Danny Rose New Contract

[tooey]

Crap last season, good the season before that. Nothing more to it really. I don't understand why people hate him, though I can understand him not being a fan favorite. I'd like to see how he does when he's being managed by an actual football manager though.

Turns out Poch did and is having a massive influence on not only Rose but with Walker, Vertonghen, Lamela, Kane and others...Poch really is proving how a proper manager with a proper philosophy can completely change a group of players. The AVB/Sherwood period was an absolute shambles.

 

[Matthew Wyatt]

who is the ugly man in your avatar?

From a classical art meme -- I'm afraid I don't know the artist.

 

[Amo]

It's a crop from the obverse side of The Martyrdom of Saint Lawrence by The Master of The Acts of Mercy.

Though he does bear a striking resemblance to Saint Boris of London.

 

[Matthew Wyatt]

It's a crop from the obverse side of The Martyrdom of Saint Lawrence by The Master of The Acts of Mercy.

Though he does bear a striking resemblance to Saint Boris of London.

Thanks, @Amo. How did you know that? He's clearly not happy with his job.

It's Saint Boris of Brisbane, if you please, though I was born in north London.

 

[spursfan77]

There is another Danny Rose thread from last year where most people including myself held my hands up and were thrilled with his transition. In his case I think attitude and psychology are to behind the turnaround. You could blame him or the previous managers for that, or could say that he has matured and grown.

Either way there is nothing better than being proved wrong about a player still at the club as it is for the greater good!

I agree. I really didn't think he was ever going to be able to sort out his positioning but he really has been coached well by the management. Such an improved player. Credit where credit is due. I like his attitude too.

 

[Hoops]

It's a crop from the obverse side of The Martyrdom of Saint Lawrence by The Master of The Acts of Mercy.

Though he does bear a striking resemblance to Saint Boris of London.

Why is he wearing knickers?

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Reading your comment, it occurs to me that our full-backs have probably copped more abuse than any other position, historically, or so it seems to me. Statistically it can't be because we have worse full-backs than anyone else, so is it because ... it's the hardest position to play ... mistakes are most seriously punished ... they play in the viewers' foreground (stands and cameras)? Or perhaps I'm mistaken about the abuse ... interested in your thoughts.

Regarding Rose, it's all been said. Possibly the best LB in the league and international experience will only improve him further.

It has been the case ever since I have supported Spurs, back when we had Justin Edinburgh at LB. The only LB I don't recall being heavily criticised was Christian Ziege (I suppose I could also add in Vertonghen).

Off the top of my head, we've also had Edman, Atouba, Lee Young-Pyo, Gilberto, Thatcher, Naughton and Assou-Ekotto in that time. Several of those were actually relatively decent for some of their time with us, but they were all heavily criticised at times. Although the overall trend suggests we're overly critical of our LBs, I would say there have definitely been occasions where our LB has been the weak link in our team.

It isn't entirely limited to fullbacks though. Other than a select few, our CBs have also taken a lot of flack over the years. In recent years: Fazio, Chiriches, Kaboul, Dawson, Bassong.

A case could be made that fullbacks are generally not the most talented of players. In my experiences of youth and local league football, the fullbacks are generally players who aren't good enough on the ball to play on the wing or CM, and aren't big enough / defensively good enough to play CB. It wouldn't be difficult to think of examples from the premier league where this applies. However, it could equally be argued that a fullback needs to be a very balanced player, who is effective in both attack and defence, meaning you have to be a strong player all-around.

 

[Matthew Wyatt]

A case could be made that fullbacks are generally not the most talented of players. In my experiences of youth and local league football, the fullbacks are generally players who aren't good enough on the ball to play on the wing or CM, and aren't big enough / defensively good enough to play CB.

Thanks for taking the shine off my Sunday league career -- not hard enough for CB, skilful enough for midfield nor quick enough for winger or striker, I was shunted out to full-back where I suppose they thought I could do the least harm. Perhaps that's the background of pro full-backs too, and they just made the most of it. One thing about full-backs is they're not lazy, although I was also lazy.

 

[neilp]

Why is he wearing knickers?

Because if he wasn't wearing knickers you would be able to see his willy.

 

[C0YS]

It has been the case ever since I have supported Spurs, back when we had Justin Edinburgh at LB. The only LB I don't recall being heavily criticised was Christian Ziege (I suppose I could also add in Vertonghen).

Off the top of my head, we've also had Edman, Atouba, Lee Young-Pyo, Gilberto, Thatcher, Naughton and Assou-Ekotto in that time. Several of those were actually relatively decent for some of their time with us, but they were all heavily criticised at times. Although the overall trend suggests we're overly critical of our LBs, I would say there have definitely been occasions where our LB has been the weak link in our team.

It isn't entirely limited to fullbacks though. Other than a select few, our CBs have also taken a lot of flack over the years. In recent years: Fazio, Chiriches, Kaboul, Dawson, Bassong.

A case could be made that fullbacks are generally not the most talented of players. In my experiences of youth and local league football, the fullbacks are generally players who aren't good enough on the ball to play on the wing or CM, and aren't big enough / defensively good enough to play CB. It wouldn't be difficult to think of examples from the premier league where this applies. However, it could equally be argued that a fullback needs to be a very balanced player, who is effective in both attack and defence, meaning you have to be a strong player all-around.

I'm not sure about that, maybe in the past, (though, its worth pointing out some of the best players in the past have been fullbacks Maldini, Roberto Carlos etc.) but in the last few years fullback has become an increasingly important position. I mean they now are expected to do a similar job as wingers and also be solid in defence. They are now often the 'free man' and therefore often take more touches than any other player on the pitch. This makes them a lot more visible in recent times as well as making it a position that becomes crucial in how you build attacks.


I think the fullback position is an easy one to criticise. Its a position that it is easy to be decent at but hard to master. Your expected to attack and defend well, often defending against the quickest players on the field in a position where you find yourself very isolated. I think there are onlly a handful of fullback in the modern game who doesn't have considerable weaknesses in some part of their game. I suspect this is more to do with the diverse demands neccessery for the position, than that they just tend to be less talented players.
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Most positions in football have a clear enough role, attackers generally aim to score and create, defenders generally aim to stop these chances. Ofcourse its more fluid than this put its a good enough aproximation. Fullbacks and central midfielders have a role that is much more complex. Central Midfielders though tend to be more specialist and are given the liberty to have a more diverse set of abilities. This is because they are alowed, and infact it is expected, that they will make countless mistakes during the course of the game. A mistake by a fullback will normally lead to a goalscoring chance or a free kick, a midfielder makes a mistake they normally have a partner that can cover them and central defenders behind them. A fullbacks mistakes become more visable.

 

[tony_parkes]

I backed Danny from day, even when the lad was taking pellets from our fans two years ago. You could see he had massive potential, it just needed channeling.

Please can you let me know which of our fans shot him with a pellet gun? That is bang out of order.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Suprisingly we were quite gentle compared to Twitter and Facebook at the time

 

[Shadydan]

This wasn't the only thread, there were about 3 others

 

[Amo]

Thanks, @Amo. How did you know that? He's clearly not happy with his job.

It's Saint Boris of Brisbane, if you please, though I was born in north London.

I meant Boris Johnson!

I had no idea your username was Boris until i read this reply

 

[Romulus]

awful news... seriously need better to compete with davies

bloody hell. no wonder he's angry

 

[double0]

Really some of our supporters in the past have been dreadful towards our own players...Walker got it continually up to when he left questioning his abilities and all sorts, Rose in his earlier days got it bad, Darren Bent I just felt for him, Sol after he left (yes it was awful how he left) some of the things said was just unacceptable and really shameful regardless. Ledley Kings signature song is pretty poor. Zokora, Bentoit Assou-Ekotto were treated imo shamefully too.



Naymer left Barcelona for PSG! lets think about that, so that says it all, money is the king..so lets not be fooled if clubs are willing to pay and we ain't willing to match or improve terms we are going to have these problems its going the be the big white elephant in the room, we might be luck with same who are generally connected to the club however many will use the reasoning of highly ambitious in terms of medal trophies etc.

 

[coys200]

First few pages are an astonishing read,really amazing from completely useless to England's No 1 and valued at £60m

 

[coys200]

Imagine if this is sissoko in 2 years haha.

 

[double0]

Imagine if this is sissoko in 2 years haha.

Sissoko is another easy target it wasn't his fault we paid 30 M tbh I don't feel his been as bad as people make out but there you go....having cake and eating it i suppose.

 

[coys200]

Sissoko is another easy target it wasn't his fault we paid 30 M tbh I don't feel his been as bad as people make out but there you go....having cake and eating it i suppose.

The funny thing is ,if he turned into a fantastic RWB you wouldn't be that surprised.He certainly has the physical attributes.