Can we compete?

[Mullers]

Mullers come on!!! You continually flog Levy with what is your opinion. He talks about the stadium beign a game changer finicially and if he didnt believe in the academy why would he build one?

“To be one of the most successful clubs in Europe. The new stadium will be a game changer for us as it will create revenues that we can invest in the First Team and deliver success on the pitch - so that is a priority for us,” he said.
https://www.facebook.com/TottenhamHotspur/posts/10152982841878505?hc_location=ufi
If you have a successful scouting system and academy, you don't need the new stadium to be a 'game changer' to create extra revenues to buy expensive players that may or may not deliver success. He only just realised that he needs a proper scouting network last year after not having one for 7 years, give that a go first before you talk about the stadium being a 'game changer'!

As for the academy, I think it's just there to dip into from time to time, when we're desperate, when we need our home grown quota filled and to earn a couple of million here and there selling players. As I said to yesterday the transfer policy should be tied into what is coming from the academy.

[optimistic]Maybe after another 7 years, he'll get the idea. [/optimistic]

 

[Donki]

“To be one of the most successful clubs in Europe. The new stadium will be a game changer for us as it will create revenues that we can invest in the First Team and deliver success on the pitch - so that is a priority for us,” he said.
https://www.facebook.com/TottenhamHotspur/posts/10152982841878505?hc_location=ufi
If you have a successful scouting system and academy, you don't need the new stadium to be a 'game changer' to create extra revenues to buy expensive players that may or may not deliver success. He only just realised that he needs a proper scouting network last year after not having one for 7 years, give that a go first before you talk about the stadium being a 'game changer'!

As for the academy, I think it's just there to dip into from time to time, when we're desperate, when we need our home grown quota filled and to earn a couple of million here and there selling players. As I said to yesterday the transfer policy should be tied into what is coming from the academy.

[optimistic]Maybe after another 7 years, he'll get the idea. [/optimistic]

Your twisting what he is saying to suit ur agenda. Your honestly living in a fantasy land if you think that any club never mind our own can simply grow our own players or find youngsters throughout the world to develop in our academy. The thing we need to be doing is going at it from all angles and thats what I think we are now doing. Finding young foriegn talant, developing our own and where we can sign established player that will automatically improve our starting 11. Where is this world that we can pick up cheap potentially world class players and turn them round on a show string? The increase revenue will also allow us to pay higher wages which will also allow us to keep players that would have once maxed out our salary cap.

We did have a scouting network, it just wasn't really employed directly by THFC, we had Arneson, Comolli and now Baldini, these guys were employed for their contacts and knowledge of players. They have had differing success clearly.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

New stadium is a game changer on many levels. Increased revenue allows for higher transfer fees, higher wages. A big shiny stadium in London attracts players who want to play in the spotlight (and get paid higher wages). Higher revenues allow us to take more risks in the transfer market, with both young and older players.

I think Spurs are committed to growing through the Academy. But, it is very hard to compete for CL spots using only HG players. New stadium revenues makes it unlikely that Harry Kane has to be sold in the next 10 years - we will be able to afford his wages, and I think he will be one of our own as long as we want him. We will constantly look to bring through new players from the Academy because that is the connection that supporters rally around, but to win consistently, we will be looking to bring in the right talent at the right positions.

 

[Mullers]

Your twisting what he is saying to suit ur agenda. Your honestly living in a fantasy land if you think that any club never mind our own can simply grow our own players or find youngsters throughout the world to develop in our academy.

I don't understand what you are getting at. That is what academies do, that what they are there for.

The thing we need to be doing is going at it from all angles and thats what I think we are now doing. Finding young foriegn talant, developing out own and where we can sign established player that will automatically improve our starting 11. Where is this world that we can pick up cheap potentially world class players and turn them round on a show string? The increase revenue will also allow us to pay higher wages which will also allow us to keep players that would have once maxed out our salary cap.

You need a proper scouting network to do that, you need to have scouts far and wide, if you don't then you have no chance and just end up chasing Leandro Damiao for 3 seasons and breaking your wage structure for a player with known attitude problems after a whole summer of negotiations. It's Ade I'm on about for the record.

We did have a scouting network, it just wasn't really employed directly by THFC, we had Arneson, Comolli and now Baldini, these guys were employed for their contacts and knowledge of players. They have had differing success clearly.

On not buying a striker in Jan 2012:
"We all wanted one [a striker], I wanted to find one. I don’t know really, I don’t know what the reasons were; I can’t really remember why we couldn’t quite do it. I don’t know if we couldn’t quite find the striker that we was really looking for. That’s where you need a lot of help with your scouting and your recruiting. You need names then. As a manager you’re relying on people hitting you with names because you can’t be watching every game. You’re busy with your team. It’s the recruiting people who have got to be coming in and hitting you with three or four names of players who can make the difference."

http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...enough-arsenal-can-challenge-man-united-wont?

“From the outside, what I can tell you is that among the top 20 clubs in the world, in terms of wealth, Spurs are the only ones who haven’t got a scouting network.

“They are clearly understaffed in this aspect. It has become a kind of joke in the scouting community. They say, ‘have you seen a Spurs scout?’ You don’t see them. I don’t think they’ve got any.
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/comolli-tottenham’s-scouting-network-is-a-joke-around-the-world.113646/

 

[Lilbaz]

I don't understand what you are getting at. That is what academies do, that what they are there for.

You need a proper scouting network to do that, you need to have scouts far and wide, if you don't then you have no chance and just end up chasing Leandro Damiao for 3 seasons and taking and break your wage structure for a player with known attitude problems after a whole summer of negotiations. It's Ade I'm on about for the record.



http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...enough-arsenal-can-challenge-man-united-wont?

“From the outside, what I can tell you is that among the top 20 clubs in the world, in terms of wealth, Spurs are the only ones who haven’t got a scouting network.

“They are clearly understaffed in this aspect. It has become a kind of joke in the scouting community. They say, ‘have you seen a Spurs scout?’ You don’t see them. I don’t think they’ve got any.
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/comolli-tottenham’s-scouting-network-is-a-joke-around-the-world.113646/

We just signed that spanish bloke.

 

[Hoops]

On what fucking planet is £500m on a new stadium and training ground not an investment?

The fans pay for it dummy. enic have not invested a penny

 

[Lilbaz]

The fans pay for it dummy. enic have not invested a penny

Yep they just found the club on the side of the road and said "i'm having that".

Hoops, if you want a sugar daddy like the oil lot, fair enough. But that isn't and has never been enic.

 

[Donki]

I don't understand what you are getting at. That is what academies do, that what they are there for.

You need a proper scouting network to do that, you need to have scouts far and wide, if you don't then you have no chance and just end up chasing Leandro Damiao for 3 seasons and breaking your wage structure for a player with known attitude problems after a whole summer of negotiations. It's Ade I'm on about for the record.



http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features...enough-arsenal-can-challenge-man-united-wont?

“From the outside, what I can tell you is that among the top 20 clubs in the world, in terms of wealth, Spurs are the only ones who haven’t got a scouting network.

“They are clearly understaffed in this aspect. It has become a kind of joke in the scouting community. They say, ‘have you seen a Spurs scout?’ You don’t see them. I don’t think they’ve got any.
http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/comolli-tottenham’s-scouting-network-is-a-joke-around-the-world.113646/

Whats teams can solely rely on their academy? Ajax do well, United had a golden generation, you cant get a starting 11 out of one, well not one than has only been established and expect it to compete in the PL.

Like I said we didnt have a scouting network of our own but we did have emplyees that were tasked with that job.

 

[Hoops]

Yep they just found the club on the side of the road and said "i'm having that".

Hoops, if you want a sugar daddy like the oil lot, fair enough. But that isn't and has never been enic.

Typical answer when you dont know what your talking about. Sugar dady. Next youll be talking about leeds

 

[Lilbaz]

Typical answer when you dont know what your talking about. Sugar dady. Next youll be talking about leeds

Why leeds? Why not liverpool, chelsea, portsmouth, rangers, tottenham, west ham, aston villa, everton, qpr?

Owners of teams that spent money they didn't have and got fucked for it.

 

[Mullers]

Whats teams can solely rely on their academy? Ajax do well, United had a golden generation, you cant get a starting 11 out of one, well not one than has only been established and expect it to compete in the PL.

I never said we should solely rely on the academy I said we need a successful scouting network and academy. West ham, Southampton, Liverpool have all had successful academies down the years

Like I said we didnt have a scouting network of our own but we did have emplyees that were tasked with that job.

That is the point I'm making, for 7 years we had no proper scouting network

 

[Metalhead]

They borrowed £45m when Harry took over to build the squad. It was only paid off last year.

That was a pretty sustainable debt though and the terms must have been such that it wasn't necessary to pay it off too quickly. I was referring to the idea of Enic gambling Leeds style.

 

[Hoops]

Yep they just found the club on the side of the road and said "i'm having that".

Hoops, if you want a sugar daddy like the oil lot, fair enough. But that isn't and has never been enic.

Thats response just shows how clueless a lot of you are when it comes to financing. Im a Financial analyst, so I think I know a little bit about this sort of stuff.

How old are you 15?

 

[Lilbaz]

Thats response just shows how clueless a lot of you are when it comes to financing. Im a Financial analyst, so I think I know a little bit about this sort of stuff.

How old are you 15?

So how much should enic invest then?

Also counting the money you drop down the back of the sofa, does not count as "financial analyst".

 

[steve]

Wait and see, expenditure is not always an indicator of future performance as we found out (even Mourinho 'the best manager in the world' said we'd won the transfer window that season), as Liverpool found out, Man Yoo with Veron, Andersen etc., Chels with Torres, City with Robinho, the list goes on....and the window isn't shut yet.

 

[RickyVilla]

So how much should enic invest then?

Also counting the money you drop down the back of the sofa, does not count as "financial analyst".

Doesn't it? Well bang goes my ego.

 

[willy white wonka]

Lets be realistic; I think it's unlikely we're going to threaten the top 4 overnight. Hopefully we can hang on to 5th, but with Liverpool strengthening massively that's going to be difficult enough and perhaps needs to be the immediate target - if we can top them again next season then that sends out a massive message to potential transfers next summer. We know from what Levy has said that the individual transfer limit per player is £15m, presumably we might be able to add a player/cash deal, but it's unlikely that will work for the top players simply because the parent club is unlikely to want our deadwood.

We know a new stadium is coming and I think the plan is to build a squad that can seriously compete for top 4 to coincide with that momentous event. Hence we're seeing a young, hungry squad with much home grown talent growing alongside the manager, together developing a high energy, pressing brand of football that will hopefully climax in a few years time, but will still be good enough to hopefully pick up a trophy or 2 along the way. The word "project" is over used in football, but this could well be a genuine example. I think we might get 1 marque signing this summer, but expect the big money transfers to be a thing of the past. Instead with Mitchell aboard Poch will be targeting "young guns" on the rise, before they become the big money signings of the future, the whole combination looking to come good a few seasons down the line.

Then over time we'll have a settled squad every member of which understands the brand of football and his role within it. Anyone who doesn't suit or buy into the projected style will be shifted, which has already begun. Think of Spurs at the moment as a potential sleeping giant, biding it's time. We can't compete with the big boys financially so we have to do it a different way, this could be it. This could be the tempting reason for players like Lloris and Kane to show us such loyalty. Be patient guys, we can't change things overnight, financially 5th or 6th is probably the best we can expect....for now. But once we have the new stadium, and if we stick with a manager who has already given us a glimpse of what is possible, the lion will roar, or should that be the cockerel will crow, and we'll be looking down on the woolwich !

 

[thinktank]

Lets be realistic; I think it's unlikely we're going to threaten the top 4 overnight. Hopefully we can hang on to 5th, but with Liverpool strengthening massively that's going to be difficult enough and perhaps needs to be the immediate target - if we can top them again next season then that sends out a massive message to potential transfers next summer. We know from what Levy has said that the individual transfer limit per player is £15m, presumably we might be able to add a player/cash deal, but it's unlikely that will work for the top players simply because the parent club is unlikely to want our deadwood.

We know a new stadium is coming and I think the plan is to build a squad that can seriously compete for top 4 to coincide with that momentous event. Hence we're seeing a young, hungry squad with much home grown talent growing alongside the manager, together developing a high energy, pressing brand of football that will hopefully climax in a few years time, but will still be good enough to hopefully pick up a trophy or 2 along the way. The word "project" is over used in football, but this could well be a genuine example. I think we might get 1 marque signing this summer, but expect the big money transfers to be a thing of the past. Instead with Mitchell aboard Poch will be targeting "young guns" on the rise, before they become the big money signings of the future, the whole combination looking to come good a few seasons down the line.

Then over time we'll have a settled squad every member of which understands the brand of football and his role within it. Anyone who doesn't suit or buy into the projected style will be shifted, which has already begun. Think of Spurs at the moment as a potential sleeping giant, biding it's time. We can't compete with the big boys financially so we have to do it a different way, this could be it. This could be the tempting reason for players like Lloris and Kane to show us such loyalty. Be patient guys, we can't change things overnight, financially 5th or 6th is probably the best we can expect....for now. But once we have the new stadium, and if we stick with a manager who has already given us a glimpse of what is possible, the lion will roar, or should that be the cockerel will crow, and we'll be looking down on the woolwich !

Perfect.

 

[RickyVilla]

Lets be realistic; I think it's unlikely we're going to threaten the top 4 overnight. Hopefully we can hang on to 5th, but with Liverpool strengthening massively that's going to be difficult enough and perhaps needs to be the immediate target - if we can top them again next season then that sends out a massive message to potential transfers next summer. We know from what Levy has said that the individual transfer limit per player is £15m, presumably we might be able to add a player/cash deal, but it's unlikely that will work for the top players simply because the parent club is unlikely to want our deadwood.

We know a new stadium is coming and I think the plan is to build a squad that can seriously compete for top 4 to coincide with that momentous event. Hence we're seeing a young, hungry squad with much home grown talent growing alongside the manager, together developing a high energy, pressing brand of football that will hopefully climax in a few years time, but will still be good enough to hopefully pick up a trophy or 2 along the way. The word "project" is over used in football, but this could well be a genuine example. I think we might get 1 marque signing this summer, but expect the big money transfers to be a thing of the past. Instead with Mitchell aboard Poch will be targeting "young guns" on the rise, before they become the big money signings of the future, the whole combination looking to come good a few seasons down the line.

Then over time we'll have a settled squad every member of which understands the brand of football and his role within it. Anyone who doesn't suit or buy into the projected style will be shifted, which has already begun. Think of Spurs at the moment as a potential sleeping giant, biding it's time. We can't compete with the big boys financially so we have to do it a different way, this could be it. This could be the tempting reason for players like Lloris and Kane to show us such loyalty. Be patient guys, we can't change things overnight, financially 5th or 6th is probably the best we can expect....for now. But once we have the new stadium, and if we stick with a manager who has already given us a glimpse of what is possible, the lion will roar, or should that be the cockerel will crow, and we'll be looking down on the woolwich !

Quality post mate.

 

[tooey]

Thats response just shows how clueless a lot of you are when it comes to financing. Im a Financial analyst, so I think I know a little bit about this sort of stuff.

How old are you 15?

Are you? I happen to do a little bit of that myself you know. Explain to me how you have come to the conclusion you have based on the information we've so far received in the way of the stadium financing. Either you're a complete liar and know absolutely nothing about the subject or you are fucking awful at your job.