Harry Kane

worcestersauce · Jul 3, 2023

robotsonic said:
The idea that we should move out the most complete striker on the literal entire planet Earth because he only had a year left and might be worth some money now instead has always seemed mental to me, and to be honest a little spoiled as if the expectation is that we can make something better from the situation. This is football. This is Tottenham. There is no world in which we are better off without Harry Kane, even a half-arsed one. £100M windfall is no good here as we can afford already the players we need and any anyone for that type of serious money won't come here anyway. Not this season.

Throw at him the Florida Man trip all you like but he was entirely present when he got over himself, and we'll see the same again this year even if he does have his eyes elsewhere. It's who he is. He wants the goals above all. It's what he lives for. We're talking about actually one of the best players in world football, regardless of what is thrown at the bloke. Maybe the most complete player the country has ever produced. We should do everything to keep him for just another match, even if it costs us losing him for nothing, because we won't see another like him probably as long as we live, especially through our academy.

OK you win, let's delay it for a year.

Japhet · Jul 3, 2023

McFlash said:
I think we all know that Kane will be wanting to play every available minute, no matter where he ends up.
I can't imagine him accepting anything other than that, even for a few tin pots and especially when he's so close to his personal goal of highest pl scorer.

sundanceyid10 said:
Off course, I just think City have moved on from him.

Agree all round. Hopefully he's hooked by the attacking style we all hope for and gets loads of opportunities. Nobody will guarantee him more minutes than we will either and to break the record playing for one club would be such a unique achievement. Can only hope.

Real_madyidd · Jul 3, 2023

McFlash said:
I think we all know that Kane will be wanting to play every available minute, no matter where he ends up.
I can't imagine him accepting anything other than that, even for a few tin pots and especially when he's so close to his personal goal of highest pl scorer.

Do we actually know that is his goal? It does seem rather odd to have such an individual goal in a team sport. I wonder if he would choose a decent trophy over it?

YIDfromtheLANE · Jul 3, 2023

I’ll probably clutching at straws here….more of an emotional decision for Harry over a straight footballing decision.

But wonder if Kane has thought to himself, the optics of being sold is more on the club accepting an offer rather than him wanting out - and that sits a bit more comfortably with him.

That changes if Levy refuses any bid and then the optics are Kane let his contact run down and left on a free. - he may not want that stain on his THFC legacy.

Although in theory it would feel Harry holds the cards here, his career being as elite, one club man, record holder, Captain elect puts an inner feeling that there’s a bit of a sword dangling above his head in terms on how he leaves. I’m not sure leaving on a free is something he may be comfortable with despite its riches.

So if Levy refuses any bid at all, then Harry has a bit of a self created moral dilemma to manage in his head.

With that reason plus any feel good progress he see’s at the club this summer and into next season maybe the hook for him renewing with the club.

Like I say, maybe I’m clutching, but Harry strikes me as a more honourable person before cut throat footballer and with the Neville interview being a learning point, he may not want to carry the burden running a contract down creates.

McFlash · Jul 3, 2023

Real_madyidd said:
Do we actually know that is his goal? It does seem rather odd to have such an individual goal in a team sport. I wonder if he would choose a decent trophy over it?

We don't know for sure, he he does appear to love his records and uses them as personal milestones.
Strikers are all usually pretty greedy though, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if he isn't all for the personal accolades, even in a team sport.

I guess it all depends on what he'd class as a "decent trophy".
Would he be happy with the CL but only play a bit part in winning it at City?
Would he be happy winning a cup with us and the personal record?
Or would he want to forgo the goal scoring record to win an easy title abroad?

Only he knows the answer to these questions, which is what makes his current situation an interesting one to discuss, there are so many possible permutations.

Real_madyidd · Jul 3, 2023

Another question: is being a "one club man" even a possitive anymore if that clubs never wins anything?

HildoSpur · Jul 3, 2023

Real_madyidd said:
Another question: is being a "one club man" even a possitive anymore if that clubs never wins anything?

It is when it's our club yes! (y)

littlewilly · Jul 3, 2023

YIDfromtheLANE said:
I’ll probably clutching at straws here….more of an emotional decision for Harry over a straight footballing decision.

But wonder if Kane has thought to himself, the optics of being sold is more on the club accepting an offer rather than him wanting out - and that sits a bit more comfortably with him.

That changes if Levy refuses any bid and then the optics are Kane let his contact run down and left on a free. - he may not want that stain on his THFC legacy.

Although in theory it would feel Harry holds the cards here, his career being as elite, one club man, record holder, Captain elect puts an inner feeling that there’s a bit of a sword dangling above his head in terms on how he leaves. I’m not sure leaving on a free is something he may be comfortable with despite its riches.

So if Levy refuses any bid at all, then Harry has a bit of a self created moral dilemma to manage in his head.

With that reason plus any feel good progress he see’s at the club this summer and into next season maybe the hook for him renewing with the club.

Like I say, maybe I’m clutching, but Harry strikes me as a more honourable person before cut throat footballer and with the Neville interview being a learning point, he may not want to carry the burden running a contract down creates.

In the name of all that's good in the world, how can this excellent post be off topic @number7 ?

worcestersauce · Jul 3, 2023

In a year's time Harry will be just as sought after as this year and he knows it so for him there's absolutely no pressure to decide anything now. There really is only one action that will convince me he'll be here after next season and that's if he signs a new contract now, but he won't and so I'm absolutely certain the discussion is not about if he stays but when he goes. I know people on here don't want to hear that and I'd love to be proved wrong but those people are putting a lot of faith in romance and this season being so special it'll convince him to stay and I just don't see it.
Straightforward choice, this year with money next year without.

Typical Spurs · Jul 3, 2023

Real_madyidd said:
Do we actually know that is his goal? It does seem rather odd to have such an individual goal in a team sport. I wonder if he would choose a decent trophy over it?

To be honest, its the individual goals, targets and aspirations that set apart run if the mill players and those who are top class.

So whilst it's a team sport, I think it's completely understandable to want individual accolades. Wanting individual accolades (top scorer etc) helps the team anyway.

He could move to any top club and win a trophy. I personally think beating Shearers record surpasses anything. When you look at the quality strikers we've had in the prem, it's unbelievable that he may break that record.

Real_madyidd · Jul 3, 2023

Typical Spurs said:
To be honest, its the individual goals, targets and aspirations that set apart run if the mill players and those who are top class.

So whilst it's a team sport, I think it's completely understandable to want individual accolades. Wanting individual accolades (top scorer etc) helps the team anyway.

He could move to any top club and win a trophy. I personally think beating Shearers record surpasses anything. When you look at the quality strikers we've had in the prem, it's unbelievable that he may break that record.

Wouldn't Shearer point out that he scored 23 goals prior to the Premier League being created? If Kane is aiming for him then he needs to aim higher.

Trix · Jul 3, 2023

Real_madyidd said:
Wouldn't Shearer point out that he scored 23 goals prior to the Premier League being created? If Kane is aiming for him then he needs to aim higher.

No, Shearer wouldn't do that. If he did then he'd have to include those players that scored many more goals than he did outside the Premier league era and then he only comes in 5th.

TheWook · Jul 3, 2023

Real_madyidd said:
Do we actually know that is his goal? It does seem rather odd to have such an individual goal in a team sport. I wonder if he would choose a decent trophy over it?

No we don't know that's his goal, nor do we know what his goals are, his targets would have changed over his career, and with being so close to it you would presume that it is now one of his targets.

Pochie · Jul 3, 2023

I just pray that he stays. Fall in love with Ange's style of football. Be a one-club legend and record-breaker. Let’s win the League Cup early in the season and then you sign and our club will be fuelled for our assault on the PL.

Do it, Harry. Stay and be our Hero!

worcestersauce · Jul 3, 2023

Trix said:
No, Shearer wouldn't do that. If he did then he'd have to include those players that scored many more goals than he did outside the Premier league era and then he only comes in 5th.

I'm glad you did it Trix I couldn't be bothered to do the reearch.

Chris Flynn · Jul 3, 2023

Real_madyidd said:
Do we actually know that is his goal? It does seem rather odd to have such an individual goal in a team sport. I wonder if he would choose a decent trophy over it?

Depends what you consider a decent trophy. No striker would pick and fa cup or league cup win over it. So do you mean league or champs league?

robotsonic · Jul 3, 2023

Some Kane quotes on the PL top scorer record, from seperate interviews:

"It’s a lot of goals and I’m still a long way off but Shearer was an idol of mine growing up, to see how many goals he scored was incredible," Kane said. "I take it season by season. I don’t like looking too far ahead because you never know what can happen.
"But is it good to aim for? Definitely, they’re the goals you dream of. When you’re a younger player, you watch them scoring goals week in and week out, so to be doing that now is a dream come true."

"Yeah it's definitely there. I'm getting closer, so it's for sure something I want to achieve,"

"I'm feeling good. I saw Alan earlier in the week. I'm sure he'll be watching but not sure if he'll be happy or not! I've got plenty of goals to come, I'm feeling good. Alan has set the record to beat. I'll see if I can beat it."

"It's still a long way away, for sure, but I still feel fit, I feel I have many more years left in the locker," Kane told media.

"Every season I want to score goals, I want to be amongst those names, and I'm excited for the challenge.

So I think it's fair to say that he does want to break this record and that it's a career target of his, or he wouldn't keep saying it.

An FA CUP, for all it is worth, will not add the weight of cement that breaking this record does to his legacy as one of the very best, as it has you talked about for years. Shearer has been trading off of the fucking thing for 17 years so far! At this point if he doesn't break it, that's going to be the legacy, and I don't think that crying into his DFB Pokal is going to make him feel better about it. He needs to either win some proper silverware in this country, or get that record (ideally both), or it'll always be a footnote on his career...and he can only be in total personal control of one of those outcomes...

mil1lion · Jul 3, 2023

Funny thing is people mention the record with Shearer more than his title with Blackburn

Rosco1984 · Jul 3, 2023

mil1lion said:
Funny thing is people mention the record with Shearer more than his title with Blackburn

Guarantee most of the tick tock and twitter virgins have no idea that happened but "Kane has to win a trophy to be a great"

dontcallme · Jul 3, 2023

mil1lion said:
Funny thing is people mention the record with Shearer more than his title with Blackburn

I’ve heard many say Shearer didn’t win anything in his career. It seems to have been forgotten by many.

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