sparx100
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People with depression are not selfish.
Concern for Gazza..
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People with depression are not selfish.
Larryjanta
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Edit: Having read your other posts, it strikes me you're actually saying the disease is selfish not the person suffering? If that is the case then I agree with you and retract my broadside against you.
Although, would be good if you could clarify your words as I think they are confused and, in my initial reading, put across a point I don't think, I hope, you want to be making.
TheChosenOne
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I have depression.
Tick all the boxes.
On medication.
Not selfish - unless it is a portion of spare ribs we are talking about.
Tick all the boxes.
On medication.
Not selfish - unless it is a portion of spare ribs we are talking about.
Metalhead
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Is the addiction caused by depression or is the depression caused by addiction (as I appreciate you believe)? Looking at Wikipedia, he does seem to have issues that go back to childhood and perhaps they were never properly dealt with. I appreciate that many people have suffered and come through the other side and I'm not going to make judgements or opinions because I'm not qualified to but I'm glad I don't have to walk a mile in the shoes of anyone with depression or other mental health issues, Gazza or otherwise!
diamond lights
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Alcoholism and depression are often closely linked. I have suffered from both. Since I was able to get help and stop drinking any depression is manageable. The key, and I struggled for nearly 20 years, is to help yourself. Self pity is the killer and unless an addict decides they will quit themselves nothing will stop them until they're dead. And yes the illness does make you a selfish bastard. I'm a few months younger than Gazza and until 5 yrs ago looked the same age. I quit drinking and look at him as a daily reminder. Sad. One other thing he has always had is the spotlight. Away from this I was fortunate to keep my partner and kids - this helps as we all need to be loved.
nedley
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I'm saying selfishness can be a bi-product of depression and it is out of their control.
They don't realise it and can't stop it.
Larryjanta
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In which case, I agree with you. It's a symptom of a disease out if the control of the sufferer.
You're initial post read like you were attacking sufferers.
alamo
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Sorry mate I have to wholeheartedly disagree.
People with addictions or personality disorders can be the nicest people in the world but they are at the mercy of the said problem. It outweighs all else.
To call it selfish is just wrong.
nedley
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Apologies for not making myself clearer.
nedley
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Sorry haven't made myself clear.
He was some boy in the cup year.
Speaking from having a little experience with my mother suffering both depression and alcoholism, and I can only echo what others have said here, that with all the help in the world people in this situation will not change unless they want to change. Despite numerous interventions it's clear that Gazza is unwilling or not ready to change his ways sadly. And even with the best available help and treatment he continues his downward spiral
CosmicHotspur
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Alcohol is a depressant so someone who drinks to excess will very likely feel depressed when the effects of it wear off, as happens with many drugs. I should have made the point a little better in my last post when I said depression is a by-product of alcoholism.
Gazza has shown signs of being a manic-depressive so drinking alcohol to excess can only make the effects on mood and behaviour worse.
Gazza has shown signs of being a manic-depressive so drinking alcohol to excess can only make the effects on mood and behaviour worse.
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MyNameIsNicolaBerti
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I'm convinced he's either bipolar or his body has been so abused that he's essentially been left with sustained and chronic depression, which he finds it extremely difficult to live with - plus he's already been diagnosed with OCD. Depression can complete destroy the capacity for rational thinking and I think that's what overcomes him initially and, worse still, because he has such a high alcohol tolerance (or at least used to anyhow) once he starts drinking the depressive effect of the booze just compounds his ability to fight back against the depression.
I genuinely think Gazza has plenty of days where he wants to drop the booze once and for all. But when the depression grips he becomes too mentally weak to fight the urges to hide in the bottle, which then prompts the abusive binges. I think what he needs is sustain mental health treatment, not just what he gets when he goes into rehab.I think only then will have stand a chance. But I'm worried now that his body is already too worn out to give him the time it may take.
Not everyone is the same though, some people are stronger and more resourceful than others. If we let the weaker rot, it makes for a terrible society.
tooey
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But society hasn't let him rot, they've given him every tool possible to get better and yet he still can't get clean. I'm afraid the old saying holds true in that you really can only help somebody who's willing to help themselves, in this case he clearly isn't ever going to get better. So why waste resource's and time? Give it to somebody who has the ability to get better. Perhaps the word "rot" was slightly too emotive, what I mean is just leave the man to do whatever he wants, it's past the point of reprieve so why waste the effort.
MyNameIsNicolaBerti
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How do you know he's had the metal health treatment he needs? Are you privy to his medical records?
tooey
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No I am not, however he's a very transparent character and has openly shared his experiences with his treatment for alcoholism and depression, a very quick and lazy google search will show you just how many times he's been admitted to different clinics for his various mental and drug issues. So.......yeah.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...-admitted-US-treatment-centre-alcoholism.html
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paul-gascoigne-in-rehab-for-alcoholism-after-1586475
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...with-drink-drug-addiction-and-depression.html
aldarion
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Stopping drinking is only part of the problem. Once you have overcome the physical addiction, you still have an absolute roller coaster of emotional issues to deal with. All the years of burying your feelings in booze all come at you at once. It's like leaving the matrix. You feel like you're going to war in just a pair of flip flops. Day by day, lots of talking. Frightening disease. Good luck Gazza.
