Jose Mourinho

Hercules · Nov 21, 2019

Trix said:
I think we are all going to be surprised tbh. Boring grind it out football is not what he's telling the players he wants to do. I'm sure there will be matches where this is necessary, but on the whole I think it will be far more attack orientated.

I said that Trix yesterday, and got some optimistic ratings etc. But from what I heard before his appointment, and since. He will be playing counter-press aggressive football. But! Only high press when needed.

Hakkz · Nov 21, 2019

Hercules said:
I said that Trix yesterday, and got some optimistic ratings etc. But from what I heard before his appointment, and since. He will be playing counter-press aggressive football. But! Only high press when needed.

I think that he's had to accept that Pep and Klopp have the best formula atm and that's the best starting point. Swallowing his pride and using his brain.

roshambo · Nov 21, 2019

I couldn't be happier about Mourinho joining our club. Literally every moment of every day and every little thing at our - and any - club is geared to winning football matches and Mourinho is a winner. Yes, it's not going to be pretty at times but i'll take an ugly win over a delightful draw or loss any day of the week.

The club has reached a certain level now where what we need more than anything is to show we're ready to consistently challenge for the top honours. Mourinho is (at least in theory) the man who can make that happen. I've got nothing but love for Pochettino but sad as it is, his time was done.

People who know essentially nothing about the goings on behind the scenes can talk about not investing but the club has spent tens of millions of pounds this week in its pursuit of glory. I've well and truly drunk the kool-aid.

fishhhandaricecake · Nov 21, 2019

Hercules said:
I said that Trix yesterday, and got some optimistic ratings etc. But from what I heard before his appointment, and since. He will be playing counter-press aggressive football. But! Only high press when needed.

He said in the presser that the style will not change too much from before which is interesting so mabye fairly high press like early days poch but hopefully he does change it a bit because we need a better balance to be able to get over the line and win things.

Its funny most people saying they don’t want boring Jose football but aside from a few defensive ‘park the bus’ performances Jose’s football is fine, his Real Madrid team were electric on the counter attack and scored record amount of goals in la liga season.
I don’t care how he plays as long as it’s how he thinks it’s the best way to be successful so I fully trust him as to how he thinks we should play but I’d be a bit surprised if he tried to play exactly like poch set us up because that’s not Jose and it also probably doesn’t quite suit the squad we have but if he tweaks it slightly and try’s to dominate games against smaller teams but setup cleverly against harder opponents and away from home then I think that’s the way to go.

fishhhandaricecake · Nov 21, 2019

Hakkz said:
I think that he's had to accept that Pep and Klopp have the best formula atm and that's the best starting point. Swallowing his pride and using his brain.

Possibly but at the same time he shouldn’t re invent the wheel, he could take bits from pep and klopp and counter pressing but also mix in his defensive set up and effectiveness and clinicality and counter attacking and you’ll have an interesting mix.

Gb160 · Nov 21, 2019

spursfan77 said:
Yeah I don’t think anyone can fail to be impressed.

Are you new here?

mill · Nov 21, 2019

stov said:
I want both, but if I had to choose I'd choose excellent football over winning stuff

I understand what you mean but maybe Mourinho is exactly what we need right now in the club’s long term best interests. A ruthless winner mentality might well be the best thing for us right now, new stadium and all that, raise our profile.

He’ll be here three years at most but he could be a vital part of our development,I know Chelsea had money but he changed the mindset there

soflapaul · Nov 21, 2019

stov said:
I want both, but if I had to choose I'd choose excellent football over winning stuff

I am not sure everyone would agree with that as winning leads to more money, attracting better players, etc. With that said, it isn't clear why everyone keeps answering it as a either/or question. It needs to be both. That should be all of our standards. Those that are emphasizing winning are spot on because we have risen only from mediocre to nearly in the recent past. That was the necessary path to get where we are.

But that isn't enough if we are to stay true to our DNA. I never, ever, ever want to win the EPL or CL if it requires a rich, corrupt owner. i want us to win despite the fact that we don't have that and because of the club's culture. Poch almost had us there. That is why many of us bought in and are so disappointed how it turned out.

And finally, regarding beautiful football, if the hints about Jose having some new ideas of playing are correct, you would have to hope it is one quarter as revolutionary as the push and run. TBH, as optimistically skeptical as i was about Jose, he knocked it out of the park in the press conference acknowledging Poch's contribution, the need to win but also staying true to our culture. It is hard not to believe he can turn the malaise around quickly while playing beautiful football in the near future.

And i suspect in his heart of hearts, winning isn't enough for him. And in that press conference, there was a hint that at this stage in life, he is as much worried about his legacy as he is about winning. He showed a side of him that we haven't seen before and that was a public commitment. Let's hope he lives up to that as if he does, this is going to be one helluva ride.

sausage · Nov 21, 2019

Trix said:
I think we are all going to be surprised tbh. Boring grind it out football is not what he's telling the players he wants to do. I'm sure there will be matches where this is necessary, but on the whole I think it will be far more attack orientated.

At the obvious risk of being accused of making stupid comparisons, this is where you get managers like Redknapp and Allardyce who are under appreciated alongside the big club managers. Success is something that comes with sacrifices, and those sacrifices are sometimes playing style or principles.

If you want to win things, you have to occasionally choose between success and aesthetics. So many clubs have pushed BFS out of their clubs due to playing ugly football, despite getting those teams either out of trouble, or into top half finishes (totally different category of 'success', but nonetheless...). Too many deluded fans and chairman expect managers to be able to create teams that can play Guardiola-like football with Pulis-like players. Warnock got Cardiff playing well last year but it didn't get them far. Wilder is doing it this season, but they could well get found out in the second half of the season.

In short, you have to judge the football a manager plays alongside the players he has. As has been said on here already today, no one had Redknapp down as the type to play as we did under him, but it was also really the only time he'd had the players that could do it. Similarly, Mourinho had a pretty poor team at United and they'd have been put to the sword if he'd tried to get them playing pretty football.

Pretty much every top manager at some point will choose results over style when it is necessary to do so. I'm not saying the aforementioned two are/were "top" managers, but more that Pep, Jose or any other "top" manager will only play the football his team are capable of playing whilst winning.

Jenko · Nov 21, 2019

guernman said:
What is exciting is how much he must be relishing this opportunity. For Mourinho right now this is his dream job. And I don't mean in terms of what was realistically available, I mean if he could literally create his ideal job it would be Spurs right now. His home is London, and he can actually be based with his family. We have the best stadium in the world, we have the best infrastructure and training ground. He has an incredible squad with potentially the best no 9 he will have worked with, and Drogba was no slouch. Thanks to the stadium, the champions league final and then the sudden firing of a beloved manager, we are enjoying more global media coverage than ever before, not to mention being in the middle of what will be a very interesting Amazon documentary. And we haven't won a damn thing in decades. The Special One had fallen, had lost his edge, was yesterday's news. He covets his image, his reputation and that would have really hurt. If he turns this around, if he wins a major trophy with Spurs, especially without spending a fortune, can you imagine what that will do to cement his legacy as one of the truly greatest of all time? He certainly can, and that's why I am excited.

Great post, but you forgot the 15 million other reasons its a great job.

Gb160 · Nov 21, 2019

Japhet said:
Was that really Jose Mourinho in that press conference? I'm really struggling now.

I did try telling you that you'll learn to love your new Dad, but you wouldn't listen

Everlasting Seconds · Nov 21, 2019

Hercules said:
I said that Trix yesterday, and got some optimistic ratings etc. But from what I heard before his appointment, and since. He will be playing counter-press aggressive football. But! Only high press when needed.

Which, with my very narrow tactical insight, means, when successful, less game time reorganising the team and more game time recreating. And higher chance of catching the opponent off-balance before they are reorganised. For instance some high pressing under Pochettino was executed with the intention of disrupting the opponent until Tottenham was reorganised. The players (Lamela, Kane, Eriksen) would press, disturb the opponent for long enough, and then Tottenham would start defending in an reorganised defensive shape. Of course this would inherently lend time for the opponent to get reorganised too, and then both teams would start over from scratch. What you could do instead, is aim to not have to reorganise your team in the first place, and exploit more than disturb the opponent.

Shadydan · Nov 21, 2019

Japhet said:
Was that really Jose Mourinho in that press conference? I'm really struggling now.

You've only lasted 2 days, the guy hasn't even managed a match yet you big softee

dimiSpur · Nov 21, 2019

Gone are the days where you can win things by grinding out wins week after week 1-0. You need to control games, and that usually means playing football. You can win the odd game like that, especially against superior teams, but you cannot consistently win like that on a consistent basis anymore.

It's balance. You can't play amazing attacking football all the time and expect to be massively successful, unless you're 2008-12 Barcelona. Even Pep's City haven't managed to win in Europe like that. It requires some pragmatism, where necessary.

So all this Mourinho wins with boring football, IMO, is a myth. Its just that some of his biggest wins have come via a pragmatic approach, which is why he won and didn't get thumped 5-0.

pelayo59 · Nov 21, 2019

Hercules said:
I said that Trix yesterday, and got some optimistic ratings etc. But from what I heard before his appointment, and since. He will be playing counter-press aggressive football. But! Only high press when needed.

So basically like Real 11/12 when they scored 121 goal in one season, right? ?

dimiSpur · Nov 21, 2019

He's already equalled Poch's trophy haul. That's pretty impressive after only 2 days.

1882andallthat · Nov 21, 2019

Joshua said:
I think he was being sincere when he said he was happy with the squad. It’s well documented and he admitted it himself today that he’s now coaching a number of players that he was pursuing when he was at other clubs. The more time he spends with the group he’ll better understand what he needs to add but I don’t think it’s a scenario like it was at United where he need to make wholesale changes. Once the current group is re-energised and in tune with his way of thinking with the addition of maybe 2-3 quality players we’ll be competitive again.

I do agree with you that that I believe he was being sincere when he said that he was happy with the squad, but I believe he said it in the context of who we have now at this moment in time, i e. In his view with Verts Rose, Eriksen, and Toby. If he had to answer the question in terms of would he be happy without those players and no replacements if they all leave the answer may well be different, that is what I mean by this issue being parked.

mark87 · Nov 21, 2019

dimiSpur said:
He's already equalled Poch's trophy haul. That's pretty impressive after only 2 days.

The boy hoddle · Nov 21, 2019

dimiSpur said:
He's already equalled Poch's trophy haul. That's pretty impressive after only 2 days.

Gonna sure be a roller coaster coming up
Just for the pure joy of shutting people up that What have Spurs won lately!!!
Let’s hold on tight enjoy the ride and hope it’s still on the rails in 18 months?

Gilzeanking · Nov 21, 2019

Good presser , weird part tho for me was its like we have a new , lovely, girlfriend but the only snag is she's been banged
by a lot of others around...and isn't shy about how telling us great they were !

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