A game without Sissoko

[yankspurs]

My first ever thread.
I didn't realise we couldn't raise issues that were on our minds.
I thought everything I posted was absolutely valid.
Are people really that precious? Maybe I'm in the wrong place.

Dont worry about what other pople think. Keep staying your course. This place is very cult like sometimes. If they cant have an actual thoughtful discussion about it and would rather slate you, that’s on them.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I’ve just now got home from the match and all I could think the entire way was ‘god, we looked so much better without Sissoko’. I didn’t even take a moment to appreciate Eriksen’s brilliance, or reflect on a dominant display from Dembele, I just spent the entire journey repeating to myself ‘no no Sissoko, no no Sissoko, no no Sissoko’ and revelling in the fact that he didn’t start tonight. I almost forgot the score line, or who we were even playing, so happy was I at the lack of Sissoko.

Fuck Sissoko! Come On You NoSissokos!!!!

 

[lillywhites61]

Tbf this could have been in the players thread but...... the OP does have a hood point and I have to agree with him.

We played very well tonight and thoroughly deserved what was a good win against a much improved United side. I would be happy if we dont change an awful lot going into the next few games.

 

[ohh_when_the_spurs]

To be honest now we have Moura i cant see him getting many minutes but i completely agree.

Sissoko harms our attacking fluency.

The only role I can see him in would be next to dembele or dier but as a last resort.

Sorry it's not worked out here mousa just make sure you go back to France or something and dont demolish us with a 1 in 100 performance

 

[Singayid]

all power to the OP @thehipster. I like your reasoned arguments, the plus and neg. maybe a tad to eloquent for some so welcome.

Just beware etiquette - it can be a very vicious place at times - just ask @yankspurs

 

[glacierSpurs]

I think the OP needs to understand this; we are coming away from a huge victory against manure, just recorded the highest attendance for a PL game, beating the one we set previously OURSELVES less than 3-4 months ago, and paraded Moura. In the scale of time, so many positives are ignored but the Sissoko topic chose to be the talk of last night match when he only came on for last 5 minutes..TBVH, it just reeked of a wet blanket.

I am very sure many of us here are very accepting of whoever views and thoughts of the players, how likeable or detestable they are. Sissoko thread and Lamela thread have been high on that recently. Having this discussion on a spearate thread is one issue, but the larger issue is attributing our success and failure on JUST Sissoko alone. Not only is this damn unfair to this guy, it is also very unfair to the rest of the squad who contributed one way or another to failure/success of the games. They did not deserve to be let off the hook for a bad performance, neither were they deserving of not getting the credits when good games were played.

Just to make it clear, the points raised by OP are not disagreed, but simply NOT everything is because Sissoko played and we sucked; Sissoko did not play and hence we were fantastic. Come on, this is the first thing Poch would not allow to manifest.
We did not lost the match in that 5 minutes Sissoko played!

 

[bubble07]

We are close to a fully fit squad. Cant see him even making the bench

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

The only two things I'll say in response to the opening post, is that I doubt Pochettino is on a "crusade". I think winning matches and especially when you are so close to fourth, I think he would put aside sheer, reckless crusading in order to do what he believes will most likely bring results.
On a side note, it is of interest that Sissoko has never started a PL match this season in which we scored 4 or more goals, or defeated a team in the present top 4. But that may or may not simply be coincidence.

 

[Nebby]

I'm afraid the OP has missed the point entirely.

Last night's performance didn't highlight the weaknesses of Sissoko, it did the complete opposite. It proves just how valuable he is to the team and to Poch.

No Sissoko means Lamela gets rushed back to soon. No Sissoko means Wanyama gets rushed back to soon. No Sissoko means Dembele and Eriksen don't get a break every now and then. And boy did they benefit from that last night.

Our midfield is stretched, with two players still recovering after longterm injuries, Dembele needing regular rest because of his well documented hip problems and Winks now out injured too. And now we're going into squeaky bum territory.

So thank fuck for Sissoko. He plays were he's told, he keeps himself in tip-top shape, and he doesn't seem to mind his role within the squad as a supporting player. He knows that when everyone is fit, he's back on the bench or watching from the stands. And when that happens I bet he won't be giving Poch a moment of grief in training. He's a solid pro who just gets on with the job.

He may have his limitations technically, but so what. I'm sure we'd all love a Zidane in the squad, but sometimes what you actually need is a Deschamps.

 

[stewartd]

I'm afraid the OP has missed the point entirely.

Last night's performance didn't highlight the weaknesses of Sissoko, it did the complete opposite. It proves just how valuable he is to the team and to Poch.

No Sissoko means Lamela gets rushed back to soon. No Sissoko means Wanyama gets rushed back to soon. No Sissoko means Dembele and Eriksen don't get a break every now and then. And boy did they benefit from that last night.

Our midfield is stretched, with two players still recovering after longterm injuries, Dembele needing regular rest because of his well documented hip problems and Winks now out injured too. And now we're going into squeaky bum territory.

So thank fuck for Sissoko. He plays were he's told, he keeps himself in tip-top shape, and he doesn't seem to mind his role within the squad as a supporting player. He knows that when everyone is fit, he's back on the bench or watching from the stands. And when that happens I bet he won't be giving Poch a moment of grief in training. He's a solid pro who just gets on with the job.

He may have his limitations technically, but so what. I'm sure we'd all love a Zidane in the squad, but sometimes what you actually need is a Deschamps.

Sissoko = Descamps !!!! if only

 

[Hazardousman]

He got more positive ratings then negative? Is everyone who gave him a positive rating part of a cult aswell? Or just people with differing opinions?

The "just enjoy the win ffs" is because I personally support Tottenham because I enjoy it and love the club and so I can't understand people who decide to see the worst in all situations, but you're right, people can support spurs however they want and all power to OP.

Btw people didn't react badly because he criticised sissoko, you may have noticed that already happens a lot, but it was because we just won a huge game and the first thing someone decided to come out with was a dig at one of our players. But as I said each to their own, just expect people may not always react positively, I mean I got spammed with neg ratings for saying I still hold a grudge against rose, who fucking cares?

The posts following his post were utterly embarrassing and like some sort of echo chamber mentality, a forum is about debate, some people treat this place like Twitter and behave like children.

It’s like a cult on here sometimes and the irony is, the ones dishing out the hot takes and snap reactions shitting on posters like the op for making well thought out and reasonable posts are often the ones that never provide any in-depth discussion and turn out to be the biggest sensitive snowflakes posting here.

The op wasn’t seeing the worst in the situation and he wasn’t taking a “dig at the player” he made a reasonable observation about how we play worse when Sissoko is in the team and that our team performances have suffered with him in the side, something that is so painfully obvious it might as well be a slap in the face, last night was refreshing to watch, if anything the OP was so impressed with our performance that it fueled him to essentially beg for us to not play Sissoko again, a sentiment I imagine any reasonable person capabable of critical thought would be sharing in.

We need to get over this idea that the majority of people are holding grudges against Sissoko, if that’s the case then there is a LOT of people holding grudges against him because despite what some on this board want you to think, it’s not contrarian to think he isn’t good enough.

I think a lot of this has been fuelled by Poch and his recent comments and his insistence on playing him as well and his refusal to admit defeat on him, my actual gut feeling is that before long, he will also see that Sissoko is a lost cause and he will be sold.

I can’t see Sissoko getting on the pitch once we have a fully fit squad and especially now Lucas has joined, he has players ahead of him with twice the talent and who offer more to us as a team than Sissoko does.

So, in summary, the op was just trying to make a point of how we played far better as a team without Sissoko, yes it didn’t really need it’s own thread but the reactions to his post were utterly embarrassing quite frankly and just goes to show how reactionary some of the posters who are known for being “level headed” (aka vapid and incapable of individual thought) are.

 

[Spurrific]

Dont give up.It was a well written and thought out thread and anyone with a half a football brain would agree with it
You didn't slag him off in fact you pointed out his good points, unfortunately he does slow things down and even those who didnt like your post would probably agree with it.
Its not a sin to make an observation that critiques players and I would urge you to continue to give views that you feel strongly about and not worry if some people dont agree. From my own observations the majority of Spurs supporters would support your view.

It wasn't the content, it was the timing. I don't necessarily disagree with any of it, but it was unnecessary posting it whilst Marriner's whistle was still wet with his saliva.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

The posts following his post were utterly embarrassing and like some sort of echo chamber mentality, a forum is about debate, some people treat this place like Twitter and behave like children.

It’s like a cult on here sometimes and the irony is, the ones dishing out the hot takes and snap reactions shitting on posters like the op for making well thought out and reasonable posts are often the ones that never provide any in-depth discussion and turn out to be the biggest sensitive snowflakes posting here.

Well said this is. Maybe if more people tried to present the actual rational behind their own thoughts and ideas, rather than behaving as judges on others opinions, using often just a word or a phrase (or a rating) to dismiss others, maybe we all would feel a bit friendlier.

 

[RickyVilla]

Hipsters, fucking hell

FYP

 

[BringBack_leGin]

all power to the OP @thehipster. I like your reasoned arguments, the plus and neg. maybe a tad to eloquent for some so welcome.

Just beware etiquette - it can be a very vicious place at times - just ask @yankspurs

Eloquent? Really? You have low standards.

The posts following his post were utterly embarrassing and like some sort of echo chamber mentality, a forum is about debate, some people treat this place like Twitter and behave like children.

It’s like a cult on here sometimes and the irony is, the ones dishing out the hot takes and snap reactions shitting on posters like the op for making well thought out and reasonable posts are often the ones that never provide any in-depth discussion and turn out to be the biggest sensitive snowflakes posting here.

The op wasn’t seeing the worst in the situation and he wasn’t taking a “dig at the player” he made a reasonable observation about how we play worse when Sissoko is in the team and that our team performances have suffered with him in the side, something that is so painfully obvious it might as well be a slap in the face, last night was refreshing to watch, if anything the OP was so impressed with our performance that it fueled him to essentially beg for us to not play Sissoko again, a sentiment I imagine any reasonable person capabable of critical thought would be sharing in.

We need to get over this idea that the majority of people are holding grudges against Sissoko, if that’s the case then there is a LOT of people holding grudges against him because despite what some on this board want you to think, it’s not contrarian to think he isn’t good enough.

I think a lot of this has been fuelled by Poch and his recent comments and his insistence on playing him as well and his refusal to admit defeat on him, my actual gut feeling is that before long, he will also see that Sissoko is a lost cause and he will be sold.

I can’t see Sissoko getting on the pitch once we have a fully fit squad and especially now Lucas has joined, he has players ahead of him with twice the talent and who offer more to us as a team than Sissoko does.

So, in summary, the op was just trying to make a point of how we played far better as a team without Sissoko, yes it didn’t really need it’s own thread but the reactions to his post were utterly embarrassing quite frankly and just goes to show how reactionary some of the posters who are known for being “level headed” (aka vapid and incapable of individual thought) are.

Also, calling posters valid and incapable of individual thought is out of order and highly hypocritical considering how you’ve just had a massive rant against people overreacting to the OP.

Can’t you see that it isn’t disagreement in his opinion that brings him flack, it’s fhe fact that he chose what should be a very positive and dally moment to deliver hate and negativity. Had he created this thread after a loss during which Sissoko has played badly, the reaction would have been different. He could have even just made his point in the Sissoko thread. Last night people wanted to enjoy a great night having just dominated a team who not so long ago fished out two defeats a season.

It’s not intellectual or creative to use a great team performance as an opportunity to have a thinly veiled pop at a player we all already know is poor, it’s just childish, pointless and inflammatory. If you like that sort of thing, listen to Adrian Durham.

It wasn't the content, it was the timing. I don't necessarily disagree with any of it, but it was unnecessary posting it whilst Marriner's whistle was still wet with his saliva.

Good point, well made.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

@Lufti fancy making your point in writing or are you just going to childishly throw around ‘doh’ ratings?

 

[Shadydan]

@Lufti fancy making your point in writing or are you just going to childishly throw around ‘doh’ ratings?

It's Lufti so I doubt it.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

@Lufti fancy making your point in writing or are you just going to childishly throw around ‘doh’ ratings?

ner ner

 

[BringBack_leGin]

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That reminds me, I owe you guys money for the site! Coming your way later.

 

[dontcallme]

A perfectly valid subject.

As a newbie I wish we'd been more friendly to the OP.

But the Sissoko debate has been done to death and bringing up an attack on his ability after such a big win seems a little vindictive.