money, and opportunity cost trying to replace Walker on the cheap, and refusing to do what it takes to move our mistakes on.

We don't act decisively and assertively if a player won't leave. We're a soft touch and they know it. So they ride it out until the next manager arrives and the cycle starts again.

This culture has been created by the Board's actions.

The sad thing is it's within Levy's power to change this if he wanted. But he's either unable or willing to change. So I want him gone.

So true. Everyone around us are looking at their weak areas and at least trying to address those areas. Understand we are Trying also but until it actually happens then it’s just chat. Leave it late, we tried, Jan is hard blah blah blah.

Let’s face it , Fab could be in witness protection as well by tonight.

 

[mil1lion]

Great analogy about Conte on TLWOS podcast the other day.

Hiring conte but not properly backing him is like buying a Bentley car but then saying you’re only willing to pay £100 a year to service it and then wonder why it breaks down or doesn’t perform as you’ve expected.

If we(Levy) aren’t willing to really fully give Conte what he needs then we are just yet again wasting time, it’ll all end in tears and we will be back to square one… AGAIN.

Fwiw I don’t think Conte does want to leave, after many of these recent defeats he could’ve throw his toys out the pram, he’s preaching ‘time and patience’ in every single press conference for months, sure he may consider going back to Italy this summer but I think he’s also attracted by keeping going with this ‘process’ as he calls it as he’s motivated by a challenge and he knows IF he did get us to win something he’d be regarded as a miracle worker as we’ve broken so many other managers.

It's more like having Lewis Hamilton in an F1 car with the chassis all set up, engine tuned and suspension sorted but then sticking shit tyres on because you're not prepared to pay that bit extra for the final piece. Then as you watch the chaos as he slides all over the place you think "let's find someone who can work with these tyres". So you go and get a pro drifter instead (shout out to Ken Block RIP) so they can control the chaos. OK maybe it will be fun for the fans to watch him drift around Silverstone, and if you win the odd race then great, but you'll never win the Championship.

 

[mil1lion]

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Ohhhh shit ??‍

Hopefully the verdict is "Daniel Levy guilty"

 

[Russ1201]

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Ohhhh shit ??‍

Perfect timing during the transfer window is Mr Levy on the hearing board ??

 

[Nerine]

It's more like having Lewis Hamilton in an F1 car with the chassis all set up, engine tuned and suspension sorted but then sticking shit tyres on because you're not prepared to pay that bit extra for the final piece. Then as you watch the chaos as he slides all over the place you think "let's find someone who can work with these tyres". So you go and get a pro drifter instead (shout out to Ken Block RIP) so they can control the chaos. OK maybe it will be fun for the fans to watch him drift around Silverstone, and if you win the odd race then great, but you'll never win the Championship.

I like this analogy.