Alderweireld's advisor sends Spurs transfer warning

[mawspurs]

One of Toby Alderweireld's advisors has seemingly sent a warning to Spurs that the player should be allowed a transfer away from the club if a new contract is not agreed.

Read the full article at Football London

 

[sebo_sek]

Cue the panic mode...


Big clubs interested in Toby? No shit.
He still has 3 years left on his current deal, so they can take a hike. He will get a new deal, but it has to be realistic. If not, well we have replacements waiting to take over.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

Cue the panic mode...


Big clubs interested in Toby? No shit.
He still has 3 years left on his current deal, so they can take a hike. He will get a new deal, but it has to be realistic. If not, well we have replacements waiting to take over.

It needs to be the top salary. He's at least as integral as Kane. I'm my opinion, more so. We don't have replacements and we'd struggle to find another defender as good let alone one we could actually buy.

 

[Thewobbler]

Levy will sell toby next summer for big money a year before his 25m release clause is activated and then we will use sanchez at a first teamer.

 

[mackay78]

Levy will sell toby next summer for big money a year before his 25m release clause is activated and then we will use sanchez at a first teamer.

Have you got a source on that 25mn RC please? I'd not heard about that before.

 

[Bilko]

Cue the panic mode...


Big clubs interested in Toby? No shit.
He still has 3 years left on his current deal, so they can take a hike. He will get a new deal, but it has to be realistic. If not, well we have replacements waiting to take over.

Think this is the problem now.
It's clear that the new recruits are high qaulity and Toby sees the direction.
He will remain our number 1 defender for a couple more years at least, and should be paid accordingly though

 

[theShiznit]

AFAIAA He has no release clause (which I believe is partly why a new deal hasn't been agreed)

The thing is, if we insert a realistic release clause that they would want, what's to stop him leaving at the first available opportunity anyway?

If we've made him an offer of parity with Kane but he is refusing due to the lack of release clause why not let him see out his the remaining 3 years? He'll be over 31 by the end of his contract. And he won't get too many better offers then.

 

[slartibartfast]

Those new signings indicate to me Toby will be gone in Summer. Huge fkin mistake imo if that happens especially moving into our new stadium. Hope I'm wrong. Agree with other posters he should be on same money as Kane.

 

[theShiznit]

@guiltyparty what's to D'oh?

If the only thing stopping him signing a new deal is a release clause what does that tell you?

If a better offer comes he'll probably take it, also why this advisor is saying that we should agree to sell him if he doesn't get a new deal.

You would rather give him the deal he wants and risk losing him in January after someone triggers his clause?

 

[davidmatzdorf]

The release clause, such as it is (kicks in in 2019 and isn't straightforward) is in the current contract. It isn't being demanded for the new contract. THFC insist on deleting it from the new contract. That's what the wrangle is about.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

The agent might have been better-advised to play Billy Big Bollocks before we signed Sanchez and Foyth. He might even have had a bit of leverage then. Now he just sounds like a bag of wind.

Alderweireld is a wonderful defender, but he and his agent are not in as strong a position as they were a couple of weeks ago. At this stage, he might usefully tell the agent to STFU and negotiate.

 

[theShiznit]

The release clause, such as it is (kicks in in 2019 and isn't straightforward) is in the current contract. It isn't being demanded for the new contract. THFC insist on deleting it from the new contract. That's what the wrangle is about.

where did you hear that? As that's the opposite of what I've heard,

 

[spursbhoy67]

I had heard he was a target for France's richest club. I asked someone who knows him about it and was told he does not want to give up the London lifestyle, settled in the city, place to raise a family and wants to remain at Spurs.

Knows his value and knows if he stays he loses the really big pay day on offer elsewhere, so the will have to reward that 'loyalty'.

 

[sak11]

i see no problem with paying toby in line with our highest earners. He has been consistently good since he signed and deserves to be on the top rung for us. How many raises has Dele/Harry Kane had over the last couple of seasons? Toby has been as integral to our progress as any of the other players if not more so.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

where did you hear that? As that's the opposite of what I've heard,

It's all over the board and just about everywhere. For about a year. The release clause is already there and THFC want to remove it from any future contract.

The release clause kicks in in 2019, but it isn't as simple as "if someone offers the money we have to sell". I think there's an option to better the deal and retain the player.

THFC are keen to substitute an improved contract, but without the release clause, in good time before 2019.

That's the part that's publicly known.My interpretation is that the wrangle is because Levy & co. insist on deleting the release clause from any subsequent contract and the two sides disagree on the nature and value of the compensation for removing it.

The first link contains some wrong info, but here it is anyway:

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/19/arsen...he-reportedly-rejects-new-spurs-deal-6584573/

I think this is the correct version:

"...the €30m release clause (a very reasonable £25m) is pretty much worthless for the next couple of years. The defender's current deal expires in 2020, with the clause only becoming active in 2019. Essentially, it's to help protect Alderweireld leaving the club on a free."

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/toby-al...-as-more-release-clause-stories-emerge-122294

And this:

"...the clause is only active in the summer of 2019 if Tottenham take up a one year option and extend his deal to 2020. Alderweireld’s contract also states that any transfer would have to be completed at least 14 days before the closure of that summer’s transfer window."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...ew-deal-toby-alderweireld-25m-release-clause/

And finally:

"Belgium newspaper Le Soir, where the claims were first published, have since established that there is a clause - active only in the summer of 2019 if Tottenham take up an option to extend his contract by a further year to 2020.

The clause would, in theory, then be active for a period of until 14 days before the end of the summer transfer window.

The clause was inserted by Spurs to protect themselves against losing Alderweireld on a free transfer at the end of his contract - if they want to keep him at the club."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/toby-alderweireld-254m-release-clause-9404416

 

[double0]

Toby is a world class defender but ive read some shit here about he should be on the same wage as Kane.

Harry Kane....it's become easy to underestimate what we have, HK is one of the worlds most prolific strikers, who actually wins us games and inflates our goal deficits.

I'm not saying defenders ain't as important as strikers but in this case Kane, Eriksen, Alli Alderweireld, Lloris, imo is the order of importance.

 

[theShiznit]

It's all over the board and just about everywhere. For about a year. The release clause is already there and THFC want to remove it from any future contract.

The release clause kicks in in 2019, but it isn't as simple as "if someone offers the money we have to sell". I think there's an option to better the deal and retain the player.

THFC are keen to substitute an improved contract, but without the release clause, in good time before 2019.

That's the part that's publicly known.My interpretation is that the wrangle is because Levy & co. insist on deleting the release clause from any subsequent contract and the two sides disagree on the nature and value of the compensation for removing it.

The first link contains some wrong info, but here it is anyway:

http://metro.co.uk/2017/04/19/arsen...he-reportedly-rejects-new-spurs-deal-6584573/

I think this is the correct version:

"...the €30m release clause (a very reasonable £25m) is pretty much worthless for the next couple of years. The defender's current deal expires in 2020, with the clause only becoming active in 2019. Essentially, it's to help protect Alderweireld leaving the club on a free."

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/toby-al...-as-more-release-clause-stories-emerge-122294

And this:

"...the clause is only active in the summer of 2019 if Tottenham take up a one year option and extend his deal to 2020. Alderweireld’s contract also states that any transfer would have to be completed at least 14 days before the closure of that summer’s transfer window."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football...ew-deal-toby-alderweireld-25m-release-clause/

And finally:

"Belgium newspaper Le Soir, where the claims were first published, have since established that there is a clause - active only in the summer of 2019 if Tottenham take up an option to extend his contract by a further year to 2020.

The clause would, in theory, then be active for a period of until 14 days before the end of the summer transfer window.

The clause was inserted by Spurs to protect themselves against losing Alderweireld on a free transfer at the end of his contract - if they want to keep him at the club."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/toby-alderweireld-254m-release-clause-9404416

So he doesn't have a clause in his contact at present. He will have if/when we trigger a final year extension.

So I don't see how this pertains to a new contract. How do we want to remove the clause? It's a new contract so there is no clause. So surely the stumbling block is he wants to insert a release clause into the new contract.

I can't imagine they would accept the same clause anyway as if it was five years with an option for an extra one that clause would trigger after he's 33 and I doubt he'd get a massive pay day then.

Pay him what he's worth as the best defender but adding clauses is a slippery slope IMO.

 

[Jamturk]

It's mostly up to Poch innit?

 

[Chris_D]

Right now we have a very good team, well a very good group of 16 or so players we don't have the depth needed to win the league alas. Problem is we've got it on the cheap, we had to because there are a number of clubs with higher income than us. The result is there are players who could be earning more elsewhere so we need to get new deals for the players we want, like Toby, Alli and Rose. Might have to be at the expense of someone like Sissoko. It's tough keeping lots of good players happy at the same time but it's a problem we couldn't have dreamed of ten years ago.

 

[davidmatzdorf]

So he doesn't have a clause in his contact at present. He will have if/when we trigger a final year extension.

Of course it's "in the contract". It's one of the clauses in the contract or it wouldn't be enforceable. It just doesn't take effect until 2019. But it has to be a part of the contract, or it wouldn't exist. "Clause" just means "paragraph". Every paragraph in a contract is a "clause", even the ones that just say who the parties are and how long the contract runs for.

So I don't see how this pertains to a new contract. How do we want to remove the clause? It's a new contract so there is no clause. So surely the stumbling block is he wants to insert a release clause into the new contract.

I'm not sure where to start with that. Perhaps you're not familiar with contracts. THFC clearly want not to have a release clause in the new contract. It sounds very much as if Alderweireld and his agent want to leverage the existence of the clause in the current contract, so its removal produces a financial advantage or compensation That's the way it works: you lose a benefit and someone has to pay compensation for its removal.

Or (as you suggested) he wants a release clause in the new contract as well. THFC and Levy don't like them, that's well-established. I think Alderweireld knows that, so I doubt he's trying to wedge another release clause into the new contract.

...adding clauses is a slippery slope IMO.

As I said, a "clause" is just a paragraph. A contract consists of nothing but clauses, one after another.